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I actually passed on Disaster Transport, multiple times. Now it's gone, forever

 

Unless you have a specific thing for intamin bobsleds, you really didn't miss much in my opinion. I've only ridden one mack bobsled (avalanche at KD), but I found it to be far superior to the two intamin versions I've ridden (3 if you count Avalanche Run and DT seperately).

 

Sure, DT was neat because it was a bit different and helped fill the dark ride hole in CP's line up (especially after the pirate ride closed), but I honestly just can't fathom why they sunk a further $4M into a profoundly mediocre and short intamin bobsled ride on top of the $3.5M they spent to build Avalanche Run in the first place just 5 years earlier. That's a total investment of $7.5M (1990 dollars). Back then, 7.5 big ones could have gotten you a ride/attraction that was a whole hell of a lot cooler than DT.

 

And let's please not forget how atrociously ugly DT was and how its presence marred the beachfront at that end of the park. People can say whatever they want about DT's replacement Gatekeeper, taken on its own, but anyone who might try to claim that it wasn't a MASSIVE upgrade would sound like a crazy person from crazy land to me.

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I'd rather read about different experiences people had on a particular roller coaster (or posts from storms for that matter) than alot of the drivel that trickles through this thread...

Amen!

 

I've been LOVING all of these "Magnum Memories" posts.

 

I find them genuinely interesting, as opposed to something like 5 more pages of '17 vs. '18 bickering.

 

Besides, it's the off season. I seriously doubt any of us nerds have anything better to do with our time than taking a little stroll down memory lane.

 

 

 

But perhaps Magnum nostalgia is now getting played out in this thread for the time being, so lets switch gears to something that I think everybody will enjoy: Disaster Transport virginity loss stories!!!

 

 

A Disaster in the Making

 

It was the winter of '89/'90 and the whole world was waiting with baited breath to see what CP would do as an encore for Magnum. I was 14 years old by that time and now a CP veteran. My getaway guide for the 1990 season arrived sometime in early spring and I flipped open the cover to find the big announcement for the year. They planned to turn Avalanche Run into some kind of space-themed dark ride. uhhh, ok. wait, what? Avalanche Run is lame as hell. WHY?

 

Thoroughly underwhelmed, I still went back to my parents to plead my case for another summer trip to CP because I desperately needed more Magnum (who doesn't?). They made arrangements for another trip; I was over the moon all over again. We stayed at the breakers again for a two-day stay, and somewhere in the middle of our first day, we made our way down to DT. Anticipation levels were low and for good reason. The line was long, about 90 minutes I think, and as a build up for the ride that followed it, it was a painful 90 minutes. We didn't bother riding it again over the course of that two day trip. And I think I only rode it maybe a small handful of other times on subsequent CP trips.

 

Disaster Transport was probably the most aptly named amusement park ride in the history of amusement park rides. I mean, they put the word "disaster" right in the name of the damn ride, basically warning you ahead of time that it was gonna suck. And starting from an Intamin bobsled, how could it ever hope to be anything other than mediocre. CP spent $4M (in 1990 dollars, mind you) trying to polish that turd and all they managed to do with that sizable investment was take an existing mediocre ride and make it ever so slightly less mediocre and orders of magnitude more ugly. What the hell were they thinking? Avalanche Run was certainly no great shakes, but I could at least appreciate the absurdity of locating a snow-themed bobsled ride right on a bright and sunny beach. However, with the DT transformation, any small amount of ironic charm that the ride might have previously had was obliterated with big giant beige boxes festooned with cryptic lettering hanging in the sky with tubes protruding out of them here and there. ugly, ugly, ugly.

 

As for the themed queue, I guess you could say that they tried, but the story line never made much sense to me (Alaska? Why are we going to Alaska? And through space? WTF?) and despite the vast sums spent on the theming, it was still way beyond apparent that you were definitely not at a disney park. The ride was the ride; I guess it was made a little bit cooler being in the dark where the twists and turns were harder to anticipate, but it was still just a lame old Intamin bobsled coaster: way too many MCBRs and way too short. For 4 million dollars they could have knocked-down Avalanche Run and built a medium sized wood coaster like WoF's Timber Wolf which was built the prior season for $3M (I know Timber Wolf is held in very low regard these days, but when it first opened it received A LOT of high praise from the enthusiast community).

 

To me, the only really surprising thing about DT was that it managed to hang around for as long as it did, though that was probably helped in large part by its former themed queue areas being taken over for halloweekends stuff. Inertia is also a pretty powerful force.

 

 

 

TL;DR: The Disaster Transport transformation has to rank as one of the all-time worst ride investments in CP history.

 

I figured this would be one of those I thought it would suck, but I was pleasantly surprised type stories, I kept waiting for it to get better for you.

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I'd rather ride Wildcat than Avalanche Run/Disaster Transport any day.

 

Ditto, and I got to experience DT when it was fresh and all of the pre-show worked. That was fun, but the ride was tame for me. In my young mind at the time, space mountain was a far superior dark ride. Wildcat was both visible and visceral and far more pleasant to look at lol.

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IIRC Avalanche Run had a dual loading station therefore two bobsleds could load/unload at the same time. The issue with Disaster Transport was they turned what was the second loading platform into the unload only and had just the one loading station.

 

I stopped riding DT a long time before they finally decided to remove it. It became a waste of time. Also didn't help that it was so HOT going up the lift hill.

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I remember my sister and her husband waiting for over two hours in line for DT during opening season and they were PISSED that they waited that long for something that sucked that badly!

 

Me and my friend held off after they "gave us their review" and waited until our next visit when the line was more manageable. I had already ridden Avalanche Run and remembered how badly that sucked (only rode it once), so we weren't overly excited to ride DT. While it was definitely better in the dark, it just felt like a slower, lamer version of Space Mountain.

 

I found it interesting that the queue line theming seemed like it only lasted one or two seasons before it just all sat idle....likely because it didn't have much of a line because the word was out that it wasn't very good.

 

But yeah, on rainy days or really hot days, it could pick up an hour wait easily. I do remember the queue line stinking as well as the hotter than Hades (and equally smelly) enclosed lift hill.

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I'd rather ride Wildcat than Avalanche Run/Disaster Transport any day.

Oh for sure!

 

Wildcat was a great little ride, as are most things Herr Achterbahn had a hand in creating.

 

My main beefs with DT were:

1. So very goddamn ugly

2. Terrible investment

3. Intamin/Giovanola bobsleds just weren't very good in my opinion. They're neat and add diversity to a coaster line-up, but there's a reason why only 5 of them were ever built worldwide over the span of 2 years in the mid-'80s. I rode two of them: AR/DT at CP and Rolling Thunder at SFGAm, and whether outdoors or enclosed, the ride experience just seemed very short, lackluster and disjointed to me. Shallow drop -> turn-turn-turn -> MCBR -> shallow drop -> turn-turn-turn -> MCBR -> shallow drop -> turn-turn-turn -> End.

 

They're not terrible or objectively bad or anything like that, they just never really dId it for me.

 

A Schwarzkopf Wildcat on the other hand, now you're talking!

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I think they will complete RMC Mean Streak and run a few test cycles. Then just to troll us all they will tear down the entire thing and put the Boomerang from Knotts in its place.That would literally be the most hysterical thing to ever happen, imagine how many but hurt fanboys there would be, they might start a riot.

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I think they will complete RMC Mean Streak and run a few test cycles. Then just to troll us all they will tear down the entire thing and put the Boomerang from Knotts in its place.That would literally be the most hysterical thing to ever happen, imagine how many but hurt fanboys there would be, they might start a riot.

Or maybe RMC Mean Streak will be their new dark ride. They'll hide that beautiful structure in a butt ugly beige airplane hangar just like they used for Disaster Transport

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I think they will complete RMC Mean Streak and run a few test cycles. Then just to troll us all they will tear down the entire thing and put the Boomerang from Knotts in its place.That would literally be the most hysterical thing to ever happen, imagine how many but hurt fanboys there would be, they might start a riot.

 

Everything about your post makes me need a drink. Or 12. My liver hates you.

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I'd rather ride Wildcat than Avalanche Run/Disaster Transport any day.

Oh for sure!

 

Wildcat was a great little ride, as are most things Herr Achterbahn had a hand in creating.

 

My main beefs with DT were:

1. So very goddamn ugly

2. Terrible investment

3. Intamin/Giovanola bobsleds just weren't very good in my opinion. They're neat and add diversity to a coaster line-up, but there's a reason why only 5 of them were ever built worldwide over the span of 2 years in the mid-'80s. I rode two of them: AR/DT at CP and Rolling Thunder at SFGAm, and whether outdoors or enclosed, the ride experience just seemed very short, lackluster and disjointed to me. Shallow drop -> turn-turn-turn -> MCBR -> shallow drop -> turn-turn-turn -> MCBR -> shallow drop -> turn-turn-turn -> End.

 

They're not terrible or objectively bad or anything like that, they just never really dId it for me.

 

A Schwarzkopf Wildcat on the other hand, now you're talking!

 

I never cared for Wildcat...whether on the beach or over by Iron Dragon. I think I rode it a grand total of 2 times during my visits in the 80's, 90's and up until it's removal.

 

I just remember it as an okay transitional coaster (along with Iron Dragon and CC Mine Ride) with one good drop, a horribly abrupt brake at the end and it being very noisy with all of it's clunking and clanking. It always felt a bit too "carnival" to me and seemed horribly out of place at CP - just my opinion though.

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Wildcat was in my top 10 (#9) up until it closed. I only allow operating coasters in my top 10. So I dropped it down to #20 along with Big Dipper from GL. I was so sad when they removed Wildcat from the park. I liked it better than any other coaster in the park. And I'm a grown man with El Toro and Phoenix on the top of my list. I only ever rode Wildcat once (2009), but it really surprised me how much fun it was.

 

FYI, Wicked Twister is my 2nd favorite coaster at CP.

 

I hope to get back to CP this year, I really want to see if the different restraints on Maverick can bump it up from #18 on my list to a top 10.

 

Back in 2009 I had 2 days at the park, but heavy lightning storms kept the rides shut most of the day (both days). So I was scrambling to get from ride to ride while they were open.

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Wildcat was in my top 10 (#9) up until it closed. I only allow operating coasters in my top 10. So I dropped it down to #20 along with Big Dipper from GL. I was so sad when they removed Wildcat from the park. I liked it better than any other coaster in the park. And I'm a grown man with El Toro and Phoenix on the top of my list. I only ever rode Wildcat once (2009), but it really surprised me how much fun it was.

 

FYI, Wicked Twister is my 2nd favorite coaster at CP.

 

I hope to get back to CP this year, I really want to see if the different restraints on Maverick can bump it up from #18 on my list to a top 10.

 

Back in 2009 I had 2 days at the park, but heavy lightning storms kept the rides shut most of the day (both days). So I was scrambling to get from ride to ride while they were open.

Wildcat wasn't the best at CP, but it was better than, say, Corkscrew or Disaster Transport. Maverick's different restraints improved the ride for me. It moved from the lower part of my top ten all the way to #3 after riding it last season

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Its been nine years since I rode Diaster Transport, but it was only two days ago that I rode La Vibora at SFOT. La Vibora was super fun and placed just behind NTAG as my favorite coaster at the park. My favorite thing about the ride were the twisties (that produced an action reminiscent to the swinging of suspended coasters during transitions). I thought the ride made the park really well rounded because it provided snappy transitions that enthusiasts love and was great for families (mine included enjoyed it)

 

I really like the feel of bobsled coasters' transitions and arrow suspended coasters' swinging, even more than Maverick's, i305's, El Toro's, etc. twisties. I think if Diaster Transport were still around today, I would really enjoy it.

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When I was in Ocean City, Maryland, we diverted our path to a park that had a Wildcat that happened to previously be at Cedar Point.

 

That was the original CP Wildcat from 1970 that stood close to where Windseeker is today. It was removed after the 1978 season and shipped off to Valleyfair (and eventually to Ocean City) and CP received a new identical model Wildcat that was erected near the former Jumbo Jet site (which was also removed after the 1978 season and sent to a park in Maine, and eventually to Europe). That Wildcat remained there until the 1984 season when it was moved over by the current Valravn site to make way for Avalanche Run.

 

Does anyone know the story behind why both CP Shwarzkopf coasters were removed after the 1978 season and why an identical Wildcat model was built to replace the one that was sent to Valleyfair? It seems to me that it would have been easier to just leave well enough alone with the original Wildcat at CP and send the new one directly to Valleyfair.

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When I was in Ocean City, Maryland, we diverted our path to a park that had a Wildcat that happened to previously be at Cedar Point.

 

That was the original CP Wildcat from 1970 that stood close to where Windseeker is today. It was removed after the 1978 season and shipped off to Valleyfair (and eventually to Ocean City) and CP received a new identical model Wildcat that was erected near the former Jumbo Jet site (which was also removed after the 1978 season and sent to a park in Maine, and eventually to Europe). That wild cat remained there until the 1984 season when it was moved over by the current Valravn site to make way for Avalanche Run.

 

Does anyone know the story behind why both CP Shwarzkopf coasters were removed after the 1978 season and why an identical Wildcat model was built to replace the one that was sent to Valleyfair? It seems to me that it would have been easier to just leave well enough alone wit the original Wildcat at CP and send the new one directly to Valleyfair.

 

If I had to make a guess, the park was still in a state of transition away from having any independent vendors operating on-site, and the Wildcat that was removed and replaced with an identical ride was done because it wasn't owned by Cedar Point and they wanted their own such attraction.

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Since some of us were mentioning Wildcat...

 

I *LOVED* Wildcat. There was something simple and very roller-coaster-like about those models, and that is a common feel with Schwarzkopf coasters.

 

A friend and I visited the park in 2011, it was her first time to CP. She had got bitten by the coaster bug during Holiwood Nights that year and couldn't wait to get to the Coaster Capital of the World, Cedar Point. I explained to her that although very nice and fun, very well-run, etc., that none of the coasters at CP may match the intensity level of the coasters she loved so much at HW, but to keep an open mind.

 

As we made our way counter-clockwise around CP, the look on her face was priceless. It was a combo look of emptiness and dismay. She kept saying "where are the good coasters!??" Mean Streak was next, she exclaimed "well that one looks good." Oh boy... We finally made it to Wildcat. One spin, then another. We had season passes, so on our couple trips through Ohio to the Pennsylvania parks (which she LOVED, as do I, minus Dorney ), we would always stop at CP on the way from and back home to Chicago.

 

She kept thinking about it... and finalized that Wildcat was her favorite ride at CP. I kinda agreed with her. I explained that Blue Streak used to be an excellent, classic roller coaster experienced, but most of that was stomped out in the 90s with seat dividers and ratcheting lap bars (although still very popular per CP fanboys, I say with 100% certainty it's a totally different experience now).

 

Her nickname for Cedar Point was "what's the Point!?" We still had fun, don't get me wrong.

 

I too was very upset at Wildcat leaving. Sure, it may have run it's course... but let us remember that Gerstlauer works out of the former Schwarzkopf facility and has access to all plans. They are fully capable of manufacturing a brand new Wildcat model, same profile/layout/seat and car design, but with a modern system, mag brakes, modern lift, etc. etc. It would be beautiful! Oh yeah, a cool new led lighting package too! Capacity could still be an issue, it's a low-throughput ride for a park like CP. It would still be worth it.

 

What really made me sick, when Wildcat was being taken out, some of the CP fanboy types saying stupid stuff like "it's a lame carnival ride anyway..." Uck! So you would rather have massive B&M machines that look great but all feel almost exactly the same? Nah, I want variety. Hoity-toity a-holes.

 

CP claims to be the coaster capital (a title they nabbed from Kennywood years ago, ok ok all is fair..), but it would be nice to have a collection of one of everything. A classic wood coaster (yes, Blue Streak can be restored to classic seating), a Schwarzkopf coaster, etc. They certainly have the resources. It would be nice bragging material, too!

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