Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

[FeelTheFORCE]

Cedar Point spokesman Bryan Edwards said Maverick was tested over the past few weeks with water-filled dummies aboard, but no people have made the trip, which includes a 105-foot opening drop that goes five degrees past vertical.

 

Does this mean that the drop might be altered, too? I wondered how a 3-car train could manage to be safely launched over a 95-degree drop. If the train went just a little bit too fast, that could cause some dangerous forces for the back-seat riders. I can easily see them modifying that part to put in some brakes.

 

Instead of brakes, couldn't they just make the launch a little slower?

[crazydaveh]

I tried to cancel my reservation for next week and was told that Maverick's problems don't get you a full refund. I spoke with a supervisor who sounded like she had a day full of similar calls and she told me, "sorry, we have many other coasters which we expect to be open for you to enjoy."

 

Being this will be my first trip to CP, I told her ok, but I'm still ticked! Oh well. I threw in a, "At least Disney, Universal, and the Whale here in Orlando know how to open things on time" before I hung up.

 

I guess I'll just yell at the construction workers for no reason next week while I'm there.

[ginzo]

I'm confused.

 

By reading so many posts by so called "enthusiasts" even from this site, it's really aggravating to see these people that want their money back, or some sort of compensation from CP.

 

That's just plain STUPID!! GET A FREAKIN' LIFE!!! The world DOES NOT revolve around you, nor your LACK of common sense, nor your INABILITY to read!

 

Robb & Elissa have MANY TIMES OVER reiterated the problems of trying to hit a specific coaster on opening day/weekend, whatever. Yet you ignore it. Look at the schedules of ANY of the trips they have planned: there is always a contingency plan for weather, traffic and any other situation that may arise.

 

Why do they do that?? To make sure that their plans are not dependant on a specific ride being open, or weather delays related to their schedule.

 

Suppose it rained all weekend to the extent that only steeplechase and the antique autos were open?? You still going to BLAME Cedar Point for that? Demand some sort of compensation? If you do, you are certainly a moron.

 

I too, have spent money on airline tickets to hit CP on June 1. Big deal. It won't be open. So now I've altered my plans, and we're going to drive to Valleyfair (instead of flying) by way of IB and the Dells.

 

It's a vacation, people. Treat it like one and make the best of your plans.

 

Failure to plan well, is planning to fail well. It appears that many of you have already done that. I feel NO pity for any of you.

 

 

JJ

 

Angry enough?

[jjeerr]

Has anyone said anything related to aquatrax yet?

 

If not:

 

THEY'RE TURING IT INTO AN AQUATRAX!!!!!

 

(sucks for everyone that was planning on going opening day)

[GMAN962]

I'm confused.

 

By reading so many posts by so called "enthusiasts" even from this site, it's really aggravating to see these people that want their money back, or some sort of compensation from CP.

 

That's just plain STUPID!! GET A FREAKIN' LIFE!!! The world DOES NOT revolve around you, nor your LACK of common sense, nor your INABILITY to read!

 

Robb & Elissa have MANY TIMES OVER reiterated the problems of trying to hit a specific coaster on opening day/weekend, whatever. Yet you ignore it. Look at the schedules of ANY of the trips they have planned: there is always a contingency plan for weather, traffic and any other situation that may arise.

 

Why do they do that?? To make sure that their plans are not dependant on a specific ride being open, or weather delays related to their schedule.

 

Suppose it rained all weekend to the extent that only steeplechase and the antique autos were open?? You still going to BLAME Cedar Point for that? Demand some sort of compensation? If you do, you are certainly a moron.

 

I too, have spent money on airline tickets to hit CP on June 1. Big deal. It won't be open. So now I've altered my plans, and we're going to drive to Valleyfair (instead of flying) by way of IB and the Dells.

 

It's a vacation, people. Treat it like one and make the best of your plans.

 

Failure to plan well, is planning to fail well. It appears that many of you have already done that. I feel NO pity for any of you.

 

 

JJ

 

Agreed. By buying tickets, and going to a park, you've got to acknowledge a few things.

 

Not everything will always be open. The park cannot control the world.

 

Even if one ride isn't open, there are others.

 

A deal is a deal! you can still have fun without the *OMGZ I NEED 2 RIDE NOW*

 

Guys, it'll open eventually. Get over it, the ride isn't opening on May 12th.

 

So what? It'll still open eventually.

 

This message also has gotta go out to the pointbuzz people...I know you're reading.

 

Remember, it's

Quanity

Quality

Saftey

 

In that order

 

-Mike

[Carnage]

Being this will be my first trip to CP, I told her ok, but I'm still ticked! Oh well. I threw in a, "At least Disney, Universal, and the Whale here in Orlando know how to open things on time" before I hung up.

 

Just curious, but does Disney give refunds for when it's attractions are closed for rehab?

 

Cause I sure didn't get anything both times Splash Mountain and Space Mountain have been closed.

[OldJJman]

Angry enough?

 

Not at all.

 

Only angry at the MORONS that think they are owed something by CP for their ride not being opened.

 

I plan on having a great time on my trip even w/o CP.

 

 

JJ

[nannerdw]

Instead of brakes, couldn't they just make the launch a little slower?

 

I was talking about the sharp top of the first drop, but I guess that is not the part being modified.

 

It does look like they have some room to extend the heartline roll if that quck transition is the problem, though.

http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=6449

[FeelTheFORCE]

Instead of brakes, couldn't they just make the launch a little slower?

 

I was talking about the sharp top of the first drop, but I guess that is not the part being modified.

 

I know you were, and so was I. I was saying that couldn't they just make it so you go up the hill a little slower? Instead of having to add brakes?

[coastrfreak2000]

If the launch is slowed or the brakes after the launch are applied more to slow the heartline...wouldn't that make the rest of the course pretty lame?

[missingmusician]

I think the only accident that i have ever heard of from B&M was the hulk rollback and as far as i am aware nobody was injured, and besides that i don't think B&M had anything to do with the launch part of the hulk where it rolled back.

B&M Refused to get involved with the launch system on Hulk. They designed the ride, but not the launch system.

[downunder]

I'm kind of used to it, the only reason I would go to Magic Mountain would be to ride X and it is down every time I go, at least Cedar Point has some other great coasters I would go there just to ride.

[Shockwave]

I'm gonna bet that the ride won't be open by the time I'm there. In fact I'm pretty positive I'm gonna miss the opening by a matter of days!

 

Lucky for me, my trip isn't solely based around Maverick, so missing out on one of about 120 coasters doesn't bother me so much, especially when it was one of the rides I expected NOT to be open.

[Louise]

While I agree with everything Robb said about how Intamin pushes the envelope more than any other company in its field, and that, as a result, there will be more complications, I still feel that it begs the question... shouldn't they actually, ya know, perfect the technology before constantly offering it to parks?

 

To give an analogy, Sony really pushed the envelope with the "PSP", does that mean that nobody should complain about the dead pixels and poor button construction? Should they instead just chalk up their losses to "the inherent problems of envelope pushing"?

 

A car company could make the fastest, smoothest, most well-handling car on Earth, but should it be marketed if it doesn't work half the time?

 

GREAT analogy, but I only partly agree with your sentiments. You're totally right that people shouldn't necessarily have to chalk up their losses to "inherent problems", but at the same time, it's a risk you take. When the iPod was first announced I was ridiculously excited about it, but I didn't buy a 1st Gen one because I knew full well that the 2nd Gen would be far better. I was right, and glad that I waited, and each generation has only gotten better... When I saw the 3Gs, I wished I'd waited for one of those, but whatever. My point is, when a new console comes out, or an MP3 player, a car, or when a new coaster opens, you have two choices: either go for instant gratification and take the risk that what you get might not be as good as you hoped, there'll be flaws that need ironing out, etc, or else you wait until you know the product will be more reliable, and likely much improved.

 

The difference between buying a new electronic product and going to a park to ride a new ride is that if you buy a new console and the screen cracks, you have every right to ask for it to be fixed/replaced, that's part of your warranty. When you book park tickets/accommodation/flights, there's no refund policy that states that if a particular coaster doesn't open, you get your money back. It doesn't work that way. And you know that full well. I'm not saying you all shouldn't be upset but... It's a risk you take. *shrug*

[Shockwave]

^Totally agreed Lou. But apparently some people still can't figure that out yet.

[Divv3k]

To be honest Tom I can't believe you're not on the phone to Cedar Point right now demanding they reimburse you the full cost of your trip!

[DRACHEN_FIRE_FAN-BOY]

yeah, this sucks pretty bad, but I kinda saw it coming.....

 

but, I still LOVE Intamin...erm...... IntaRides

[Shockwave]

To be honest Tom I can't believe you're not on the phone to Cedar Point right now demanding they reimburse you the full cost of your trip!

 

Maybe I should. I can get my Japan deposit settled early!

[robbalvey]

You don't drop 20+ million into a project, and then calmfully announce just before media day that the opening has been delayed,

You obviously haven't worked on many 20 million dollar projects.

 

--Robb

[Carnage]

The more expensive something is, the more complicated it probably is.

 

The more complicated it is, the more likely that something can go wrong.

[Milkchan]

Are the new parts going to be free for Cedar Point?

If Cedar Point was to take the canyon out, do you think they will put up new one in the 2007 season or just wait until the 2008 season?

[asr]

Are the new parts going to be free for Cedar Point?

If Cedar Point was to take the canyon out, do you think they will put up new one in the 2007 season or just wait until the 2008 season?

 

I'm betting that if the canyon gets taken out, we won't see it until 2008, if at all.

[Garet]

Robb what was the Kumba incident you referred to a couple of pages back? Don't think i ever heard about it though i will go try and look it up.

 

Rob

[Louise]

Robb what was the Kumba incident you referred to a couple of pages back? Don't think i ever heard about it though i will go try and look it up.

 

Rob

 

I don't know if this was the incident Robb was referring to but I'm sure there was something years back (maybe even a decade) where a young girl died on Kumba, but I'm pretty sure it was a medical condition. I want to say her MOTHER even got blamed because she drank during her pregnancy or something, though I may be getting that confused with a different incident.

 

Boredom + insomnia + morbid curiosity sometimes causes me to read about this stuff, I think I actually do absorb things occasionally!

[robbalvey]

I hope CP Resorts allows people to cancel reservations without penalty, and takes some measures to make up for this.

 

I've got the notice right in front of me.

 

It's a $50 cancelation fee if more then 72 hours is given. Less then 72 hours you lose your deposit (one nights stay).

 

But I do believe you can change the date of a reservation without charge.

 

Why should they make up for this? The park is called Cedar Point, not Maverick.

 

Sure it sucks if it's not open, but it's a big park with lots to do.

Exactly. There are a lot of other rides there to go on. Heck, I'm willing to put a weeks worth of salary on the table that says there will be a lot of resort guests over the course of the downtime that won't give two shits that the ride isn't open yet. Many of them might be more upset if they turned up to the park to find Magnum closed for whatever reason.

 

Just because the ride YOU wanted to ride is closed doesn't mean all of a sudden refunds start flying left and right.

 

Did Disneyland refund resort guests hotel stays when Splash Mountain was delayed nearly a year? What about Walt Disney World guests when Test Track was delayed more than two years?

 

And these weren't even major roller coasters! It was FREAKING SPLASH MOUNTAIN!!!

 

See what I'm getting at here?

 

All of you who are freaking out, demanding refunds, claiming that cancellation policies should be changed, yadda, yadda really are going a bit over the top.

 

Rides get delayed all the time. It's not that big of a deal...really, it's not. You're survive.

 

--Robb