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The question remains though - if Joris is 42" and it has the same trains, then isn't GCI off the hook here and all the blame should go to the parks? I'm assuming they have a minimum spec for their train design, and that Joris meets it...

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The question remains though - if Joris is 42" and it has the same trains, then isn't GCI off the hook here and all the blame should go to the parks? I'm assuming they have a minimum spec for their train design, and that Joris meets it...

I'm going to guess that Efteling worked with GCI to come up with a solution to make that ride 42" since every other GCI out there is either 46" or 48" and that's why I said, it's up to the parks to work things out with the ride manufacturer.

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Is this a problem at BGT too? I used to live in Tampa when I was five and could ride Scorpion ( Scorpion) but nothing else, and I was pretty tall. I know really tall five year olds still can't ride like Kumba or Montu but I'm just curious.

Well, it's not uncommon for a five year old not to be able to ride Kumba or Montu since those rides are 54" and our daughter, who is ten years old, is still not tall enough to ride them.

 

It is an issue at BGT where they have more 54" rides than they do for younger kids, but it's not as bad as BGW. The Tampa park at least offers 1 "kiddie" coaster at 38", two full-sized coasters at 42" (Scorpion and Cobra's Curse), the Wild Mouse is 46", Cheetah Hunt is 48" and everything else is 54". It's a *little* more balanced than BGW, but I still feel like BGT could probably use one or two more 42" or 48" big rides to really balance out the mix. But they are most certainly on their way!

 

Though I've unfortunately yet to experience BGW, I'd say BGT is worse.

You're statement is 100% completely wrong. See what I posted above. Please don't make posts to our forum if you don't know what you're talking about. Thank you.

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Couldn't help but get curious about this. It's potentially state regulation (and insurance) related. Virginia doesn't play around with some things.

 

There is no explanation, IMO, only poor excuses.

That would fall under the "poor excuses" category. I do not believe this is a "Virginia thing" I believe it's a park and/or ride manufacturer issue.

 

I also don't think that quoting a bunch of ride restrictions makes you an "expert" on Virginia stage regulation and insurance, am I right?

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So, Virginia is the outlier. Location, location, location.

Did you bother to do any research on this? It took me about 90 seconds to find these two documents:

 

http://www.dhcd.virginia.gov/images/SBC/CodeBooks/2012%20Virginia%20Amusement%20Device%20Regulations.pdf

 

http://www.dhcd.virginia.gov/images/SBC/Virginia%20Amusement%20Device%20Regulations%20%28VADR%29%20FAQs.pdf

 

and I did not find any reference at all to a rider needing to be 46" in the state of Virginia to ride a medium-sized wooden roller coaster. I admit I am not an expert on this either, but I at least took the time to search to see if there was any actual regulations beyond just looking at parks websites, regurgitating height restrictions text, and pretending to be a know-it all on the subject.

 

Please. If you're not willing to fact check something, don't post to our forums. Thank you.

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People argued that California banned lap-bar only inverting coasters at the same time that Montezooma's Revenge was operating daily at Knotts. That's all I'm sayin.

Yep. This also came to mind as well. If there is one thing I've learned over the decades of working with the amusement industry is that most parks could in fact find a solution for something if they wanted to, but usually will just give you an "excuse" for the things they don't to satisfy a justification for a decision.

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I also don't think that quoting a bunch of ride restrictions makes you an "expert" on Virginia stage regulation and insurance, am I right?

 

Ha! Yes, you're right. I was guessing. Finding that big difference in VA versus all the others seemed like something that could relate. The different height requirements, not just here but internationally like with Joris, are really interesting.

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Couldn't help but get curious about this. It's potentially state regulation (and insurance) related. Virginia doesn't play around with some things.

 

46" Invadr

 

Now compare height requirements for the same coaster ...

 

Virginia = 46" Woodstock Express (Kings Dominion)

Carolinas = 40" Woodstock Express (Carowinds)

Ohio = 40" Woodstock Express (Kings Island)

Canada = 40" Ghoster Coaster (Canada's Wonderland)

Note: Riders between 40" and 46" must be accompanied by a Supervising Companion

 

So, Virginia is the outlier. Location, location, location.

Nope, Woodstock Express at Kings Dominion is 40" supervised, 46" unsupervised. Source: https://www.kingsdominion.com/help/height-safety

 

I was there just today and saw a kid with a 40" wrist band with a parent in line.

 

As for InvadR itself, I liked it. It packed just enough of a punch for a family "first big" coaster (height restriction aside). The first drop was much more intense than I expected, back seat at night (my only ride).

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The base trains aren't designed for someone under 46 inches, I'm thinking it's that simple... sure you could do some work arounds here and there but BGW didn't want Mini Millennium Flyers and you can only get so low with Gwazi's trains. The park and GCI could probably lower it to 44 inches or lower if they wanted to, but it's way better to stay on the safe side and have a kid wait a year before they can ride InvadR

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The base trains aren't designed for someone under 46 inches, I'm thinking it's that simple.
There is no explanation, IMO, only poor excuses.

That would fall under the "poor excuses" category. Joris en de Draak uses the same base trains and that ride has a height restriction of 42"

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The more recent POV's of InvadR seem to have some trees that weren't there in the beginning. I don't know if I just wasn't watching closely at first, but it looks like in the TPR and Coasterforce POV's the first turn after the drop and the turnaround have trees that weren't there in the official POV. Does anybody know if they're planting trees around the ride? Is it even possible to plant fully grown trees? It seems like there should be some more landscaping and I trust BGW to do it right.

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From one of the POV's we shot during media day you can definitely see a fair bit of new grass and trees coming in. I feel that over the next year or two the views on this ride will add even more to the experience. Like you said, it's BGW so they are gonna do it right when it comes to landscaping.

 

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Is it even possible to plant fully grown trees?

I'm not sure why I found this post sort of funny, but yes, it is very very common to plant fully grown trees as part of landscaping.

Planting-Palm-Trees.jpg

 

Thats funny since I live in Vegas and casinos plant fully grown palm trees all the time. (I guess some people aren't used to seeing that I guess).

 

 

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No, they actually did plant a couple of new trees. Look back at Chuck's last update before media day and you can see several photos where small have been planted.

 

I see deciduous trees getting relocated all the time here in TN. In fact, there is a nursery and several of those tree-transplanting trucks stationed about two miles from my house. I never knew that the palm trees have such blocky soil bases when they get relocated, though. It looks so weird all perfectly geometric like that!

 

Is it even possible to plant fully grown trees? It seems like there should be some more landscaping and I trust BGW to do it right.

The million dollar question to me is how tall/mature of a tree can you possibly relocate? I guess an answer to that would also partly answer your question depending on what you meant by "fully grown trees", i.e. how big of a tree species are we talking about?

 

EDIT: Guinness World records list the largest tree ever transplanted, but I would think this was a kind of one-off project. It doesn't look like it was a cheap service lol.

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Is it even possible to plant fully grown trees?

I'm not sure why I found this post sort of funny, but yes, it is very very common to plant fully grown trees as part of landscaping.

Planting-Palm-Trees.jpg

 

Yeah I don't know too much about landscaping and the ins and outs of the theme park business. I just really love roller coasters

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