djw44 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ^ But the thing about most B&M hypers is that they are just hill, after hill, after hill. That would be ok if its insane ejector airtime, but its just gentle floater air like you said. I like that though. I'm colorblind when it comes to airtime . Diamondback is to Floater air as El Toro is to Ejector air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronupsidasium Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 The Little Mermaid at the Magic Kingdom. The ride in DCA looks like a total snooze. Slow ommnimover and really bad storytelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronupsidasium Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I think Transformers will be the most overrated ride. Everybody seems to want Transformers to come to Florida while complaining about Potterland and Avatarland. Well, those franchises were critically acclaimed and awarded within the film industry, while Transformers Revenge of the Fallen deservedly won worst movie of the year at the Raspberry Awards and the third one was almost as bad. From the looks of Singapore, the attraction looks to be a lot 3D screens and military gung ho crap, which was the dumbest part of the movies. At least they could play up some of the classic Universal snark with how stupid the idea of transforming robots are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdcon Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Air time is air time what ever way you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Gold Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Two choices for me: 1. Leviathan. I mean, this is the ride most on the hot seat, and it sure is getting all the hype. It has to be exceptional or it's overhyped by nature. 2. Skyrush: As we all should know ,this is frontrunner for best coaster built in 2012 and most likely to land in top ten lists. I'm sure it will be loved by anyone who loves Intamins and it will probably rank really high. The problem: It doesn't look like an improvement from SROS, Ex. G Force, T-Express, or El Toro. I305 set new intensity limits and deserves its ranking, but is this ride going to be any better than rides built 10 years ago? Probably not, so as someone who will always wish for the coaster industry to reach new heights I think it will be overrated next August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schotcher Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ^ It's first drop is 200 feet. If I'm not wrong, the second hill is 80 feet. Intense in a nutshell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Air time is air time what ever way you look at it. Totally disagree. Maybe when you live in California, and you have no airtime in your state to speak of you'll take when you can get, but to me, as someone who is spoiled with many of the airtime machines in the world, I ride a coaster like Diamondback, full of nothing but floater, baaaarely lift you out of your seat, airtime, and I think "boooooring!!!!" To me, I'd almost rather have no airtime than "floater" airtime. It's kind of the same to me. I realize it's just a personal preference, but I just don't think many people who have really experienced many coasters with extreme, awesome, throw you out of the seat + pull you back down real airtime, would really prefer floater airtime after that. Edited December 2, 2011 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) 2. Skyrush: As we all should know ,this is frontrunner for best coaster built in 2012 and most likely to land in top ten lists. I'm sure it will be loved by anyone who loves Intamins and it will probably rank really high. The problem: It doesn't look like an improvement from SROS, Ex. G Force, T-Express, or El Toro. Why does it need to be an "improvement?" When there are so few rides of this caliber to begin with, isn't just having another one sufficient? Talk to anyone who's been on a Mega-Lite, and ask them if they wouldn't mind if it became the next "Batman", getting cloned all over the world, and I'm sure they'll say they wouldn't mind at all. I would MUCH rather ride a B&M Batman clone that ANY of the B&Ms that have been built since 2004. If a Mega-Lite were built in the USA, and many of you finally got to experience one, I think it would be on the top of most people's best coaster lists. So going back to the original statement, even if SkyRush turned out to be not quite as good as i305, SROS, or even a Mega-Lite, I still think that means it could end up being one of the top 10 coasters in the world, and I don't see anything else being built this year making that claim. SkyRush is my MOST anticipated coaster of this year, because I think it's the only ride that's even got a shot of being in my personal top ten. And even if it ended up at #10, hell, even if it only made it to my #20, that's pretty damn good going, especially for someone that's been on 1,500 roller coasters! --Robb Edited December 2, 2011 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernierocker Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Air time is air time what ever way you look at it. If you honestly think that all airtime is the same, then you have obviously never experienced ejector air before. Believe me, until I experienced Bizarro or El Toro for the first time, I probably wouldn't of known the difference either. With that being said, I still haven't been on enough of these airtime machines around the world like some of the more well-traveled enthusiasts on here. So, I still quite enjoy a good "floater" here and there. And yes, I am well aware that last sentence can me misconstrued into meaning something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Floater air is fine, but ejector is where it's at. Although I really like some of their later rides (such as Diamondback), I agree that the B&M rides have become more interchangeable over the last few years (especially Intimidator at Carowinds). As for the most "overrated ride of 2012," I haven't quite made up my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzoole Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I've been on El Toro, Bizarro, and New Texas Giant, so I've definitely experienced some kick ass ejector airtime. But to me, good sustained floater airtime like on Nitro is rapturous. Even though they are both airtime, the two experiences are totally different to me, and I can't really say for sure that I like one more than the other. But anyway, I think the most overrated ride of 2012 is clearly Super Jet, the Pinfari Zyklon going into Parque Mutirama in Brazil. I mean, I know it will be amazing and everything, but haven't we heard ENOUGH about it already? It's all anyone has been talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) I've been on El Toro, Bizarro, and New Texas Giant, so I've definitely experienced some kick A$$ ejector airtime. But to me, good sustained floater airtime like on Nitro is rapturous. Even though they are both airtime, the two experiences are totally different to me, and I can't really say for sure that I like one more than the other. There is actually quite a difference between Nitro and the newer B&M hypers. I'd argue and say that Nitro has the BEST of the "B&M Airtime", and some of the newer B&M hypers, like Diamondback and Intimidator are very weak in comparison. Remember, Nitro opened in 2001, and B&M was still being a bit aggressive then. Not quite as much as the Intamin hypers of the same time frame, but by far more than their offerings in the past 5 or 6 years. I want to say that the trend of weaker B&M hypers started the following year, in 2002, with Silver Star. Edited December 2, 2011 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper39 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I actually really like Goliath at Six Flags over Georgia that opened in 2006. It's after the 2002 year you stated but is in my opinion considerably better then Diamondback or Intimadator or anything else opened around that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeemerBoy Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 There's a reason why Walter doesn't smile in his interviews. He's bored of his own rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I actually really like Goliath at Six Flags over Georgia that opened in 2006. It's after the 2002 year you stated but is in my opinion considerably better then Diamondback or Intimadator or anything else opened around that time. The two that come to mind that are "better" is SFOG's Goliath and Behemoth, but IMO, neither of those two rides still are better than the earlier days of B&M. They get close, almost by accident I feel, and it's just kind of a bummer, because in my top 20 steel coasters, I have rides like Kumba, Montu, Katun, Pyrenees, Nemesis, Ice, Fire, and Dragon Khan. (Heck, even Hulk if it was running a bit better currently.) I guess it's just more for me thinking "I want those types of rides again", and I won't accept anything less. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper39 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ^yeah I don't think any of the B&M Hyper coasters are really that good compared to some of the other older model B&M's. I guess Goliath is my favorite B&M hyper but it's not close to the same level of intensity as Kumba or Raptor or Montu or most Intamin hypers (besides Millenium Force) for that matter. Even though I'm not a huge fan of them they are reliable capacity machines that the general non enthusiasts public seem to love that are fairly easy to market and promote, so I see why so many have been getting built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw44 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I actually rank Diamondback over Nitro. But I'll state again, comparing a b&m hyper with the el toro's of the world or even older b&m inverts is like comparing apples and oranges. I see Alvey's point on the newer b&ms like Hydra or Silver Bullet, but not with the Hypers. The car equivalent as far as comfort level between a B&m Hyper and a choppy transition Intamin like I305, the end of toro or Skyrush is the difference between a smooth riding cadillac and a Geo Prizm, not that there is a problem with that but a big smooth riding smooth transition ride is what a B&M hyper offers. I'm not meaning to diss the intense Intamin rides, but I really like both equally. B&M hypers are about a fun, smooth ride filled with floater airtime and smooth transitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 B&M hypers are about a fun, smooth ride filled with floater airtime and smooth transitions. And I find that extremely boring. To each their own. You have fun on Diamonback...I'll be riding Expedition GeForce and Colossos this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 B&M hypers are about a fun, smooth ride filled with floater airtime and smooth transitions. And I find that extremely boring. To each their own. You have fun on Diamonback...I'll be riding Expedition GeForce and Colossos this summer. You forgot I305 as well! I'll be parked there for our full Kings Dominion day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw44 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 As much as I like the extreme turn transitions on Maverick or I305 or what not, I don't find alot of difference between them and that crappy transition on Anaconda. But I really think between B&M Hypers and Intense Intamin rides there is minimal difference. I'd bet the Amusement park operators or more inclined to put in B&Ms because they are much more reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymouscactus Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Robb, curious of your opinion of Manta and how it fits in with the "new" B&M. Do you feel this ride is thrilling enough for your tastes? Or is it "the pretzel loop is the only good part" sort of ride? I have similar opinions as you as far as your take on other B&Ms but I'm curious how Manta fits in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper39 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ^ I think Manta is a fairly boring ride other than the pretzel loop and first drop, and i also think Manta is almost identical to the Superman clones just with a few extra turns and better themeing. Tatsu looks pretty good, but otherwise I've been fairly unimpressed with B&M's flying coaster designs to date, hopefully the new custom flyer in China gets good reviews and they start getting a little more creative with their future installations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernierocker Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 But I really think between B&M Hypers and Intense Intamin rides there is minimal difference. Um, I am going to have to completely disagree with you there. Compare Bizarro to say Nitro (which is considered to have the strongest negative Gs of the B&M hypers) and it is a night and day difference as far as airtime goes. As least, that is how it feels to me. Plus, I just think you get a more out-of-control feeling ride in general on an Intamin compared to B&M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw44 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ^I did not mean to say it like that, I was rushed and did not get to refine my word choice. I meant minimal difference as far as quality. In their own rights they are in the top tier, B&M Hypers for Floater Airtime and Smooth transitions, alot like flying, as opposed to Intamin Violent Ejector Air and quick transitions. I love both in their own right. I think it is like comparing apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernierocker Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ^Gotcha. Point taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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