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Re: Why coasters boost attendance at some parks but not at o

Postby Stealth1 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:43 am

It may have seen an increase in attendance but maybe not as much as they hoped. As far as the other Parks go I based it off the TEA attendance figures they have put out.

I realize there are a lot of variables involved but adding a major coaster should give a big boost to attendance. The only reason I can think of is the that a lot of people aren't drawn by big thrills as much anymore and want a different experience.

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Postby 805Andrew » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:06 am

Stealth1 wrote:It may have seen an increase in attendance but maybe not as much as they hoped. As far as the other Parks go I based it off the TEA attendance figures they have put out.

I realize there are a lot of variables involved but adding a major coaster should give a big boost to attendance. The only reason I can think of is the that a lot of people aren't drawn by big thrills as much anymore and want a different experience.


Sometimes it takes a full year before you notice the attendance boost, Steel Vengeance just opened last year and not everyone has had a chance to ride it yet. I didn't see any TEA figures on CGA, just the top 20 US parks, so I don't know where you're getting your figures for CGA. And I don't know where you're are getting your info that CGA canceled its expansion. They are expanding their included Boomerang Bay water park next year and they just bought the land they sit on from the city of Santa Clara which they have been leasing since 1989.

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Re: Why coasters boost attendance at some parks but not at o

Postby Stealth1 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:20 am

I never said they were cancelling the expansion but it seems they are delaying the rumoured hyper coaster. If the RMC Raptor had a big impact in boosting attendance then Cedar Fair would have announced it.

Look at Wonderland so far this year since adding Yukon Striker. The last few Fridays the lines to get in the park have almost to the parking lot. Last year I don't remember seeing any days like that.

When I see that, it made me wonder why other Parks don't see attendance boosts like Wonderland having when adding a big coaster.

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Re: Why coasters boost attendance at some parks but not at o

Postby CoasterInk » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:42 am

Stealth1 wrote:I never said they were cancelling the expansion but it seems they are delaying the rumoured hyper coaster.

...This seems pulled out of nowhere. :?r What evidence can be presented to claim that Cedar Fair is delaying a rollercoaster?
Stealth1 wrote:If the RMC Raptor had a big impact in boosting attendance then Cedar Fair would have announced it.

From what I understand Cedar Fair doesn’t do that on a park to park basis (I think...)

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Postby Midgetman82 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:50 am

Uneducated observation: but I'm a firm believer that dive machines are more successful at marketing to the masses than most standard looking coasters.
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Re: Why coasters boost attendance at some parks but not at o

Postby Jew » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:22 am

Stealth1 wrote:I never said they were cancelling the expansion but it seems they are delaying the rumoured hyper coaster. If the RMC Raptor had a big impact in boosting attendance then Cedar Fair would have announced it.

Look at Wonderland so far this year since adding Yukon Striker. The last few Fridays the lines to get in the park have almost to the parking lot. Last year I don't remember seeing any days like that.

When I see that, it made me wonder why other Parks don't see attendance boosts like Wonderland having when adding a big coaster.


Canada's Wonderland is also the only major theme park in the Toronto metropolitan area.

You are basing your whole analysis on a RUMOR. That seems silly.
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Re: Why coasters boost attendance at some parks but not at o

Postby yawetag » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:15 pm

Stealth1 wrote:I never said they were cancelling the expansion but it seems they are delaying the rumoured hyper coaster.

It's hard to cancel a rumor. I wouldn't consider something canceled until it's been announced and then canceled.

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Re: Why coasters boost attendance at some parks but not at o

Postby Stealth1 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:58 pm

Jew wrote:
Canada's Wonderland is also the only major theme park in the Toronto metropolitan area.

You are basing your whole analysis on a RUMOR. That seems silly.


Take CGA out of the analysis then. It still applies to Kings Island and Cedar Point. The last 2 coaster additions did little to spike attendance compared to what Levaithan did for Wonderland.

Aa far as Cedar Point goes, Gatekeeper and Valravn had a bigger spike in attendance then Steel Vengeance did. I am getting these numbers from TEA.

The whole point of this thread was asking why that happens?

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Re: Why coasters boost attendance at some parks but not at o

Postby Intamin_coyote » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:33 pm

grsupercity wrote:
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Last point to consider is that while enthusiasts may be overly excited for a new installation, it may just fall flat for the GP. Since enthusiasts are just a small percentage of the overall population, once again, it doesn't affect overall attendance much.


I see what you are saying. Valravn seemed to have been a bigger draw then Steel Vengeance is in its opening season. Maybe it's too intense for the GP


Hasn't Steel Vengeance averaged like a 3 hour line? Valravn sure didnt


To be fair, lines don't necessarily indicate ridership (and in this case, it most certainly does not), considering Valravn was number #2 for ridership last year. Both hold 24 per train, but dispatch times for SV are...NOT very good (or so I've read). I wouldn't know since it was closed all day last I visited and have yet to ride it. Valravn's dispatch times are much, much better...

Firehawk almost always had longer lines than Diamondback, Beast, Mystic Timbers, in its last year, but it obviously wasn't more popular or more ridden than those.

All that having said, most every GP member I've met says they "love" SV, but almost everyone one of them say they love Valravn too. I don't think I've heard anyone describe SV as too intense for them, but I would certainly bet for some it is.

Stealth1 wrote:I have heard that Kings Island didn't get much of a boost for Mystic Timbers or Banshee.


Supposedly, 2017 was actually the most attended year at KI since 1998 but that's if....

you include Winterfest, which returned for the first time since 2005. The question would be how much of the increase can be attributed simply to having more operating days and how much of it was due to Mystic Timbers...

As for Banshee. I'm glad someone pointed this out, but 2014 did coincide with re-opening of KK, which I think definitely played a major role in siphoning off what-would have been KI goers.

For 2015, there was a ~3 % increase in attendance per TEA, and all they had added that year was a set of Scooters, and a kiddie ride. I would imagine a lot of guests came back that year to ride Banshee for the first time.
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Re: Why coasters boost attendance at some parks but not at o

Postby bill_s » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:53 pm

A lot of people have said I305 didn't draw the crowds because it doesn't get long lines etc., I think its big effect lasted 7 years, and on. I see KD at times of minimum crowds, and 2009 was really dead a lot. 2010 brought the gigacoaster and not a huge jump, but was followed by several years of increase during a run of non-coaster improvements and no I don't think it was just those things, the new coaster was the base. 2017 was weak and then they did TTimbers.

When a park is already successful, it might be enough to just keep that going and not let it slip away.

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