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I don't know what it is about some people. Some find these rides incredibly dangerous, for the most part for no reason (looking at you Action Park) other than an excuse to be over-protective and then others break the rules with abandon assuming they'll always be Ok. I feel sorry for the guy's family of course but I just don't have any time for people who have other safe options to retrieve things, enjoy the ride, whatever... And then don't use them. Same for people who ignore the "Do not stand up" signs. What do they think is going to happen? Unless it's a stand up ride, don't stand where you're not supposed to. Is that really so hard to follow? I guess in the heat of the moment, misjudgements are made and unfortunately, it cost someone their life this time. Same as it has before. It's still just so unnecessary.

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to be honest they hyped this coaster up so much to where i dont even care anymore.

That's actually a really unfair comment. The park actually hasn't hyped it up much at all other than putting a countdown clock up and sending out invites. Everyone ELSE has been pouring on the hype. I honestly can't believe someone would say that, but I guess we've seen quite a few amazing examples of stupidity lately.

i was talking about the coaster wall but since you are the "big and bad" robb alvey i guess i have to obey you

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My only real thought is maybe there's something themed around death for the new coaster? It is a dark theme, so I guess that's possible.

 

The name of the coaster is Valravn, so perhaps they are thinking about retheming because ravens are supposed to bring, you know, death.

 

This is the most ridiculous situation, and the Roller Coaster Capital of the World doesn't need this. So so so so so frustrating.

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to be honest they hyped this coaster up so much to where i dont even care anymore.

That's actually a really unfair comment. The park actually hasn't hyped it up much at all other than putting a countdown clock up and sending out invites. Everyone ELSE has been pouring on the hype. I honestly can't believe someone would say that, but I guess we've seen quite a few amazing examples of stupidity lately.

i was talking about the coaster wall but since you are the "big and bad" robb alvey i guess i have to obey you

 

I am assuming you were born in 1999? Im glad your into roller coasters, and at a young age is great! No need to name call though. Roller coasters are meant to be fun. I would hate to see a young poster be banned!

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My only real thought is maybe there's something themed around death for the new coaster? It is a dark theme, so I guess that's possible.

 

The name of the coaster is Valravn, so perhaps they are thinking about retheming because ravens are supposed to bring, you know, death.

 

This is the most ridiculous situation, and the Roller Coaster Capital of the World doesn't need this. So so so so so frustrating.

Well, 20 years ago, CP ended up going with Mantas instead of Banshee, and as far as I know, that was simply because of how 'dark/edgy" the Banshee name was, and had nothing to do with any particular incident at CP or CF. Now that something has actually occurred, and so close to the announcement no less, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're postponing the announcement to rename/retheme the ride.

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to be honest they hyped this coaster up so much to where i dont even care anymore.

That's actually a really unfair comment. The park actually hasn't hyped it up much at all other than putting a countdown clock up and sending out invites. Everyone ELSE has been pouring on the hype. I honestly can't believe someone would say that, but I guess we've seen quite a few amazing examples of stupidity lately.

i was talking about the coaster wall but since you are the "big and bad" robb alvey i guess i have to obey you

 

Okay, let's get a grip on the situation. A "coaster wall" is literally the least hype-worthy thing Cedar Point could have done to promote this new attraction. On top of that stupidity, name bashing only shows more immaturity. There is nothing wrong with not caring anymore about the announcement of a new attraction, but I'm willing to bet the real hype only came from your own participation in the rumors, speculation, and recent leaks -- NOT because of Cedar Point.

 

If Alton Towers has a safety malfunction that injures a train full of riders, nobody on this board panics, but when a single idiot essentially kills himself at Cedar Point, everybody loses their minds!

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My only real thought is maybe there's something themed around death for the new coaster? It is a dark theme, so I guess that's possible.

 

The name of the coaster is Valravn, so perhaps they are thinking about retheming because ravens are supposed to bring, you know, death.

 

This is the most ridiculous situation, and the Roller Coaster Capital of the World doesn't need this. So so so so so frustrating.

Well, 20 years ago, CP ended up going with Mantas instead of Banshee, and as far as I know, that was simply because of how 'dark/edgy" the Banshee name was, and had nothing to do with any particular incident at CP or CF. Now that something has actually occurred, and so close to the announcement no less, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're postponing the announcement to rename/retheme the ride.

 

Dive 232 is on!!!

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I really hope they don't rethem/rename the ride, I for one thing Valravn is a great name, plus it fits the diving coaster.

 

I mean if they want to change the name, I hope it's something to do with Falcons, but I feel as if that would be way to similar to Raptor since Falcon's are raptors. I mean, Falcons are known for their stoops which are the high speed vertical dives.

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Every additional detail I hear about the Raptor just makes me shake my head more and more. 40-something? School teacher? Why the flying f**k did this guy, who ABSOLUTELY should have known better, decide to ignore all posted and printed warnings, intentionally climb fences and go into restricted areas, end up directly in the path of an oncoming train, and somehow not realize the train was going to hit him?

 

Honestly, this almost sounds like suicide by coaster. Because it seems almost impossible that this happened the way it did by accident.

 

Yes, it's a tragedy that someone died, but this is the sort of tragedy that should be 100% completely preventable by following directions and obeying posted warnings. Too many damn people in this world feel that the rules don't apply to them and/or that they're invincible.

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If Alton Towers has a safety malfunction that injures a train full of riders, nobody on this board panics, but when a single idiot essentially kills himself at Cedar Point, everybody loses their minds!

 

Well Alton Towers seemed to handle the situation pretty well. Plus, I haven't heard about any large announcements they were due to make about new coasters and such like. Awkward timing and circumstances more than anything else.

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If Alton Towers has a safety malfunction that injures a train full of riders, nobody on this board panics, but when a single idiot essentially kills himself at Cedar Point, everybody loses their minds!

Again, what is with these kinds of posts?!?!? We had over 24,000 views on the Smiler accident page and then about 500 posts after it. Where are you getting your data?!?!? Not from TPR because it's not correct.

 

And on another note - even if your data was right... WHO CARES?!?! Is it a contest on how much we talk about one tragedy versus the other???

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I don't quite get the postponement of the announcement. If the death had been at all the parks fault, or a child had died, or an onride death I would understand, but this seems like too much. I suppose they want to avoid the "Cedar Point, where a guest died last week, announced their big new coaster today" headline on the news but if they wait till next month it will just be "Cedar Point, where a guest died last month, announced their big new coaster today". As callous as it may sound, people will get over this quickly as most of us still understand that this was a really dumb decision made entirely by a guest where the park did everything they could.

 

Maybe this being the parks 'first official death' has them being overly cautious.

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It really makes me wonder if a rename is going to happen considering Valravn, like others said, is a name completely correleated to death. (Ravens who consume the bodies of the dead on the battlefield) Especially being so close to Raptor as well, they might just be trying to avoid any further trouble. Just speculating but it's an idea.

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I don't quite get the postponement of the announcement. If the death had been at all the parks fault, or a child had died, or an onride death I would understand, but this seems like too much. I suppose they want to avoid the "Cedar Point, where a guest died last week, announced their big new coaster today" headline on the news but if they wait till next month it will just be "Cedar Point, where a guest died last month, announced their big new coaster today". As callous as it may sound, people will get over this quickly as most of us still understand that this was a really dumb decision made entirely by a guest where the park did everything they could.

 

Maybe this being the parks 'first official death' has them being overly cautious.

 

I agree, and even Raptor is open already, wouldn't it make more sense to postpone the opening of the ride that killed someone (do to the own guests fault) then to push back an announcement that isn't really correlated to it at all.

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^ & ^^

 

I agree that the only reason to postpone the announcement that makes sense to me is a complete renaming/re-theming of the ride, especially with Raptor opening back up today. That, or waiting a significant amount of time to distance the park/announcement from the tragedy.

 

If the assumed Valravn name and theme is correct, I'm sure a lot of people/media could find CP to be distasteful and unsympathetic to the tragedy that just happened if they announced the new coaster as planned.

 

I doubt the park would delay their announcement if they didn't feel it necessary or a good PR move. Cedar Point's PR department is pretty spot on.

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I don't quite get the postponement of the announcement. If the death had been at all the parks fault, or a child had died, or an onride death I would understand, but this seems like too much. I suppose they want to avoid the "Cedar Point, where a guest died last week, announced their big new coaster today" headline on the news but if they wait till next month it will just be "Cedar Point, where a guest died last month, announced their big new coaster today". As callous as it may sound, people will get over this quickly as most of us still understand that this was a really dumb decision made entirely by a guest where the park did everything they could.

 

Maybe this being the parks 'first official death' has them being overly cautious.

 

I agree, and even Raptor is open already, wouldn't it make more sense to postpone the opening of the ride that killed someone (do to the own guests fault) then to push back an announcement that isn't really correlated to it at all.

I disagree.... the story of how the "innocent schoolteacher" who "just loved riding roller coasters with his friends" was tragically killed while looking for his oh-so-important phone has been making national headlines. that will be enough for the GP to associate all things Cedar Point with "bad". The best thing would be for the park to wait until this has died down and then hopefully move on from this terrible, but avoidable incident.

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^And you may in fact be right, but that just depresses me more! We live in a society where it's the parks fault that this idiot did something stupid and a place where someone sues a restaurant that specializes in throwing rolls for getting hit with a throwed roll.

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The articles I've read though do seem to make it fairly clear that the responsibility lies with the teacher and not Cedar Point. And since the park seems to have returned to fairly normal operation, maybe something else is going on? Still kind of undecided about this but I guess, in time, we'll find out anyway.

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If Alton Towers has a safety malfunction that injures a train full of riders, nobody on this board panics, but when a single idiot essentially kills himself at Cedar Point, everybody loses their minds!

Again, what is with these kinds of posts?!?!? We had over 24,000 views on the Smiler accident page and then about 500 posts after it. Where are you getting your data?!?!? Not from TPR because it's not correct.

 

And on another note - even if your data was right... WHO CARES?!?! Is it a contest on how much we talk about one tragedy versus the other???

 

I knew I should have put the disclaimer -- *This is not a serious statement but a parody based on a quote from the Joker's character in The Dark Knight.

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I see a re-theme coming for sure. No matter how the park could spin it, unfortunately the media will not be able to report on the announcement of the new coaster without mention of the incident. I don't think the media or GP is making it out to be the parks fault, in general people seem to agree the guy did something he was not supposed to. Most comments I see on news sites and social media are "such a stupid thing to do, etc". I'm honestly surprised how minimal the "roller coasters need to be torn down" stuff is with this one - Talon getting stuck on the lift in the rain last week made all the local news around here and the comments on the sites were out of control.

 

But the media will be quick to point out the theme of the ride and how it connects to the death and it makes the park look insensitive. It's unfortunate for the park, but it's unavoidable. CP's PR team knows this and no doubt they are making some adjustments behind the scenes. Honestly, it doesn't really matter since they haven't confirmed anything about the ride so they can still change/do whatever they want.

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^And you may in fact be right, but that just depresses me more! We live in a society where it's the parks fault that this idiot did something stupid and a place where someone sues a restaurant that specializes in throwing rolls for getting hit with a throwed roll.

 

Or the lady that sued McDonalds for not having a hot label on coffee cups. Then there's somebody who sued a fast food place for only getting one napkin with their meal. The list just goes on and on. If people just used some common sense and follow the rules, there wouldn't be so many restrictions and dollars wasted on safety warnings everywhere.

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I don't see why anything needs to be changed regarding the (soon to be announced) ride itself.

 

It's better to wait for this media storm to die off before making your next big announcement. Or else the media will inevitably headline "Cedar Point unveils next big thrill ride, only days after man dies at park." Let Kim Kardashian fall down the stairs, and another Donald Trump media fiasco take over the public's attention first.

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I'm not sure how effective a name change would be at this point. All the leaks have made it on to the news and into papers already. They can't really hide the fact that it existed anymore. If I had to guess I'd say they'll wait a week or two for all the coverage to die down then announce the ride.

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^And you may in fact be right, but that just depresses me more! We live in a society where it's the parks fault that this idiot did something stupid and a place where someone sues a restaurant that specializes in throwing rolls for getting hit with a throwed roll.

 

Or the lady that sued McDonalds for not having a hot label on coffee cups. Then there's somebody who sued a fast food place for only getting one napkin with their meal. The list just goes on and on. If people just used some common sense and follow the rules, there wouldn't be so many restrictions and dollars wasted on safety warnings everywhere.

You know, there's some interesting research that shows safety warnings may actually be making us less safe. Possibly we're assuming if there's no warning against it, it must be fine; or perhaps we just see so many warnings that we don't really take them seriously. WARNING: DEATH IMMINENT would seem a lot scarier if it weren't attached to toasters.

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