Freestyle23 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 That problem can be fixed if they just add another can or 2 at each spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanreich Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 That problem can be fixed if they just add another can or 2 at each spot. Then they'll just wait until a day after the 3rd can gets full to empty them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Are the current trains on Revolution the original trains, just altered, or are they "new" trains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) I believe they are the "original" in the sense that new trains have never been purchased outright, but over the course of time everything has been replaced. A restoration will take the ride from terrible to slightly above average IMO, so I'm totally indifferent about this. Â Plus, what happened to "state laws preventing this" like Tim Burkhart said all those years ago? Edited September 8, 2015 by Jew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Monte Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Full Throttle and Twisted Colossus happened to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dippindotsguy8 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Plus, what happened to "state laws preventing this" like Tim Burkhart said all those years ago? Â My guess is that.... Â 1. That excuse was complete BS, or 2. The fact that they are getting completely new trains allows it, as opposed to simply taking the harnesses off the existing trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saweetdude05 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Have they said how many new trains they will be getting? Will they just buy 2 or is it getting 3 trains again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire2box Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Have they said how many new trains they will be getting? Will they just buy 2 or is it getting 3 trains again? Â Knowing six flags just 2 trains, which I think is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freestyle23 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 How much of the girl getting sick and dying after riding Revolution made this happen. Do you think that is the main reason why they did this? Besides the obvious success of TC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterkid124 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 ^I don't think any of this has to do with that. It was determined that she had a pre-existing condition, and the ride was mechanically sound at the time of the incident. The upgrades are to make the ride better, and hopefully attract more interest from people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanreich Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Plus, what happened to "state laws preventing this" like Tim Burkhart said all those years ago? Â My guess is that.... Â 1. That excuse was complete BS, or 2. The fact that they are getting completely new trains allows it, as opposed to simply taking the harnesses off the existing trains. #2 is correct. It was basically a white lie. The real answer was yes they could, but with new trains. So the effective answer was no, because they weren't going to be adding new trains anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singemfrc Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 If anyone didn't get a ticket for WCB (SFMM day only), I had a guest cancel pretty last minute and will have an extra (SF Passholder) ticket for sale, face value only, first come first served. Posting this in WCB and SFMM threads, I hope that's not too obnoxious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersOnly Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) As far as cleanliness is concerned, who really cares...I mean, your ticket prices are going to be higher if they spend more on that stuff...I think most people would rather have some overflowing trash cans or stuff like that then to pay even more for a season pass or whatever. We're all in it just for the coasters. Â I remember working at Disney World and some older woman there saying she'd never been to Universal Studios because she heard it was dirty. I pretty much laughed my head off about that afterwards. Sure, miss out on two parks that have far more top-tier attractions than all of DW put together if you're above the age of 11 because of some silly nonsense someone said about the park being dirty. And hell, they did implement extra work for custodians and others during the time while not hiring many new workers when I visited Universal Orlando some six years ago and it turned out to be a fantastic cost saving device that contributed to the park posting record profits in spite of muted attendance growth (Potter was being built) and lower merchandise sales because of the economy. I mean, if you want a park that's going to be super focused on atmosphere, cleanliness and hospitality, then by all means go somewhere like Disneyland and enjoy paying $110 to get in...I think the rest of us that just want to ride some sweet coasters don't mind Six Flags cutting back on costs and making it come out to like $5-10 a visit for my girlfriend and I with the season pass. Edited September 9, 2015 by CoastersOnly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeoplemoverMatt Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 My guess is that.... 1. That excuse was complete BS, or 2. The fact that they are getting completely new trains allows it, as opposed to simply taking the harnesses off the existing trains.  Who cares. Revolution will once again ride OTSR-free, and hopefully won't look like a sad shell of its former self anymore. That's what matters here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersOnly Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Yep, it's going to be a smoother and less painful ride with a few neat new touches. Â I'm a little worried about Gold Rusher and Ninja because the last time my girlfriend and I went (mid-week in May 2014), they actually had people giving oral questionaires to visitors waiting in line and they asked specifically about only those two coasters (after a few general questions) and whether or not we'd be riding them. We told the woman that we'd been there yesterday and rode every single coaster (except for Revolution which was down for annual maintenance) and she was then able to finish the survey right there. Clearly, they're looking at those two coasters as well for future upgrades and/or removal. I really hope they don't lose either as they're fun rides and both are unique compared to the rest of the park's offerings...MM has a world-class array of coasters that all offer a different experience with the only real overlap being between Revolution and Full Throttle (to some extent...type of cars, track color, focus on the loop, location, etc.). Ninja in particular is a lot more fun than people give it credit for and a very unique kind of ride that you don't see in most places, even if I'm sure a lot of its appeal has winnowed thanks to the removal of the trees (boo!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Plus, what happened to "state laws preventing this" like Tim Burkhart said all those years ago? Â My guess is that.... Â 1. That excuse was complete BS, or 2. The fact that they are getting completely new trains allows it, as opposed to simply taking the harnesses off the existing trains. #2 is correct. It was basically a white lie. The real answer was yes they could, but with new trains. So the effective answer was no, because they weren't going to be adding new trains anytime soon. Â Actually, it's #1. #2 is just the convenient thing to say now. There was never a law that mandated OTSR's. I always thought it was funny Tim said that. Â Regardless, it's an upgrade. I'm still totally indifferent because I think the ride is only going to turn out marginally better and the reason people are so excited is nostalgia. But to each their own...at least it's not a Larson super loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 It was always an obvious lie, as Montezooma is an hour away and has never had OSTRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Monte Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I agree that it doesn't matter to me the reason anymore. The fact is the otsr are coming off. Â It may not be a high thrill coaster anymore, but it will be an awesome mid range coaster for families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanreich Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 There was never a law that mandated OTSR's. I always thought it was funny Tim said that. Correct, what I meant was there is indeed a law preventing them from removing them after they have been added, which is why it was half true. at least it's not a Larson super loop. Oh man, I'm so happy it's not a Larson loop, although I don't know if we'll be so lucky in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I think it's great if they're using the original chassis, just taking off the OTSR's and using another companies restraints. Keeps the ride original as possible while giving us exactly what we want. The old ride, with new updated restraints. As long as my heads not banging against those stupid things, it becomes an old classic again, and gives something the younger crowd who haven't been on the bigger rides before something to start off with. Revolution was my first looping coaster, and I remember being so terrified, but it was so amazing once it was all said and done. Â The best thing about this is that they have the somewhat passive aggressive "Have a heart do your part" message, while they aren't even doing their part. If you're gonna have sassy trash cans, you better be on your A-game. Â Seriously! Or just have more effing trash cans. Or find a MORE efficient way to keep them empty, as well as clean. I was an employee for a year at Magic Mountain, and the issue with this company is NOT that it's something very easy to fix, it's that NOBODY THINKS IT'S THEIR JOB TO FIX IT!!! So they don't do it! Talk about a lack of pride in the company you work for...and the hardest thing to break that culture is the people that have been there the longest are the people that are in charge encouraging this type of lackadaisical mentality. I worked there because I loved the place, but all anyone ever tried to do was discourage me to go above and beyond and it got old so I moved on to bigger and better things. It's a big part of why IMO the park is still has the half assed money grab appearance to this day. Â Ironically, I like the coasters and so do my friends, so I bit yesterday and paid for the membership (5.99/month) after doing the $20 down payment just because about 2-3 times a year friends want to go and the pass provides free parking and cheap days for us to go and ride. Perhaps I was mistaken about the meal plan though, as I thought it was $12.99 per month to ADD the meal plan, not get your membership at a total of $12.99 per month including the plan. Â Did I miss something? I saw $6 per month X 12 months = $72 for a membership, PLUS $13 per month X 12 months = $160 for a meal plan for a total of $232 per year which I was not going to pay. Not only have my dining experiences at the park been mediocre, I'd rather leave and take a break spending more money at a nice local sit down restaurant, then return and have the night sesh with a couple beers in me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanreich Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 ^I actually thought they've stepped up their food game quite a bit this year, specifically with the Go Fresh Cafe and related options throughout the park (meatless meatball sandwiches, the nice giant salads in Food Etc., Twisted Wiches, and more). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 There was never a law that mandated OTSR's. I always thought it was funny Tim said that. Correct, what I meant was there is indeed a law preventing them from removing them after they have been added, which is why it was half true. at least it's not a Larson super loop. Oh man, I'm so happy it's not a Larson loop, although I don't know if we'll be so lucky in 2017. Â That's not true either. All they ALWAYS needed to do was essentially tell the state "hey, come check out this modification we made. Here's the proper paperwork" and then have them approve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmcdllr Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 There was never a law that mandated OTSR's. I always thought it was funny Tim said that. Correct, what I meant was there is indeed a law preventing them from removing them after they have been added, which is why it was half true. at least it's not a Larson super loop. Oh man, I'm so happy it's not a Larson loop, although I don't know if we'll be so lucky in 2017. Â That's not true either. All they ALWAYS needed to do was essentially tell the state "hey, come check out this modification we made. Here's the proper paperwork" and then have them approve it. Â Â So..... they just didn't want to make the effort before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedved82491 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 ^I think it was established that they didn't want to remove the OTSR's for insurance reasons, but it was easier for them to lie and say it wasn't permitted. Buying new trains or updating the restraint system on the trains would allow them to remove the OTSR's (much like they're doing now) however in the past, they had no reason to remove the OTSR's as it wasn't a priority, and ridership was still fairly stable. Now that it's an anniversary and enough people have bitched about it, they're finally updating the ride and marketing it as a "new" ride of sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJeXeL Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Modifying existing ride vehicles and purchasing new ride vehicles are 2 different scenarios in terms of "approvals." Purchasing new trains just maybe wasn't in the budget until this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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