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P. 1989: Wicked Twister's permanent closure announced!

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Much thanks for the advice! I will definitely focus on the big rides Friday, and while I figured rain would scare crowds away, I didn't consider how it would affect ride closures.

 

Rain does close some rides but the real issue is that it's opening weekend and they're all going to be down for mechanical reasons. I'd tell you what rides close for rain but even the park doesn't know. Dragster will close but aside from that I'm convinced they have a rain policy wheel at each ride that they spin whenever it rains to decide what the rules will be that day. 2 Years ago they were holding their hands out to see if they felt a single drop before they opened Maverick. Last year they opened it in heavy rain with 50 MPH winds, tides all the way up Wicked Twister and sand blowing onto the midways.

 

I've even seen them close Snake River falls because of a light drizzle. A ride who's sole purpose is to create a tidal wave so massive that it drenches everyone in the general area of the splash zone.

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While opening weekend is usually a clusterf*ck, this year it appears that the park is well ahead of the game in terms of preseason testing. In years prior it'd sometimes be days before opening day that some rides even got their trains on the track, let alone began testing. Whereas this year the park has been a flurry of nonstop testing on all their major attractions the past 2+ weeks. Fingers crossed that this head start on shaking out any offseason mechanical gremlins, plus the "soft opening" this weekend followed by a week off, will put them in a great position for a relatively smooth and reliable opening weekend.

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I have to agree that the vest restraint takes away any feeling of plummeting or falling that is present on Sheikra and Griffon... meh.

 

Great ride, annoyingly restrictive restraint.

So did you actually ride it yesterday? And how? Because it was a very closed group of people they invited.

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While opening weekend is usually a clusterf*ck, this year it appears that the park is well ahead of the game in terms of preseason testing. In years prior it'd sometimes be days before opening day that some rides even got their trains on the track, let alone began testing. Whereas this year the park has been a flurry of nonstop testing on all their major attractions the past 2+ weeks. Fingers crossed that this head start on shaking out any offseason mechanical gremlins, plus the "soft opening" this weekend followed by a week off, will put them in a great position for a relatively smooth and reliable opening weekend.

 

I want you to be right but they do that every year and it doesn't make a difference. Plus the weather is making wind and rain closures on opening day look like a foregone conclusion. Go in with reasonable expectations and you'll have a great day though.

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I want you to be right but they do that every year and it doesn't make a difference. Plus the weather is making wind and rain closures on opening day look like a foregone conclusion. Go in with reasonable expectations and you'll have a great day though.

Eh, I wouldn't say every year, there have been plenty of years (including last year) where some of their star attractions didn't even begin testing until a few days before opening (or after). On average it's a mixed bag, but the mild winter and the flurry of ride activity the past couple weeks has made it pretty apparent they got a head start on preseason testing this year.

 

That said, I definitely agree that this weekend the weather/wind is going to be the driving factor in terms of "operational reliability". But, that should always be in the forefront of anyone visiting CP considering how temperamental the weather and rides are on the peninsula.

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I want you to be right but they do that every year and it doesn't make a difference. Plus the weather is making wind and rain closures on opening day look like a foregone conclusion. Go in with reasonable expectations and you'll have a great day though.

Eh, I wouldn't say every year, there have been plenty of years (including last year) where some of their star attractions didn't even begin testing until a few days before opening (or after). On average it's a mixed bag, but the mild winter and the flurry of ride activity the past couple weeks has made it pretty apparent they got a head start on preseason testing this year.

 

That said, I definitely agree that this weekend the weather/wind is going to be the driving factor in terms of "operational reliability". But, that should always be in the forefront of anyone visiting CP considering how temperamental the weather and rides are on the peninsula.

 

Point of reference... last year for pass holder preview day millennium was one of the rides scheduled to be open but unfortunately they were still wrapping up testing for state approval. It did open on the next day (opening day) but they still hadn't put the yellow train on the track yet and it continued to run with only 2 trains until right around Coastermania

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Millennium Force's third (yellow) train wasn't used until the Friday of Memorial Day weekend. We were there that day and thanks to their ridiculous new policies they had to cycle it empty ONE HUNDRED TIMES that day before they could load it which they were finally able to do at night.

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thanks to their ridiculous new policies they had to cycle it empty ONE HUNDRED TIMES

 

It seems like commissioning is fairly new across CF parks. After having a train sit around being pulled apart over the winter, it helps to break it in and make sure there's no problems with the restraints or ride system and the train. I'm sure the ride ops were just as enthused about cycling it empty as you were.

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Millennium Force's third (yellow) train wasn't used until the Friday of Memorial Day weekend. We were there that day and thanks to their ridiculous new policies they had to cycle it empty ONE HUNDRED TIMES that day before they could load it which they were finally able to do at night.

 

It's ridiculous that they are ensuring that particular train is safe for you to ride? You are complaining that the third train was not ready? Did you ever think for a split second that there may have been a delay with that train? They are stripped and inspected completely during the off season, then rebuilt. Sometimes, parts are replaced as needed.

 

Rides are REQUIRED for a minimum number of cycles by different departments. Maintenence, state, operations, etc. From my experience, operations are the last to get control of the ride. Then before they can put anyone on the trains, they must have a minimum number of cycles per ride vehicle.

 

I can tell you, things do not always go as planned when it comes to commissioning these rides.

 

As someone who works at a park, I am very offended by you post. How dare you call something that is done for YOUR safety "ridiculous"? Every rule or procedure a park has is for YOUR safety.

 

"Now back to your regularly scheduled program."

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Millennium Force's third (yellow) train wasn't used until the Friday of Memorial Day weekend. We were there that day and thanks to their ridiculous new policies they had to cycle it empty ONE HUNDRED TIMES that day before they could load it which they were finally able to do at night.

 

It's ridiculous that they are ensuring that particular train is safe for you to ride? You are complaining that the third train was not ready? Did you ever think for a split second that there may have been a delay with that train? They are stripped and inspected completely during the off season, then rebuilt. Sometimes, parts are replaced as needed.

 

Rides are REQUIRED for a minimum number of cycles by different departments. Maintenence, state, operations, etc. From my experience, operations are the last to get control of the ride. Then before they can put anyone on the trains, they must have a minimum number of cycles per ride vehicle.

 

I can tell you, things do not always go as planned when it comes to commissioning these rides.

 

As someone who works at a park, I am very offended by you post. How dare you call something that is done for YOUR safety "ridiculous"? Every rule or procedure a park has is for YOUR safety.

 

"Now back to your regularly scheduled program."

 

Dude, seriously??

 

You're acting like he personally attacked you or something! It's not that serious......you might want to calm down and take a deep breath or something....

 

Besides, this is Bill we're talking about here, who's one of the easiest going guys on this site, haha! The only real issue he has is that perplexing enjoyment of Mean Streak!

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I am very offended by you post.

 

Then perhaps you misunderstood my post and maybe I didn't word it the best. I praised the ride crew, my issue was that they cycled it 100 times empty on a busy operating day on a ride where they generally never dispatch a train until they're triple stacked because of the blocking setup so it slowed down operations on a really busy day. I was surprised they didn't do it after hours.

 

Really the level of complaining in my post was minimal. I brought it up to build upon the point that this park really takes awhile to hit their stride which was already being discussed... not to bash the ride crews (though for awhile IROC was killing them last year like with the "no steak skipping when seat checking" rules) but as I'm not an insider I don't know what's dictated by IROC and what's not so as I said I stand corrected on that one.

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We had the pleasure of attending media for Valravn, and here are my thoughts:

-The entrance and area created for Valravn are incredible, not only because they look nice but they really open up the park and connect it to everything else. This ride is right next to the area for Blue Streak, and before that area was just like a dead end and now it is all opened up and connects well. I think this is one of my favorite parts of this new addition, it really brings it in full circle and connects everything together.

-Originally we thought we would not like the ride because of the different restraints, but that really did not have much effect on the ride experience. I think is is still a great ride and compatible to Griffon or SheiKra, though you don't get the room that you had on the others to move around as much. The view from the top of the lift hill and right before the drop are INCREDIBLE you can see the whole park and a lot of the other rides and Lake Eerie in the background. The ride itself is nice and smooth and gives you some nice airtime and drops. This ride is MASSIVE compared to the other coasters in the area.

-Valravn is a nice visual addition to the skyline. It is also is a very nice addition to the park and adds more variety to the coasters around it and to the types of coasters at the park.

-They also have a list of Valravn themed foods and drinks added to the things you can buy in and out of the park. There will be a couple new Coke Freestyle choices available including one called "Flavaravn Fizz", a new Valravn themed beer, Valravn ice cream flavor (inside and outside the park), and Dunkin Donuts will have a Valravn themed donut at the nearby locations.

Heres a collection of pictures we took and you can also check out the updates posted on TPR's Twitter:

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New banners in the entrance sign!

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That new skyline <3

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Stayed at Castaway Bay and they have a new locking system!

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Yay! RFID!

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Thats us!

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Lots of news vans everywhere!

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:)

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The lighting package for the ride is beautiful and rainbow-y

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love this area, its right next to the drop for family to watch and take pictures

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<3

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Chickie and Pete's was opened for us to come in and sit and snack

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great spot to take selfies!

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we got these really cool windbreakers when we checked in

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twisty

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look at all those twists! and all the coasters in the background!

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Lots of breakfast foods to chose from!

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new gift shop!

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look at all the Valravn goodies you can buy!

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more stuff!

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they also had the new FunPix station set up!

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so this is a Valravn?

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<3

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loved the signage!

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Twists and the new walking area.

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look at that drop!

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Raptor's colors really compliment Valravn's colors

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I took a lot of this picture

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new entrance!

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new interactive park map at the entrance to Valravn

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New ice cream available in and out of the park

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Valravn themed donuts available at the nearby locations

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Valravn themed beer!! Yes!

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Raptors new paint job looks so good!

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updated walkway, they were installing lights while we were there

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Lets play the game "how many rides are in this picture?"

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I get what you are saying. I just want everyone to keep in mind that there is a reason for everything that parks do.

 

While unfortunate as it may be not to be able to run at full capacity, sometimes things happen, and is put of the ride operators hands.

 

Believe me, it is easier to run the ride than it is to be closed, or running what seems like JUST an emty train.

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Yeah sorry I could have worded that better. I have to poke the bear just one more time though and I'm sorry but...

 

I just want everyone to keep in mind that there is a reason for everything that parks do.

 

Can you explain the reason for the inconsistent Cedar point rain policy? I won't even argue, I just want to know the reasoning that they used to come up with it and what makes them seemingly change it on a daily basis for each ride (besides Dragster). I just want to understand... lol

 

Don't hate me forever

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I just want everyone to keep in mind that there is a reason for everything that parks do.

 

I think we are all very well aware of that.

 

 

On a positive note, the lights on Valravn's lift hill look amazing!!

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Yeah sorry I could have worded that better. I have to poke the bear just one more time though and I'm sorry but...

 

I just want everyone to keep in mind that there is a reason for everything that parks do.

 

Can you explain the reason for the inconsistent Cedar point rain policy? I won't even argue, I just want to know the reasoning that they used to come up with it and what makes them seemingly change it on a daily basis for each ride (besides Dragster). I just want to understand... lol

 

Don't hate me forever

 

If I worked at Cedar Point, perhaps I could answer that.

 

Also, Valravn is one sexy looking B&M. Can't wait to ride it. Come on May 17!!!!

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Speaking of capacity, I have a question re: the new style of trains shown here. Is the 10-wide dive coaster train at BGW the same effective width as the 8-wide train at CP?

 

If so, the decision to use the vest restraints ended up costing capacity 6 riders per train... which is a little surprising to me at a park like CP.

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Millennium Force's third (yellow) train wasn't used until the Friday of Memorial Day weekend. We were there that day and thanks to their ridiculous new policies they had to cycle it empty ONE HUNDRED TIMES that day before they could load it which they were finally able to do at night.

 

It's ridiculous that they are ensuring that particular train is safe for you to ride? You are complaining that the third train was not ready? Did you ever think for a split second that there may have been a delay with that train? They are stripped and inspected completely during the off season, then rebuilt. Sometimes, parts are replaced as needed.

 

Rides are REQUIRED for a minimum number of cycles by different departments. Maintenence, state, operations, etc. From my experience, operations are the last to get control of the ride. Then before they can put anyone on the trains, they must have a minimum number of cycles per ride vehicle.

 

I can tell you, things do not always go as planned when it comes to commissioning these rides.

 

As someone who works at a park, I am very offended by you post. How dare you call something that is done for YOUR safety "ridiculous"? Every rule or procedure a park has is for YOUR safety.

 

"Now back to your regularly scheduled program."

 

lmao, the anger is amazing. Perhaps I lack bill's tact, and thus am more willing to say certain things. And so: CP has roughly 5 months to get their work done, and it is pretty plain as day when that work isn't finished on time *and* it has not necessarily been improving year over year at doing so. Almost everything in this industry, good and bad, sees "safety" trotted out as a justifying cause. Let's say what was in this thread was true from you and others: the work simply got done late because of mechanical items that needed replacing and work to be done to it. Possible. Cedar Point may not have wanted to pay the money to have people cycle it the prescribed number of times too, causing the late opening. That seems pretty plausible too. Is safety the real reason then that it doesn't open until late May, or is it bean counting? You tell me.

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Speaking of capacity, I have a question re: the new style of trains shown here. Is the 10-wide dive coaster train at BGW the same effective width as the 8-wide train at CP?

 

If so, the decision to use the vest restraints ended up costing capacity 6 riders per train... which is a little surprising to me at a park like CP.

 

From my recollection, Griffon's trains caused a lot of problems with the lit hill.

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I can't wait to be there next weekend! The ride looks fantastic. Look like you can get an amazing picture of Valravn from anywhere it looks like! there goes my phone storage. The gift shop can can take all my money.

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