Vonni Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Too bad that is not a real five year plan for the Park, because that would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koasterking48 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Bring back Kinzel How about no. Kinzel was beyond ready to retire by the time he did. Sure he helped bring record-breaking coasters is to all of the parks, but Ouimet is doing a fantastic job with rounding out the park's lineup and bring a better overall welcoming atmosphere. It's almost a quality over quantity discussion with comparing the two. Sure we all aren't too impressed with nearly every park receiving a B&M in recent years, but they are still smart investments for the parks regardless of an enthusiast's opinion of them. Ouimet is a worthy, if not better, successor to Kinzel. Cedar Fair will still be innovative and record-breaking, just maybe not with Intamin for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillrider Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Does anyone know if they started test runs on rougagoo (sp) yet? It's getting close to opening time and really have not heard much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMarkSta Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 There was vine today posted by Tony Clark of them testing the floor dropping out. I would assume test runs start this weekend or next week. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Edit: ^ Beat me to it. ^^No, but they're testing the floor today. [vine]https://vine.co/v/ez6tAXE9iha[/vine] And they posted a new picture of the station. Tony Clark's Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PVA62 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 ^the station looks like a Monster energy drink can. Makes me wish they just started from scratch on the station but oh well... I am looking forward to riding Rougarou during Coasting for Kids, at least it will be way better than the torture that was Mantis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glucky11801 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 ^the station looks like a Monster energy drink can. I was thinking the very same thing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necoastergp Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 At least the station is clean now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Bring back KinzelCedar Fair will still be innovative and record-breaking, just maybe not with Intamin for a while. They haven't done anything innovative since Maverick, IMO. And I feel like under Kinzel RMC would've already had their influence at Cedar Fair parks instead of just one B&M after the next *yawn* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkFunk Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Bring back KinzelCedar Fair will still be innovative and record-breaking, just maybe not with Intamin for a while. They haven't done anything innovative since Maverick, IMO. And I feel like under Kinzel RMC would've already had their influence at Cedar Fair parks instead of just one B&M after the next *yawn* In that case, Kinzel had 2008-2012 to innovate and the park wound up with a log flume that doesn't work correctly, a tower swing ride that doesn't work correctly, some Christmas lights, and some animatronic dinosaurs. If he was still around the hotel would still suck and you'd probably still be getting B&Ms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterkyle Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Based on his location .... I think he's biased to one of the so. cal parks (Magic Mountian). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Based on his location .... I think he's biased to one of the so. cal parks (Magic Mountian). If you're referring to me, CP is my fave park. Not sure what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Password121 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 This is kind of a stupid argument. No, Cedar Point hasn't really created anything notably "innovative" in the last few years, but they've also only added one coaster in the last eight years. I'd actually have a hard time calling Maverick innovative. Yes, it's very unique, it's a great ride, very intense, very different than most coasters, but not new technology. Plenty of coasters beforehand went beyond vertical, two launches, overbanks, etc. Quick transitions are not an innovation. Anyways, that's besides the point. Is it EVER realistic to expect every single new coaster to be innovative? That's how you end up with flops like the original Bat at Kings Island. MF and Dragster were innovative, sure. Actually, looking further into this, the Mantis/Rougarou conversion could be considered innovative. First of its kind conversion. Something new, never done before. End of the day, we don't know what would have happened the last few years with Kinzel still in charge. However, you can't blame Ouimet for anything up to this point. Cedar Point, in my view, has been wildly successful since Kinzel handed over the keys. On top of that, the chain has been successful. Let's face it--Fury 325 probably wouldn't be a thing with Kinzel in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 This is kind of a stupid argument. No, Cedar Point hasn't really created anything notably "innovative" in the last few years, but they've also only added one coaster in the last eight years. I'd actually have a hard time calling Maverick innovative. Yes, it's very unique, it's a great ride, very intense, very different than most coasters, but not new technology. Plenty of coasters beforehand went beyond vertical, two launches, overbanks, etc. Quick transitions are not an innovation.Anyways, that's besides the point. Is it EVER realistic to expect every single new coaster to be innovative? That's how you end up with flops like the original Bat at Kings Island. MF and Dragster were innovative, sure. Actually, looking further into this, the Mantis/Rougarou conversion could be considered innovative. First of its kind conversion. Something new, never done before. End of the day, we don't know what would have happened the last few years with Kinzel still in charge. However, you can't blame Ouimet for anything up to this point. Cedar Point, in my view, has been wildly successful since Kinzel handed over the keys. On top of that, the chain has been successful. Let's face it--Fury 325 probably wouldn't be a thing with Kinzel in charge. Just because new technology isnt used doesn't mean a ride can't be innovative. Magnum XL didnt use any new technology, yet its one of the most iconic rides of all time. And Maverick is without doubt a trend-setter in today's amusement world. The mega-lites, i305, Skyrush, LR are all derivatives of Maverick. Maverick was a curveball thrown in the midst bigger, taller, faster wars. Suddenly we're seeing parks install more compact yet intense rides rides that stay low to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Ugh... this seems to have been the longest off season ever. We have a VIP Tour at Cedar Point coming up, and it can not get here soon enough!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkFunk Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Just because new technology isnt used doesn't mean a ride can't be innovative. Magnum XL didnt use any new technology, yet its one of the most iconic rides of all time. And Maverick is without doubt a trend-setter in today's amusement world. The mega-lites, i305, Skyrush, LR are all derivatives of Maverick. Maverick was a curveball thrown in the midst bigger, taller, faster wars. Suddenly we're seeing parks install more compact yet intense rides rides that stay low to the ground. Calling I-305 and Skyrush derivatives of Maverick and showing them as examples of rides that "stay low to the ground" seems kinda hilarious to me. Maverick is a very good ride that expanded and combined what the spaghetti bowl coasters from Premier and California Screamin' had done. You can even say it is really derivative of Powderkeg if you want. But I also don't see it having changed that much about what's come since now that Cedar Fair has built three giga coasters and the RMC rides have taken off. IIRC it barely moved the attendance needle in 2007 too, probably because Cedar Fair under Kinzel didn't know how to market a ride that wasn't the biggest/tallest/fastest anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Just because new technology isnt used doesn't mean a ride can't be innovative. Magnum XL didnt use any new technology, yet its one of the most iconic rides of all time. And Maverick is without doubt a trend-setter in today's amusement world. The mega-lites, i305, Skyrush, LR are all derivatives of Maverick. Maverick was a curveball thrown in the midst bigger, taller, faster wars. Suddenly we're seeing parks install more compact yet intense rides rides that stay low to the ground. Calling I-305 and Skyrush derivatives of Maverick and showing them as examples of rides that "stay low to the ground" seems kinda hilarious to me. Maverick is a very good ride that expanded and combined what the spaghetti bowl coasters from Premier and California Screamin' had done. You can even say it is really derivative of Powderkeg if you want. But I also don't see it having changed that much about what's come since now that Cedar Fair has built three giga coasters and the RMC rides have taken off. IIRC it barely moved the attendance needle in 2007 too, probably because Cedar Fair under Kinzel didn't know how to market a ride that wasn't the biggest/tallest/fastest anything. Me calling i305 and Skyrush derivatives of Maverick may be hilarious to YOU but doesnt mean it isn't true. Sandor Kernacs (of Intamin) is even on record saying this. And i305 and especially Skyrush do stay relatively low to the ground when you compare the height of their respective first drops and the remainder if their courses. And you're going way out into orbit regarding attendance etc; I never said the current Cedar Fair higher-ups were making bad business decisions. I merely stated how I felt Kinzel kept Cedar Point cutting edge when it came to major coasters, which he did! Without him, there'd be no Magnum, MF, or TTD. Simple as that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatabeast Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Yeah I remember watching a podcast or something about i305 when it was being built, and one of the people being interviewed said something along the lines of "We were trying to combine the strengths of Millennium Force with the strengths of Maverick." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCI Wooden Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Yeah I remember watching a podcast or something about i305 when it was being built, and one of the people being interviewed said something along the lines of "We were trying to combine the strengths of Millennium Force with the strengths of Maverick." I belive you are talking about this documentary: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcoastermark Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I know this is a little off topic but, does anyone know how the Breakers refurb is going ? I am planning a trip to CP the 3rd or fourth week of August and am considering staying there. The last time I stayed there was back in the 70's as a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPFan1234 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Breakers update right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajfelice Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 ^^Thank You for directing the topic away from the strange philosophical innovation debate as of recent. From several pictures floating around, Hotel Breakers has seen more than just a new coat of paint and some new furniture. Basically it was gutted from the inside and refreshed on the outside almost to the point you can hardly recognize what it was before. Lot's of new amenities as well. Until now, the place probably didn't look too much different from the 1970s version. In my opinion, this project will have a much larger long-term impact on Cedar Point than any of their recent attractions projects. Perfecting the overall guest experience is what will drive repeat business, as new coasters are typically more of a flash in the pan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 The rooms definitely look much better than they did when I stayed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatabeast Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Yeah I remember watching a podcast or something about i305 when it was being built, and one of the people being interviewed said something along the lines of "We were trying to combine the strengths of Millennium Force with the strengths of Maverick." I belive you are talking about this documentary: That's the one! Thanks, that was actually pretty enjoyable to re-watch, especially now that I've actually been on the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Rougarou Update... and apparently they have already done some testing as they show a brief clip of it in the video around the 0:40 second mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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