Vonni Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I think the trains will give more of a "flying" sensation as well! I'm really excited to experience them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 ^That's what would make the most sense anyway, since I'm pretty sure this statement: The park creates the ideas, the company makes it happen. is about 80% untrue. The ride manufacturer develops a product, the park buys it. It's unlikely the new restraints were KI's idea since they're not in the business of designing roller coasters, B&M is. I would argue that the park does create the ideas. If coaster manufacturers were like, "here's the ride that we're going to build for you, deal with it", they wouldn't be selling any rides. Kings Island wanted certain things out of Banshee, and I bet my box of fruit snacks that Kings Island wouldn't have signed the contract if their requests hadn't been met by B&M. Another thing, if the park didn't create the ideas, why do rides like Big Grizzly Mountain or Expedition Everest exist? Yes, they are Disney attractions so you sort of expect that, but ride design is ALWAYS a collaboration between park and manufacturer. I can't think of any exceptions. EDIT: Black Mamba and Nemesis are also two really great examples. Unfortunately, don't think we'll see these new style of trains being retrofitted on the old B&M inverts, mainly because of clearance. Adding what could very well be a good 2 feet in width to the trains would cause a few clearances, mainly on lifts. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajfelice Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 From what I deducted from many conversations with coaster manufacturers this fall, the exacts of a coaster layout are not usually specified by a park. There are a few exceptions with places like Disney and related parks. However, according to most manufacturers, most amusement parks specify the kind of ride they want and give the manufacturer a parcel of land to work with. Sometimes a park will be particular about things such as lift position, transfer sections, and ride entrance position but the general consensus is that a coaster's layout is in the minds of the engineers and based on budget allowed. As for the trains, I'm pretty sure B&M gave KI the proposal for the new design and KI approved (honestly who wouldn't in this case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmicha Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Yeah, the new trains aren't specifically a product just for Kings Island and as such it is likely that B&M designed these new trains prior to Banshee and Banshee just happens to be the first inverted coaster they've sold since the new train design was finished. I'd love to sit in on design meetings with amusement parks. I'm an architect and can imagine there are a lot of similarities depending on the client. Some clients have a list of things they want incorporated and you do your best to create a product that satisfies these wishes. Some clients come in knowing they want a house and how much money they have to spend but beyond that it is up to us completely. I'd imagine theme parks such as Disney and Universal obviously work extremely close with manufacturers since they have their own concepts they need to be implemented whereas a park like Kings Island might just know they want a big inverted coaster but don't have any specifics beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. M Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I would assume it totally depends on the park. KI would not be nearly as intimately involved in the design of a ride as Disney would be. For the record, even if they're "fixed" (which I'll believe it once the ride is open, not before) I'm not sold on the idea of these restraints as a concept. I much prefer Intamin's design on rides like Storm Runner, where the OTSR basically don't touch your body at all, to a big heavy vest that covers most of your abdomen. Why is that even necessary? I assumed on the wing coasters it was to make riders feel secure during the wing over drop, but on this ride it just seems excessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ape Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hmm Kings island instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) Most likely B&M will re-design their whole line up of trains in the near future, can't wait to se how it turns out! Edited January 14, 2014 by _koppen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The loop is done, and it is looking good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyRush Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 It looks......small? Maybe just the view-point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ape Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Nothing about this ride is small. Look at the other camera angle or pictures that have a person standing at the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveStL Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 It looks......small? Maybe just the view-point ha ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillrider Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Insert the "That's what she said" jokes here... Anyway, this coaster is looking great. Looks like track work should be done in less than a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarheel1231 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Look how small this man is on the webcam: I've said it before and I'll say it again, that thing is HUGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koasterking48 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 That smaller loop is probably the average size of many inverted coaster's' first loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 It does look rounder than their older ones, though. A bit like Phaethon in Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidW Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) One support and two pieces of track installed today Full res album: http://www.davidwaderich.com/hotlink/KI/TrackComplete Edited May 7, 2014 by DavidW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithPlus1 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 It looks......small? Maybe just the view-point Oh dear lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonsaiisuperstar Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I see they are digging out a trench. I knew there was a clearance issue there. Hope they do something cool with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrobnz Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Hello I am on my first solo mini coaster tour of Ohio in May...Kings Island and Cedar Point, and I have just realised that there is an ACE event on at Kings Island the same day I am there (Sunday May 18).... just wonder if anyone has an guess of how many people this would add to the park, and maybe should I revisit my schedule if the numbers (or people) will be insane? (and any tips on the best route from Kings Island to Cedar Point)..... I have used google maps, but would love some local knowledge... thinking about either a side trip to the ohio state prison.... or neil armstrong musuem (I realise I can only do one).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy T. Koepp Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I hear a lot of people commenting on the "smaller" loop. Does anyone know if this is fact? Looking at the pictures, they both look relatively similar in size. Is one loop in fact larger than the other? Can someone in tha know actually comment on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skramp Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Hello I am on my first solo mini coaster tour of Ohio in May...Kings Island and Cedar Point, and I have just realised that there is an ACE event on at Kings Island the same day I am there (Sunday May 18).... just wonder if anyone has an guess of how many people this would add to the park, and maybe should I revisit my schedule if the numbers (or people) will be insane? (and any tips on the best route from Kings Island to Cedar Point)..... I have used google maps, but would love some local knowledge... thinking about either a side trip to the ohio state prison.... or neil armstrong musuem (I realise I can only do one).... Honestly, there really is no easy way to get from KI to CP, you can take 75 north to Toledo-area, then cut east and find Route 2 somewhere.....or you can take 71 to Cleveland area, to turnpike to Sandusky area. You could stop at a prison, but would be hard to tour it or anything because of regulations. Neil Armstrong museum is decent, but if you want something cool, take 75 north to Dayton and go to the Air Force Museum, very cool history there. Then you can go up 75 and head to CP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trj820 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 The loop is done, and it is looking good![attachment=0]Camera4.jpg[/attachment] Why do I get the feeling that the train will haul butt through that loop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithPlus1 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 71 north to the Columbus outer-belt 270 west to 23 north to 98 (waldo exit). You will take 98 into Bucyrus where you will essentially keep going North but you want to make sure you take route 4 north. Take this into Sandusky and follow the Cedar Point signs. Have Fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterlover420 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I hear a lot of people commenting on the "smaller" loop. Does anyone know if this is fact? Looking at the pictures, they both look relatively similar in size. Is one loop in fact larger than the other? Can someone in tha know actually comment on this? This was my thought exactly. The max speed isn't even achieved until later in the ride. I'd think it would be the same size, if not bigger than the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I hear a lot of people commenting on the "smaller" loop. Does anyone know if this is fact? Looking at the pictures, they both look relatively similar in size. Is one loop in fact larger than the other? Can someone in tha know actually comment on this? Are you feeling okay? You missed the easiest "that's what she said" joke in weeks. You're slipping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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