Mrlittle Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I would bet the park already has a butt load of merchandise and signs with the name. I seriously doubt the name will change. I could even see them start building it then announce it on a later date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 I think it's a good discussion to have, because it could be implemented at other parks. For me, what Universal is communicating is "all our guests are idiots" and while I fully agree there are probably quite a few that are, I personally take offense to that. Why am *I* getting punished because of someone else's stupidity? I also don't agree with having to put *EVERY DAMN THING* in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo. I saw someone padded down last time at Rip Ride Rockit and they made them put their lap balm in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo. REALLY!?!?!? C'mon. I would agree with this...but the problem is that ENTHUSIASTS have this issue as well. We all know somebody or even ourselves have carried loose articles which then became lost on high speed coasters. I don't want to call Anyone an "idiot" (and I absolutely know and respect greatly what you deal with in securing mounted cameras on rollercoasters and the history of coaster POVs vs many others out there), but I think the base problem is that the vast Majority (or at least MANY guests every day) of people think they are immune here, just like people texting and driving, and universal's zero-tolerance policy is in relation to the vast majority of people who will wear sunglasses, hats, or drop lip balm at 40 mph on a guest sitting near the ride. It sucks to not have the ability to text or play games in line (which I DO dislike, but not as strongly), and detectors are a very finite solution, but educating 100 percent of guests really isn't possible, and even then people would ignore it, just like the dude ignored the signs and jumped the fence at the Point. This is why I prefer to do my riding on the other side of I-4. When I can go on rides like Tower of Terror or Rock N' Roller Coaster and they tell you "Take all your loose items with you" and I'm holding a backpack on a launching, looping roller coaster, that tells me that either Disney is just getting a much, MUCH better clientele than Universal, or something is seriously wrong with their operations. I mean, Universal isn't doing this on Mummy, Gringott's, MIB or even Forbidden Journey. It is only the big, fast coasters with guest pathways nearby. Disney World has only Test Track's big turn that is comparable in the level of speed vs the danger (and you are very low in that car). Or maybe the big drop on Everest if some criminal intentionally threw something. And trust me, I myself prefer Disney's relaxed (European) approach on loose articles, but maybe it just says something about the way I am that neither policy matters to me anywhere near the quality of the rides, the food, the line lengths, the prices, etc. It's low on my personal list. I like Universal, don't get me wrong, but I'm not an idiot, and I don't like being treated like one at their parks. And if parks like Cedar Point started to enforce these same kinds of rules, too, and added metal detectors, I'd stop riding their coasters also. I don't mind putting a bag or something in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo, but having to empty my pockets, be padded down, and go through a metal detector to go on a roller coaster? Nope. I draw the line right there. And that's a reasoned decision. If the same policies were applied at Cedar Point I think it would detract from the experience greatly, since there are so many more rides that it would be enforced on. But for me having to place my items in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo at Universal has never been close to outweighing the thrill of riding their rides, and this extra policy is only in effect at 3 rides out of 40ish. But even if they did it at the Point, I would only say that they need good queue entertainment if I can't use my phone or camera there in line. It wouldn't keep me away at all, the same as I still fly (without WIFI on most planes) whenever I need to or go to sporting events when I want. I would just sigh, and then agree to not use my phone much. And still enjoy the rides and the people I'm with. And i would continue to avoid days where waits for everything are really long, the same as now. And also, Morey's Piers does the EXACT same thing on the Great Noreaster inverted coaster. Wands, detectors, free fluffy, fluffy bunnies filled with medicine and goo the whole bit. And they never get any flack for that choice. Actually, here's an idea - instead of installing metal detectors, why isn't there security hanging out in the onride photo booth, and every person they see with their cell phone out on the ride, escort them out of the park and trespass them from ever coming back. I personally think the biggest issue here why people think they can do whatever they want on rides is because there isn't enough repercussion for when someone does something against the rules. On security: This does nothing against those who have phones, glasses, or even [knives] in their pockets. It's a good idea for all the annoying people who get their cameras out on the ride. It's better than stopping the ride several times a day on the lift hill to walk up and collect Cell phone cameras for sure, but it doesn't solve the whole problem better than Metal Detectors might. I have NO insight on how the Metal detectors are really performing at Universal in particular financially or in guest satisfaction, it could be an all-encompassing solution to the global loose-articles issue, and have the ability to SPEED UP overall wait times. Which is why I'm again very happy to see someone try it. And about repercussions, that's a hell of a lot of societal re-education we are talking about. Making that option realistic is way bigger than any single park or any single visit. I too, wish America wasn't regressing. It's a really good thing you aren't in charge of operations at any parks, because your parks would really suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick_cp Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I hope that they change it the name. Not because its association with death (because I think that's a cool thing) but because I still think it's stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philrad71 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Here's an interesting concept that I would like to introduce as 'Lifesavers 2.0'. Voila...shorts with zippered pockets. Brilliant! Safely stores keys, sunglasses, cell phones and wallets while riding roller coasters! Buy my Lifesavers 2.0 shorts now for only $29.99 and keep your head in the game!!! Edit: I guess I better go ahead and apologize now for my highly insensitive comments knowing that I am going to offend a lot of people on here with my sarcasm. I just wanted to inject a little bit of humor and cynicism into this thread...I think it needs it! A BIG SORRY TO THOSE THAT I MAY OFFEND!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithPlus1 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 ^What a crazy concept. Especially if you frequently visit the park and know how easy it could be for items to fall out of your pants, especially the ones that go upside down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philrad71 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 ^ I know...isn't it a scream? I would think that theme parks could sell these faster than glasses straps. Market them as "Roller Coaster Shorts" sew on a park logo and up-charge them to about $50! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithPlus1 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 ^ I know...isn't it a scream? I would think that theme parks could sell these faster than glasses straps. Market them as "Roller Coaster Shorts" sew on a park logo and up-charge them to about $50! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garet Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I feel like the main issue people have with it is that the park is blatantly and openly saying "We don't trust our guests" and violating their personal freedoms. I think that is an absolutely valid concern and I don't want to take over this topic talking about it. Cell phones on coasters just really suck for all parties and I just think that Metal Detectors and mandatory policies are an option that I'm happy to see explored. I think it's a good discussion to have, because it could be implemented at other parks. For me, what Universal is communicating is "all our guests are idiots" and while I fully agree there are probably quite a few that are, I personally take offense to that. Why am *I* getting punished because of someone else's stupidity? I also don't agree with having to put *EVERY DAMN THING* in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo. I saw someone padded down last time at Rip Ride Rockit and they made them put their lap balm in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo. REALLY!?!?!? C'mon. This is why I prefer to do my riding on the other side of I-4. When I can go on rides like Tower of Terror or Rock N' Roller Coaster and they tell you "Take all your loose items with you" and I'm holding a backpack on a launching, looping roller coaster, that tells me that either Disney is just getting a much, MUCH better clientele than Universal, or something is seriously wrong with their operations. I like Universal, don't get me wrong, but I'm not an idiot, and I don't like being treated like one at their parks. And if parks like Cedar Point started to enforce these same kinds of rules, too, and added metal detectors, I'd stop riding their coasters also. I don't mind putting a bag or something in a fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo, but having to empty my pockets, be padded down, and go through a metal detector to go on a roller coaster? Nope. I draw the line right there. I was thinking would it be better to do the pat-down and metal detectors at the end of the line if they really have to do it so people could have their phones in the queue...... but then I remembered my trips to Fuji-Q and the whole of Dodonpa being unlocked and re-checked because of a tissue in some-ones pocket. I think they also have this policy for battlestar at USS with the handheld metal detectors but that was a few years ago and thankfully the line was empty so it was a non-issue about getting bored in a queue. It was a shame though since half the good stuff like the cylon was in the queue-line and I had really wanted a picture of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philrad71 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 ^ I would be against any metal detectors on rides...either before the line, during or before you board. I could only imagine how lines would slow to a crawl because of this. And we certainly don't want American parks to be anything like Fuji-Q's operations!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tororific Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Actually, here's an idea - instead of installing metal detectors, why isn't there security hanging out in the onride photo booth, and every person they see with their cell phone out on the ride, escort them out of the park and trespass them from ever coming back. I personally think the biggest issue here why people think they can do whatever they want on rides is because there isn't enough repercussion for when someone does something against the rules. THIS. I firmly believe that if a park like Cedar Point had a very clear, visible signs stating "You WILL be ejected from the park if use your phone or any other items (cameras) on the ride. Security is reviewing this ride and WILL enforce ejection from the park." and then ENFORCE it with security cams, it will become known very quickly that your cell phone is a ticket to be ejected. And let's not kid ourselves, nowadays, that's the real risk to other passengers and people below -- it's the cellphone that is flying around, not the sunglasses, hats, lip balms and loose change that can really hurt people (although coins certainly can). I'm not in favor of having a draconian police environment, but I do think having people escorted out will change behavior. And at the risk of Robb's wrath, I also do think there is value in a few visible signs on rides that say "IF you lose any items, please go to lost and found at ____ to document them for potential retrieval from park staff" (or whatever). I do actually think that a good segment of our idiocracy thinks that when their iphone 6 (which shouldn't have been on the ride to start with) falls off a ride, it is gone forever (and it often is). And for some people the thought of being permanently without their phone causes some short-term panic that can cause the type of idiotic behavior we see here. TO BE CLEAR, I don't want to live in a world in which we attempt to govern all idiotic behavior and I think a park has ZERO responsibility for people that go into obviously restricted areas, but I do think most people don't know there is potential recourse (e.g., I just recently saw some guy trying to clamor into a restricted area on Skyrush before a security guy ran over and told him that they walk the perimeter of the course and scour the lake every day and collect items at lost and found). Anyway, the chances that even a clear sign would affect this guy or people like THIS is highly questionable, I know: (As a morbid side issue, I am surprised that there has been no report of any guest's legs being injured in this incident. I would have thought that, like the Top Gun incident in California, it's someone's foot, not the train, that hits the person?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBrylczyk Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) I'm not gonna bother commenting on how unbelievably stupid this person was, so I'll let Daniel Tosh do it for me. Skip to the one minute mark. Edited August 15, 2015 by KBrylczyk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyRush Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I'm not gonna bother commenting on how unbelievably stupid this person was, so I'll let Daniel Tosh do it for me. That's awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Am I the only person who is growing incredibly sick about hearing, and reading about the "man who got killed by Raptor" topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILinator Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Am I the only person who is growing incredibly sick about hearing, and reading about the "man who got killed by Raptor" topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) ^&^^ This is what I think about when I hear or see the 'Raptor Death' or 'Man killed by Raptor' topic: Edited August 15, 2015 by SharkTums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 ^&^^ This is what I think about when I hear or see the 'Raptor Death' or 'Man killed by Raptor' topic: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILinator Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 ^&^^ This is what I think about when I hear or see the 'Raptor Death' or 'Man killed by Raptor' topic: It's funny, I almost posted something along these lines last night, when I saw a headline for this incident that read "Man killed after entering restricted Raptor area!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 Am I the only person who is growing incredibly sick about hearing, and reading about the "man who got killed by Raptor" topic? There are two fairly huge topics that are surrounding the park right now. The first death at the park (I believe) in it's history (or at least a really long time), and a huge ride announcement that is coming up (at some point?) I'm sure it's going to be hard to get off either of those topics at the moment, so my suggestion is either come up with something that you think people will want to discuss or take a break from the topic. Just complaining about it isn't very productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasternut Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 ^ Here's something different Robb. This morning none of the 3 webcams are looking at any of their rides. 2 looking towards the lake and 1 at part of the Rougarou flowerbed. What's up with that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Speaking of the new coaster: Looking back through the article the Sandusky Register posted about the new Dive Machine coming to Cedar Point I came across this... “The Dive Coaster is one of the most exciting concepts to come along in coaster development in the last 35 years,” said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services Inc. Glad to that there are still people excited about the Dive Machine concept. I personally really really ... REALLY can't wait for the annocument. I really enjoy Dive Machines, and it's enough of a new addition to make us make another trip to Cedar Point next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 ^^ My guess is that it would have to do something with mourning the loss of a guest in the park. See, look, we have circled right back to that discussion again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBrylczyk Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 See, look, we have circled right back to that discussion again! Ah, perfect! Now I can't feel guilty about posting this dramatic re-enactment! [youtu_be] [/youtu_be] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordyC Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) The new roller coaster won't be named Valravn. The parc has abandonned the use of that name because it is now associated with the Raptor incident... Source: magicmountainlover EDIT: I just wanted to share this with you, guys. I don't believe it either until Cedar Point announces it, but I just wanted to share it. Edited August 15, 2015 by JordyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsencarson Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 ^Where is your proof? Source?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnumFreak25 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Umm... Proof? That's just been an opinion based rumor so far, so I'll believe it when I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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