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Sheesh, I guess Busch can't catch a break with their drop towers. How long did it take them to get Mach Tower up and running?

 

You're right about that. I believe it took Mach Tower 2 years (2012-2014) to be completely operational but don't quote me. I was able to ride in 2012, but can't remember if it was during Howl-O-Scream or Christmas Town. It was closed in July of 2013 when I went.

 

I got bored and stopped the park for a few hours yesterday evening after the storm. The paint on the tower looks great! It would be nice to see it go past 130 ft, but the bottom half adds the small...or in this case large detail you'd expect from BG.

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A new coaster isn't coming next year. Expect new shows, new family rides, or new family rides. However, I would expect a brand new woodie in 2016 or possibly that giga. But I'm counting on Gwazi leaving by the end of 2015.

 

I would be surprised (shocked!) if Gwazi was replaced with another Woodie.

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Actually, Gwazi gets a 2 year grace period because FF didn't open on time, so it probably won't leave until Late 2016/Early 2017.

 

Think about it guys, this new coaster is not related to Gwazi removal. We could be seeing two new coasters within the next 3 years.

 

2015/2016- Gigacoaster?

 

2016/2017- Gwazi removal/New Coaster

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Actually, Gwazi gets a 2 year grace period because FF didn't open on time, so it probably won't leave until Late 2016/Early 2017.

 

Think about it guys, this new coaster is not related to Gwazi removal. We could be seeing two new coasters within the next 3 years.

 

2015/2016- Gigacoaster?

 

2016/2017- Gwazi removal/New Coaster

You have to think about this financially too. Two world class coasters (if Gwazi is replaced with RMC or Intamin woodie) within 3 years is a HUGE investment.

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I really hope/wish that Gwazi gets a makeover/refurbish. It is such a great looking ride that should be amazing and ]would be if it didn't try to knock your brains out through your ears. It would be great to see it just retrofitted with topper track, or to have a RMC makeover. It seems like such a waste to tear it down. Every time I ride it I am just irritated that it has gotten into the condition that it is in.

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I agree. RMC topper would make me happy enough. I wouldn't expect to see an Iron Horse reprofile on this ride because of the cost. There's also no way we'll see 2 coasters added in 3 years. Just the cost to remove Gwazi eliminates that scenario. Gwazi may get a makeover, but I don't expect to see anything else major until 2016 depending on how far they go with Gwazi.

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I think a unique hyper like SkyRush would fit in the park nicely. If Gwazi does get removed I think a Intamin Mega-Lite or maybe even a B&M Mega-Lite could fill that space likely. Also, for the record, did Intamin just give up on their Wing-Rider design after Furious Baco?

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There's that one U coaster in china (I think it was china) that seemed to improve on the design a little bit, so who knows.

Yeah but I wonder if that was only for that special case with the seats facing both ways. Still, just the fact that it has lapbars would make roughness a smaller problem (although those looks just like skyrush's terrible restraints)

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^I don't think they ever abandoned it as a failure, especially given that FB has decent reviews despite its roughness, but probably there weren't' many parks interested in that model. Doesn't intamin consider skyrush a wing coaster?

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Anyway, I'm not entirely sure what to expect for 2015/2016, but I'm sure BGT is way ahead of us and has it all planned.

 

One thing for sure is that they will probably never go with Intamin after Falcons Fury or Cheetah Hunt's malfunctions.

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I'm pretty sure Skyrush is an Intamin Mega-Lite, not a wing rider.

 

Per Wikipedia, "Skyrush is an Intamin prototype Wing Coaster with winged seating", whereas Furius Baco is listed as an "Accelerator Coaster" but its seating "arrangement has now been commonly dubbed as 'wing rider' trains."

 

Per the Intamin website, however, Furius Baco is shown as a "Wing Rider Coaster"; Skyrush is shown as a "Wing Coaster".

 

 

For what it's worth, though, I highly doubt Busch Gardens would get either.

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I have a feeling that Busch Gardens doesn't want to deal with wooden coasters anymore. They let Gwazi go in horrible condition when they could've retracked.

 

I'm willing to bet that the park had no idea quite how expensive it would be to properly maintain 2 wooden coasters that operate year-round. From what I can remember from my coaster experience tour last year, they really aren't sufficiently staffed to handle the one side of Gwazi that's still operating, much less both. And then you have to factor in the extensive damage that the PTC trains did that really isn't going to be fixed without essentially a complete retracking.

 

What sucks is that a large wooden coaster (or pair of them) is actually a perfect fit for the park's coaster lineup. Even as bad as it is, I still see the lines for Gwazi hit 60min quite a bit (though a lot of that has to do with slow dispatches and the 25% of capacity reserved for Quick Queue).

 

And as much as I'd love to see Iron Gwazi, I think a complete retrack with Topper Track would be the better solution for the ride lineup.

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One thing is for sure, we can all agree that something needs to be done with Gwazi in the upcoming years. The decision that makes sense is that the park management will do whatever is the most cost efficient. If they do nothing and let it sit with one side operating while adding a new coaster it isn't the end of the world, things could be worse.

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I doubt that any park would be able to do the amount of upkeep needed to keep a ride like Gwazi running at top form year round in one of the most hostile climates around.

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As I said earlier, while it is a Multi-Million dollar theme park, Busch Gardens has a budget. While great for us coaster enthusiasts, an Intamin Mega-Lite won't really impress the GP, but a dueling RMC wooden coaster with a one train upside down/one train right side up high five element will. The GP to coaster enthusiast ratio is about 99% to 1%, so I think a Mega Lite would be pretty much out of the question, unless Busch Gardens really wants to lose money.

Plus, a dueling RMC would be amazing.

(plus a high five element like that would be amazing)

(please consider this idea RMC)

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^An upside down high-five element would be tricky because as one train would be higher up than the other it would be going slower. However I suppose that could be solved by having one train go faster than the other before hitting the element.

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It might be cheaper and better for the budget of the park if they just tore down Gwazi and went the route of building a RMC ibox original. "Iron Lion" would fit just fine since this is after all an African themed park. The Tiger theme always seemed a bit out of place.

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It might be cheaper and better for the budget of the park if they just tore down Gwazi and went the route of building a RMC ibox original. "Iron Lion" would fit just fine since this is after all an African themed park. The Tiger theme always seemed a bit out of place.

 

As much as BGT is an "Africa"-themed park, it has a bunch of stuff that isn't African. I'm sure there are more, but the whole Jungala section isn't African (orangutans & tigers), plus you have the kangaroos & alligators, and then the elephants they have are Asian elephants--not African.

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