jmicha Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Oh wow, I hadn't realized it had been that long. Well whatever has changed recently at B&M, I'm liking it.
Olov Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 And the track is complete! The inversion count stays at 5, diveloop, loop, immelmann, wingover and a zero-g-roll. Posted by Kiby on potionmagix.fr
KDCOASTERFAN Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 is this the only B&M invert in the world with a dive loop? If you do a little research, you find out that it is in fact the only B&M Invert with a dive loop. True but technically the entrance to the batwing element on Montu & Afterburn would be considered a dive loop wouldn't it?
Olov Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 is this the only B&M invert in the world with a dive loop? If you do a little research, you find out that it is in fact the only B&M Invert with a dive loop. True but technically the entrance to the batwing element on Montu & Afterburn would be considered a dive loop wouldn't it? We've allready been through this on page 18...
coasterfreak101 Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 ^Truth. And it's not hard at all to look at a batwing and a dive loop and see how their motions are very much different. This is the first invert with a dive loop. Done.
atem122 Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 And the track is complete! The inversion count stays at 5, diveloop, loop, immelmann, wingover and a zero-g-roll. Posted by Kiby on potionmagix.fr Anyone have an idea of why they'd fly the American flag here? Are like the iron workers from America, or something?
dragonskeep Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) ^^Maybe the track came from Ohio. Do they contract with anyone over seas for track. ^That too. Edited August 28, 2011 by dragonskeep
StarTrekGeek Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 ^^Maybe the track came from Ohio. Do they contract with anyone over seas for track. ^That too. If I recall correctly, that coaster's track did come from the Ohio plant a long time ago (since November of last year I believe).
Phatage Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 ^If so, hopefully they design a lot more of their future rides high, because this thing could probably be the best invert to date. I know it's early to go either way with this comment, but I doubt this will be the best invert. It does have an impressive first half with some tighter curvatures and an unconventional element sequence for an invert, but I don't think the second half was planned out well. The elements seem much more spread out due to the fact that they have to navigate around the station and whatnot. The turn after the Immelman over the entrance to the loop is just as wide if not wider than the turn going into the loop; in terms of surprising riders, I think it would be so much cooler to have the train navigate a similar looking turn and have even more g's the second time around than the first time. Albeit, it does seem like a logical place to give the riders a break in the action, but again I see it more of a killjoy being that the remainder of the ride is more spread out. Again with the order of elements, the extremely inline wingover following the turn mentioned could be more effective if it switched places with the true zero-g roll. Inverted coaster's corkscrews are much more intense (not necessarily better though) than zero-g rolls for they focus on different sensations. Because these two elements appear so similar on this ride, it would be great to have the less intense one first to surprise riders with the more intense element afterwards. This would also help seeing as both the wingovers and zero-g rolls on the newer inverts twist at slower angular velocities, making them less intense than the older inverts. The last thing is the helix finale. The helix is definitely not as tight as Phaethon's at the end and is upward. Granted I'm basing the quality on the magnitude of force it produces, and less intense helices like that on Manhattan Express are still very fun as well, but I still see the second half of this ride paling in comparison to the first half in both intensity and excitement. This isn't true with some of the famously great inverts like Raptor, Nemesis, and even B:TR where after their moments of relaxation in the middle (a little later on Nemesis), they ramp up the intensity again and finish strong. And while I don't think a coaster has to be crazy intense in order to be great or even the best of it's category, I am always disappointed to ride a coaster that runs out of steam towards the end (Alpengeist, Great Bear, etc.).
A.J. Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 You make some good arguments. I think the only reason Alpengeist runs out of speed is that mid-course brake run though. Won't this coaster be the first B&M Inverted to not have the zero-drop?
KDCOASTERFAN Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 You make some good arguments. I think the only reason Alpengeist runs out of speed is that mid-course brake run though. Won't this coaster be the first B&M Inverted to not have the zero-drop? Don't you mean the pre-drop?
DBru Posted August 29, 2011 Posted August 29, 2011 I think this looks great. The first drop should be awesome near the back of the train (and everywhere else, but...).
Dixi Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 A good reproduction by Flofloop07 on Nolimits : You can also download the track : http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N8A2B61M. New photo ( from the lift ) :
robinschroder Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 ^ The NoLimits recreation makes me quite excited for this ride! Looks like there's potential for some nice floaty bits as well as some forceful bits... we'll see!
Real Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Even that recreation looks really bad. Shaping is all over the place, pacing looks way off as well. I wouldnt buy into any recreations in NL unless done by something who I could consider a respected designer. None of the ones Ive seen seem to reproduce even a realistic pacing and feel.
Schotcher Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 Isn't that the same POV that was posted 3 weeks ago except with the wingover/Zero G roll?
_koppen Posted August 30, 2011 Posted August 30, 2011 There is no way the coaster will be as intense as in that video. It may be more intense than the last inverted coasters, but not nearly as what is shown in that video.
coasterfreak101 Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 ^And you know this how? If anything, that video's off and proves nothing about the actual ride.
odene497 Posted August 31, 2011 Posted August 31, 2011 The first drop on this is going to be crazy. The nolimits video doesn't really show it but it actually goes down straight a bit and has a really sharp looking kink in it to the left. Should be interesting.
Dixi Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 New extraordinary photos ( frome the crane ) :
Real Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Whats with the blurring out of the trains? OR was that a line of people? Really strange. More strange than the ride itself. Good pics though.
Dixi Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Whats with the blurring out of the trains? OR was that a line of people? Really strange. More strange than the ride itself. It's forbidden to see them. We don't know why, trains can be new ( with panoramic view ).
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