Spokker Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I'm going to SFMM in July so I really appreciate these updates about crowds and operations. How many trains were on the other coasters you rode besides Tatsu? Goliath: 2 trains, 5 minute wait almost all day. Viper: 2 trains, walk on. Riddler: 2 trains, hit this in the morning so I don't know what the midday wait time was. Ninja: 1 train, Looked like a LONG wait, used single rider line and waited 5 minutes. Superman: Opened in the afternoon with 1 train, didn't bother going over there. Tatsu: Opened around 11AM with a 1 hour line. Hit 2 according to ride ops later in the day. It was only running 2 trains. There was pretty much no reason not to run three trains so I have no idea what problems they were having that day. Deja Vu: 1 train, duh. It had a long wait but I used the single rider line. Batman: 2 trains, short wait. And why didn't you bother with X? It's a slow loader. Slower than the Submarine Voyage. I have only ever ridden it at opening. Even when the line starts IN THE STATION there is a 30 minute wait. I didn't bother with Colossus or Revolution either because I hate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Thrill Dragster Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 ^ X's dispatch time have improved greatly. X has faster dispatch times than Tatsu. Plus X has a grouper at the entrance to the station so its no longer a mess in the station. And the reason why they did not use 3 trains on Tatsu is because the would have the third train stacked on the break run for about 3-5 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westipher97 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I'm glad to see most coasters were running 2 trains. Last Christmas when I was there some lines were 50 minutes and only one train running. If Tatsu has a 1+ hour line, then all trains should be used and if they stack, maybe operating procedures need to change. I was lucky and hit Tatsu right after openning so our wait was about 10 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedved82491 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Actually, if they ran 3 trains, they'd open the second station, which leads me to another question...why haven't they been using the other station very much this year? Things could go a LOT faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 2 stations = Twice as many operators needed to staff the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleFan344 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Tatsu with 3 trains is not really useful unless the station uses both sides since the ride does not have a true MCBR. It is good to see that most coasters at least run 2 trains compared to the one train ops I had heard about in the past. Now they are at SFGAdvs level in terms of operations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraxleRIDAH Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 ^ I don't believe it's possible to operate Tatsu with three trains without both sides of the loading platform open. Each of the station sides serves as a block -- and if one of them is not in operation, the ride loses an active block section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spokker Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Maybe they want to sell more The Flash Passes? Those cheap bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleFan344 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 ^ I don't believe it's possible to operate Tatsu with three trains without both sides of the loading platform open. Each of the station sides serves as a block -- and if one of them is not in operation, the ride loses an active block section. Well right after the inline twist at the end there is a set of brakes. After that it turns into the main brake run. So I think it probably could it would just be useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_Smith Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 ^ So I think it probably could it would just be useless. What????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleFan344 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 ^So I think it probably could it would just be useless. What????? Because the crew wouldn't be able to prevent stacking with 3 trains since they already stack with 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 It should be able to handle 3 trains with 1 station seeing how it has a mid course brake section, then service, safety, and transfer brake. Now common sense and SOP procedures dont always lineup with eachother so it wouldnt surprise me if they're not allowed to run 3 trains unless it has 2 platforms. B&M flyers are so complex though that running 3 trains would just be more things that can go wrong so I dont think id want it to be running 3 trains with 1 platform anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedved82491 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 It probably is possible to run three trains with one stations, but it's useless...The time it takes one train to load, it takes the other to cycle the course, and yet that train still has to wait in the blocks...having three trains wouldn't do anything except cause the riders to wait longer to get off, as the stacking would just increase, and the speed of the ride would not differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowfanman Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 It should be able to handle 3 trains with 1 station seeing how it has a mid course brake section, then service, safety, and transfer brake. Now common sense and SOP procedures dont always lineup with eachother so it wouldnt surprise me if they're not allowed to run 3 trains unless it has 2 platforms. B&M flyers are so complex though that running 3 trains would just be more things that can go wrong so I dont think id want it to be running 3 trains with 1 platform anyway... Tatsu doesn't have a MCBR. A train cant drop off lift until the safety is cleared. So not only could it not run 3-trains 1-station operation, I agree it would be pointless. You would be running at the same efficiency, simply with some guests waiting on a brake-run rather than in the queue. -Jahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spokker Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I won't dispute that it can't run a 1 station 3 train operation. But at some point, around the time the line hits 2 hours, they should really open station 2. Summer is here. I thought Magic Mountain wanted to turn things around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 ^ Things were looking good for the park at the beginning of last summer too. By the end of the summer, it was basically the same old crappy park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spokker Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 ^ Things were looking good for the park at the beginning of last summer too. By the end of the summer, it was basically the same old crappy park.I think there have been some noticable improvements and they showed during my visit this week. The best part is that they are making an effort to make the park rules known to guests and have the appearence of clamping down on guest behavior. The only question now is if they are going to be enforcing them all Summer long. The park felt cleaner. I had fun. And that was that. There is still a lot of work to be done and hopefully they are serious about it and it lasts throughout the Summer, into 2008, and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trcg721 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 What would you rather have, More rides closed and both side of Tatsu open or 1 station and have more rides open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robgraves Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 What would you rather have, More rides clothes and both side of Tatsu open or 1 station and have more rides open? i don't think merchandising would affect operations... but... it IS Magic Mountain.. lol. J/k, i got what ya meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowfanman Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 ^ More rides clothes? Are we talking about merchandise? And in response to your question--we shouldn't have to make that call. Unless there is a legitimate maintence issue, all rides should be open and running at max-capacity in the summer. A man can dream, you know. -Jahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Six Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 What would you rather have, More rides closed and both side of Tatsu open or 1 station and have more rides open? I think after paying $60 I would rather have both! _six Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spokker Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 What would you rather have, More rides closed and both side of Tatsu open or 1 station and have more rides open?If they are only going to open 1 station on Tatsu how about we get rid of some of those shameless advertisements plastered all over the park then? Where is that money going? THERE ARE OVER A MILLION MILES OF REBAR IN GOLIATH?? HOLY CRAP! The Summer solstice was yesterday. Let's hope everything is running at full capacity barring any other issues the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleFan344 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 What would you rather have, More rides closed and both side of Tatsu open or 1 station and have more rides open? I think after paying $60 I would rather have both! _six Yep, considering ONE full price admission can pay an employee for 8 hours. What would you rather have, More rides closed and both side of Tatsu open or 1 station and have more rides open?If they are only going to open 1 station on Tatsu how about we get rid of some of those shameless advertisements plastered all over the park then? Where is that money going? THERE ARE OVER A MILLION MILES OF REBAR IN GOLIATH?? HOLY CRAP! The Summer solstice was yesterday. Let's hope everything is running at full capacity barring any other issues the rest of the season. Has anything ever ran at full capacity at SFMM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATman Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 ^Goliath Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Six Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 Time to attempt to breath some life into this thread. Still nothing new to really update on. X now closes at the time of park close. Rather than closing the bridge at one hour prior to park closing. Its nothing permanent, but its something they're trying out for a while. _six Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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