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It might be cheaper and better for the budget of the park if they just tore down Gwazi and went the route of building a RMC ibox original. "Iron Lion" would fit just fine since this is after all an African themed park. The Tiger theme always seemed a bit out of place.

 

As much as BGT is an "Africa"-themed park, it has a bunch of stuff that isn't African. I'm sure there are more, but the whole Jungala section isn't African (orangutans & tigers), plus you have the kangaroos & alligators, and then the elephants they have are Asian elephants--not African.

 

Yea i've been there and noticed it while I was there. I hate to nitpick, live animals are one thing. Theming is another.

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Apparently you all ignored me. There is absolutely no way BGT will dish out that much money to fund a deteriorating coaster. I like the ideas, but let's get real here.

I'm with you on this one. I think the park is aware at this point that that coaster is going down hill. I imagine the only reason they're keeping it around is because ITS A ROLLER COASTER. The GP will still ride it, and coaster enthusiasts who are looking for the credit will ride it. I think thats why its getting hour waits(as mentioned previously in this forum). But at some point, within a few years, I'm sure the park will announce its removal. I'm sure the park staff have already been discussing whether or not they should tear it out.

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Apparently you all ignored me. There is absolutely no way BGT will dish out that much money to fund a deteriorating coaster. I like the ideas, but let's get real here.

Literally no one kept the idea of putting topper track on Gwazi.

Literally NO ONE.

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As much as BGT is an "Africa"-themed park, it has a bunch of stuff that isn't African. I'm sure there are more, but the whole Jungala section isn't African (orangutans & tigers), plus you have the kangaroos & alligators, and then the elephants they have are Asian elephants--not African.

 

Pantopia is another prime example, as is Walkabout Way.

 

I spoke with Brian Morrow (Creative Director for SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment) about this earlier this year. He explained you'll see less and less emphasis on purely African theming moving forward, with more of a focus on world exploration, travel, and conservation as new attractions are added and areas are re-themed. It began with Jungala, and continues with Pantopia.

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As much as BGT is an "Africa"-themed park, it has a bunch of stuff that isn't African. I'm sure there are more, but the whole Jungala section isn't African (orangutans & tigers), plus you have the kangaroos & alligators, and then the elephants they have are Asian elephants--not African.

 

Pantopia is another prime example, as is Walkabout Way.

 

I spoke with Brian Morrow (Creative Director for SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment) about this earlier this year. He explained you'll see less and less emphasis on purely African theming moving forward, with more of a focus on world exploration, travel, and conservation as new attractions are added and areas are re-themed. It began with Jungala, and continues with Pantopia.

 

I don't like this. I really wish Busch Gardens would stick with an African theme. I didn't get the overhaul with Pantopia and I guess it makes sense now. Ugh.

 

What I think Busch Gardens needs is a complete redo of the Rhino Ralley to have a great adventure/storyline. Also, I feel like they need a new dark ride...not like Antarctica. They need one that is very good to draw attention to it.

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Apparently you all ignored me. There is absolutely no way BGT will dish out that much money to fund a deteriorating coaster. I like the ideas, but let's get real here.

I'm with you on this one. I think the park is aware at this point that that coaster is going down hill. I imagine the only reason they're keeping it around is because ITS A ROLLER COASTER. The GP will still ride it, and coaster enthusiasts who are looking for the credit will ride it. I think thats why its getting hour waits(as mentioned previously in this forum). But at some point, within a few years, I'm sure the park will announce its removal. I'm sure the park staff have already been discussing whether or not they should tear it out.

 

The only reason they're keeping it around for right now is because they have other projects to do first. They aren't going to spend money on demolishing gwazi and designing a new coaster while they are still building falcon's fury.

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Apparently you all ignored me. There is absolutely no way BGT will dish out that much money to fund a deteriorating coaster. I like the ideas, but let's get real here.

 

Unless you're sitting in the board meetings where they've discussed their plans for Gwazi, how do you know for sure? Speculation is fine but there is no reason to accuse others of blatantly ignoring you.

 

Has Busch Gardens ever had to replace any parts of the Gwazi structure besides the track? To claim that the coaster itself is deteriorating is too broad a generalization. Sure the track is beat up and warped from years of PTC train abuse but do we have any confirmed way of knowing that the rest of the structure isn't viable enough to be re-utilized?

 

Do I believe that Gwazi will be saved? No. Do I know with certainty what Busch Gardens has in store for that plot of land. I don't know of anyone that does. We're free to speculate but until Busch Gardens announces something or we see a wrecking ball take down the structure, I'd imagine nothing is officially off of the table.

 

Remember when everyone was 100% certain that Cheetah Hunt was going to be called Cheetaka and the concept art files even were titled as such? The ride was announced with a totally different name and everyone that was 100% sure was proven 100% wrong. Let's take this a lesson and wait and see what happens--friendly speculation is welcome.

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^^His wording was a bit rude.

 

We'll never know what BG has planned for the ride. We all know what Gwazi could potentially be, but it may not fit the financial plan of the park. Also, no other parks have attempted Iron-Horse rehab outside of Six Flags, so I don't see that happening here. I do see a possible RMC topper re-track and wouldn't be surprised if it was completely removed either.

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The only reason *Ahem* that I was rude was because people were piling the same crap about Gwazi that had been reiterated and regurgitated many times.

 

Am I on the board? Certainly not.

 

But I'm more a factual analytical person, and by perceiving the obvious, Gwazi is indeed done for.

 

You want insight on deteriorating? Look at the Tiger side with the rusty chain and missing parts.It's ruined. You can't get more "deteriorating" than that.

 

And by my analytical insightful speculation, Gwazi most likely will never reestablish it's former glory as the dueling woodie as we knew it as. Topper Track or Iron Horse would only be a cover-up, until the wooden structure finally gives in.

 

Even though the ideas are okay, Trust me; based on statistics and BGT trends, Gwazi is going into the ground or getting sent elsewhere.

 

(I do apologize if I've offended anybody)

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The only reason *Ahem* that I was rude was because people were piling the same crap about Gwazi that had been reiterated and regurgitated many times.

 

Am I on the board? Certainly not.

 

But I'm more a factual analytical person, and by perceiving the obvious, Gwazi is indeed done for.

 

You want insight on deteriorating? Look at the Tiger side with the rusty chain and missing parts.It's ruined. You can't get more "deteriorating" than that.

 

And by my analytical insightful speculation, Gwazi most likely will never reestablish it's former glory as the dueling woodie as we knew it as. Topper Track or Iron Horse would only be a cover-up, until the wooden structure finally gives in.

 

Even though the ideas are okay, Trust me; based on statistics and BGT trends, Gwazi is going into the ground or getting sent elsewhere.

 

(I do apologize if I've offended anybody)

 

Do not, like do not apologize at all for anything you said, your wording was nothing to bark or complain about. Some people on this forum are simply far too sensitive when it doesn't go with their ideas or thought process.

 

Although I don't think Gwazi's fate is decided entirely yet, I do believe BGT has a plan put forth that will maximize the potential of this situation in the next 2 years. I think they've been keeping an eye on a few parks lately, and are just about ready to dish their best in the next few years. It's the coaster capital for a reason, and I'm sure they intend on keeping that title for as long as they can.

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I'm only speaking for myself but I'm not offended. We're all passionate about theme parks and have our own opinions.

 

A rusted lift chain and missing parts doesn't mean it's done. Anything that sits in Florida for a few days will rust in all the moisture. That chain is repairable/replaceable along with most of the ride. It all comes down to what BGT wants to put into it. I haven't looked at any of the structure to see if it's damaged and don't think I could get close enough to actually tell if the wood has rotted, but I'll take a look next time I go if it ever stops raining.

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Put me in the "Gwazi is cooked" camp. One side is completely closed, efforts to save the coaster with new trains were mixed, and it's still a terrible design for a ride that is quite rough even with new trains. And the way it's been managed doesn't indicate that the park is happy with what they have there.

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Put me in the "Gwazi is cooked" camp. One side is completely closed, efforts to save the coaster with new trains were mixed, and it's still a terrible design for a ride that is quite rough even with new trains. And the way it's been managed doesn't indicate that the park is happy with what they have there.

 

Unfortunately, the design and interest for a dueling GCI has long since bit the dust. RMC is in now.

 

But back to 2015/2016 coaster- I would love a wing or a giga down in Florida, as long as it's Busch Gardens quality and not a S&S launch (BGW).

 

Another idea for BGT is a Splash battle. It's fun for all ages and creates long lines.

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Put me in the "Gwazi is cooked" camp. One side is completely closed, efforts to save the coaster with new trains were mixed, and it's still a terrible design for a ride that is quite rough even with new trains. And the way it's been managed doesn't indicate that the park is happy with what they have there.

 

The sucky thing is that a quality wooden coaster is really what the park needs to have (keep) its rounded coaster lineup. Think about it--how many major coaster parks do you know of that don't have a single wooden roller coaster but have 7+ steel coasters? And a huge number of parks have multiple wooden coasters for that many steel ones. The biggest park I can think of without a wooden coaster is BGW with 6 steel coasters. (I'm not counting SFFT or SFM here, even though IRAT & Medusa are technically hybrid coasters, and for the same reason I wouldn't mind if Gwazi got the Iron Horse treatment).

 

 

Once you get beyond all that, though, the next major deficiency in BGT's lineup is the airtime hyper, but I have absolutely no idea where on earth you'd put one.

 

While it'd be really cool to run out along/through the Serengeti plain, there are a few major challenges with doing that 1) I don't know how the animals would react to a coaster that close to them, 2) I don't know how they'd be able to effectively do construction through a populated animal area, and 3) I don't know where they could put the station that would make sense.

 

Jungala is really the only major section of the park without a coaster, and I think they could probably expand to the north but I'm still not sure how they'd do it to make it make the most sense for a hyper.

 

 

I really can't see them putting in any other type of coaster in the next 3-5 years except maybe if they did a Gatekeeper and re-did the entrance with a wing coaster.

 

Highly doubt we'd see a stand-up or flying coaster from B&M. If they did anything else from Intamin, I'd think they'd go big & intense, but that hasn't really been their MO. I don't see an El Loco or a Eurofighter being the right fit for the park either.

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Here's some video I took of Falcon's Fury testing this past Wednesday. Notice how the seats now begin tilting before the car reaches the top.

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Also, there's not much time left to catch the Summer Nights show, "Kinetix." It's a great show with a live band, singers, dancers, crazy acrobatics, and a fireworks finale!

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If I could ask for anything at Busch Gardens Tampa...It would be the gradual relocation and elimination of the central employee backstage area, filling in the space with Animal exhibits, future rides, and re purposing at least one building into a dark ride and maybe an indoor "African bazaar"

 

I personally think BGT and BGW are the crown Jewels of the modern American regional park, but the awkward layout of BGT is something I notice every time I'm there.

 

And if that ain't happening in a million years...One Interactive Dark Ride please.

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I think Busch will hope off the Intamin train for a little bit since this endeavor that is Falcon's Fury. They just did a launch coaster so I can't see a launched B&M anything going there either. Maybe Busch will throw us for a loop an go for something completely new like a Mack or Morgan Mega-Lite. Lightening Run has gotten great reception as well as Alpine Blitz.

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I think Busch will hope off the Intamin train for a little bit since this endeavor that is Falcon's Fury. They just did a launch coaster so I can't see a launched B&M anything going there either. Maybe Busch will throw us for a loop an go for something completely new like a Mack or Morgan Mega-Lite. Lightening Run has gotten great reception as well as Alpine Blitz.

I dont think Busch has really been on the Intamin train. They only have two intamin rides (FF, Cheetah Hunt) and BGW has none whatsoever. Plus FF is the only one having major issues.

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