Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

[OrlandoGuy]

Maybe I am just over-analyzing this, but Rougarou finishes the layout (drop to brake run) a few seconds faster than Mantis does now. Rougarou exits the corkscrew by the time Mantis makes it to the MCBR. Maybe this means that they aren't trimming it, or I am trusting the concept animation to much. What do you think?

 

In the Rougarou POV, the video skips a good portion of the lift hill. Look closely and you'll see theres a bit of a fade and transition from the bottom of the lift to close to the top...Im guessing thats why theres such a variation in the lengths of each video.

[ian1808]

Maybe I am just over-analyzing this, but Rougarou finishes the layout (drop to brake run) a few seconds faster than Mantis does now. Rougarou exits the corkscrew by the time Mantis makes it to the MCBR. Maybe this means that they aren't trimming it, or I am trusting the concept animation to much. What do you think?

 

In the Rougarou POV, the video skips a good portion of the lift hill. Look closely and you'll see theres a bit of a fade and transition from the bottom of the lift to close to the top...Im guessing thats why theres such a variation in the lengths of each video.

No, I did the same thing starting both videos at the drop, and Rougarou finishes a few seconds quicker. Might just be the animation or it is actually faster without trims.

[PKI Jizzman]

Looking forward to still hear it that loud kerchunky trim on the way down the first drop.

[Invertalon]

Are people really comparing an animation to an actual POV and trying to see what will be faster?

[Jcoaster]

This is going to be more than "Floorless trains, Repaint, New Name."

 

That really isn't going to sell big to us or the public, and more importantly...Matt Ouimet is in charge.

 

I'm quoting this for when it is "Floorless trains, Repaint and a New Name."

 

1. I told you so

 

2. Cool, good job Cedar Point

[Maverick XL 200]

Im really excited for this. That color scheme

[OISU8P]

I may have missed this in the discussion and apologize if so. Why was the first drop trimmed to begin with on Mantis?

 

Also, that Lake Pavilion looks much better then the Tent City that was there.

[BigDipper 80]

When they still tried to run 3 trains, the trim allowed a little more space in that block to try to cut back on stacking.

[scbt]

^I would imagine that having floorless trains will allow for quicker loading than the stand up trains which would probably make up for the (hopeful) lack of trim timing.

[Sharman19]

For anyone wanting to see the re-painting, here hare the pics.

Lookin' fabulous!

[TopThrill182]

^ They've already started repainting it?! They could probably have this thing open before the end of the season, if they wanted to. ha

[mark549]

I would imagine CF purchased new trains. SF should purchase the Mantis trains from CF and use them for parts for Riddler's and Green Lantern.

 

and Georgia Scorcher, which is the best designed standup coaster.

 

Looking forward to Mantis 2.0 and hope for Iron Streak RMC reconstruction in 2016.

[Sharman19]

I would imagine CF purchased new trains. SF should purchase the Mantis trains from CF and use them for parts for Riddler's and Green Lantern.

 

and Georgia Scorcher, which is the best designed standup coaster.

 

Looking forward to Mantis 2.0 and hope for Iron Streak RMC reconstruction in 2016.

Nah, I'd rather see this.

As a matter of fact, there are a lot more people that want to see this! right?

[YOLO]

I like how Cedar Point is thinking about quality over quantity since Maverick and GateKeeper. I think that they are fixing up Mean Streak in 2016 or 2017 into an Iron Horse. That would make an awesome Iron Horse coaster.

[Champloo08]

The new color scheme reminds of Michigan's Adventure corkscrew.

I'm happy it has the old restraints! My collar bones will be saved!!

[historyfreak92]

Ah! Now this coaster looks so much better now! And it looks better with floorless trains anyways, also I doubted if coaster was ever gonna be relocated!

[Samuel]

I may have missed this in the discussion and apologize if so. Why was the first drop trimmed to begin with on Mantis?

 

 

There *could* be structural reasons, but as far as ride experience alone is concerned, I found it pretty darn uncomfortable at full speed -- it seriously hauls through the first half without trims. The carousel turn, incline loop, and upward turn into the MCBR have always been a positive G clinic of elements, exasperated uncomfortably by standing up.

 

I think this move is going to be a very good one for the park. I've had some decent rides on Mantis, and while the current headbanging and leg stress isn't totally intolerable, "just OK and barely tolerable" isn't an overwhelming commendation for such a beautiful coaster with a twisty/powerful layout. Here's to hoping the new trains bring out a lot of untapped potential in this ol' Beemer!

[GayCoasterGuy]

I want to have a word with all the coaster nerds who argued with me years ago about how a stand up couldn't be converted to a sit down (center of gravity bs mostly)... I was right (Most of those arguments were on another site though, I'm on the right one now!) I'm sure lots of us where right about the conversion... A green and orange werewolf looks better than a yellow, red and purple mantis! It sure does look good in the videos.

[Woodie Warrior]

I'm surprised about them repainting it so soon as well. I was thinking they'd leave it as it is until it closes but I guess they are really eager to get Rougarou ready to roll.

 

I am a little surprised they went the route of converting it instead of just getting rid of it, but it looks like it could turn out to be a really good ride, possibly in the top 5 in the park.

 

Also, the people commenting on Cedar Point's Twitter page make me want to go shoot myself. Endless comments that say "OMG u guyz r such liers! Where da hek is tah LeBron ride? U promised!" These even keep getting posted after Tony tweeted that it was LeBron's choice to have them not name a ride after him. People are such morons.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Woodie Warrior

[GayCoasterGuy]

^^Ha! And these arguments were before NL...

 

I really like the logo. For some reason, it reminds me of a can of pop. Jolt or something?

 

[Calicoasters]

I would imagine CF purchased new trains. SF should purchase the Mantis trains from CF and use them for parts for Riddler's and Green Lantern.

 

and Georgia Scorcher, which is the best designed standup coaster.

 

I would think they'd save them for their own B&M stand-up coasters.

[Woodie Warrior]

The logo reminds me a wee bit of Raptor's logo. Looks great, nonetheless.

[ian1808]

I know someone already mentioned this but it is worth mentioning again...

Hehehe

[El Toro_Ryan]

I would imagine CF purchased new trains. SF should purchase the Mantis trains from CF and use them for parts for Riddler's and Green Lantern.

 

and Georgia Scorcher, which is the best designed standup coaster.

 

I would think they'd save them for their own B&M stand-up coasters.

 

Agreed. Let's not forget about the two Vortex's at Carowinds and California's Great America.

[Ohiocoasterman]

Let's hope Cedar Point can run 3 trains on Rougarou, as Mantis was intended. Has anybody noticed the lack of trimming on the MCBR? And it looks like they will install some magnetic brakes on the final brake run.

 

By the way, I wonder how much a new set of rolling stock might cost...

 

IIRC, a new seat for RoS is about $100,000 (mechanisms and all.) Though that's obviously an Intamin sit down and not a B&M floorless, they are held to a similar level of quality, so I would assume it would be in a similar ballpark. So I'm going to guess $3.2 million per train.

 

There will be 3 trains!! Stat sheet:

https://www.facebook.com/cprundown/photos/a.369208953172216.88126.349928541766924/704235706336204/?type=1&theater