theflamingbrick Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Unfortunately I've never ridden a b&m or intamin hyper so I can't pass comment on them until I try them next year. However I have to completely agree with Robb and some others in regards to recent b&m coasters. Apart from their step into wing riders and gigs coasters they just seem to lack any originality. It's generally the same bunch of elements in the same order on most of their coasters (drop, loop, dive loop/Immelmann then zero g) all of which seem to be trimmed. I'm going to sound biased being from the uk, but the whole of nemesis (but especially the first helix) is pure classic b&m force. I also found Katun to be the same. Id love for them to do something similar now and i think the new inverted at parc astrix is the closest thing to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I'm going to sound biased being from the uk, but the whole of nemesis (but especially the first helix) is pure classic b&m force. Not at all--I think Nemesis is the best ride B&M ever built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDCOASTERFAN Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Who is saying great things about Apocolypse or Stinger that could make the rides OVERRATED? If there are no expectations it can't be OVERRATED. After riding vortex @ Carowinds this year I highly doubt that apocolypse will be any better so I'll take KD's windseeker & their togo standup over it any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbear30 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I really don't understand the hate for B&M sans 2004 and before. Yes, some of the coasters are cookie cutter and yes, some of them are forceless but I don't think that makes them boring for the most part(except their floorless and flyers-those are boring as hell to me.) I also don't understand why most people are all about Intamin just because they have different layouts on their coasters. What good is that when they break down constantly? (just look at KK and El Toro, Yes, those are awesome rides....wait, I only got to ride El Toro because after being there for 2 full days it was the only one that was up every few hours that I was lucky enough to ride. KK was down the whole time. At least you don't have to go to a park 5 times to get a B&M credit.) Back to my point....and what about the fact that they have to trim/modify everything they make right after they build it because the rides are too intense. I am no professional but I took one look at the 305 animation before it was built and could tell you that a turn that tight after a 300 foot drop was going to be too forceful. What I can't understand is why the designers can't see that? And what is the point in a coaster like Formula Rossa going 150mph if it just hits trims right after that. Don't get me wrong...I like Intamin, but they make some boring rides too *coughCheetahHuntcough* I think they make some great rides (Storm Runner and El Toro are amazing,) but I just don't get why some people are so down on B&M. I love B&M rides. IMHO, Goliath at my home park is one of the best coasters out there and I have ridden El Toro, NTAG, 305 and a slew of others that are rated much higher. I like ejector air too. I just wish that everyone wasn't so down on a company that makes rides that are pretty awesome. There would be half the coasters out there right now if it wasn't for B&M. And on another subject, I don't see how people can be down on Leviathan but think MF is the best thing ever. Yes, no one has ridden Leviathan yet but at the same time it has a pretty similar layout to MF. I think people are just hating on it automatically because it is B&M. I will reserve my judgement until I ride it. (I am sure I will get flamed to all hell because of this post.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerCoasterSmi Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I love how this has just turned into a B&M versus Intamin thread. I'm a Beemer fan, but that is because I have experienced no real kick ass Intamins, but have experienced Nemesis the holy mother of all B&M coasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Khan Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ^ ^ I am sure you will, indeed. If it is any consolation, I feel the same way (and will share the flaming with you)... My favourite manufacturer is (was) Schwarzkopf. If you really look for intensity, Anton built some masterpieces. I LOVE both Swiss manufacturers equally, and I think even if I agree on the forcelessness of some beemers, I would lie if I said every single Intamin I have ridden was the new wonder of the world. Some are, some aren't. As a musician, I would say lots of guitar players will only live for Fender or Gibson. This is a vast majority. I personally prefer ESP guitars. Should I be ashamed for that ? I won't, because they just play better FOR ME. Just as I don't care if I'm the only one to love a ride which everyone praises, or on the opposite, I have absolutely no problem to not like (it would be far fetched to say I hate) what is systematically ranked the best Intamin hyper in North America (no need to give the name). a "pointless boring" coaster can be just that for some, and the contrary to some other people. and you know what ? no one is right or wrong, since it's a matter of taste. I don't feel I have to say amen just because a majority thinks differently. Oh, one thing too: Do you notice how many dismiss Leviathan as the most UNanticipated coaster for next season ? Look at the "most wanted for 2012" thread... you'll find about as many people whose fantasy is... LEVIATHAN. Weird, isn't it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skycoastin Steve Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 It's hard for me to give a solid stance on the airtime thing. I just enjoy airtime, whether it's floater or ejector. The rides that have ejector airtime typically are ranked higher for me than ones with floater air, but I still love both kinds. I tend to like B&M hypers more than a lot of the posters here, but they all have a ceiling as far as my rankings go. Apollo's Chariot is, in my opinion, the best of the bunch, and it's probably never going to get higher than it is now for me, which is #10. That's honestly only based on a back seat ride, too. It's rather average when you ride it near the front. As far as the B&M vs. Intamin debate goes, I'll just say this. In my top 30 steel coasters, 27 of them are either B&M or Intamin. They both make terrific coasters, and both have made some not-so-great coasters. For next year, SkyRush and Leviathan are my two most anticipated rides, so once again, they're in a dead heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbear30 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ^ Steve, I could not agree more! I like both manufacturers (both make awesome and lame coasters) and I just love airtime (floater or ejector.) They are both great and either way I am out of my seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schotcher Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 At least B&M knows how to use both floater AND ejector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Khan Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ^I wouldn't go THAT far... edit: hadn't noticed the smiley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Edge of Beast- Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Why are you guys getting so serious about two coaster manufacturers? Steve basically stated some good things. They're both great manufactures that make great rides and attractions.Why get in a fight over them? I'm pretty sure all of us like both Intamins and B&M's so no need to argue. Some of my favorite rides are Intamins, but that doesn't mean B&M makes good rides also. If you're so serious about it, why not make your own thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce232 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Just out of curiosity, what do the most of you all consider to be the worst B&M and worst Intamin? I've been on (only...) 3 Intamins and 12 B&Ms and don't dislike any of them, so I've never quite been able to judge the companies like most of you can. I'd appreciate the input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schotcher Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 ^ Expect highly bias opinions and multiple arguments.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Khan Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Why are you guys getting so serious about two coaster manufacturers? Steve basically stated some good things. They're both great manufactures that make great rides and attractions.Why get in a fight over them? I'm pretty sure all of us like both Intamins and B&M's so no need to argue. Some of my favorite rides are Intamins, but that doesn't mean B&M makes good rides also. If you're so serious about it, why not make your own thread? I feel the same way, and I have a feeling this thread is boiling. you'll notice I substancially say over and over again BOTH are good. And often, when several members post something quite neutral in a row (meaning cooling people down with all this passion) then someone will pop up and drop a line that might be perceived as provocation and it starts all over again. I remember how boiling the debate SFMM / CP once was too. Comparative threads have always had this kind of result. Too bad this also happens on a thread that was NOT intended to be just that. I have no pretention to be a (back seat) moderator, but one can clearly feel the tone used to criticise one manufacturer is NOT the same as the one used to criticise the other manufacturer... Look at my signature and you'll notice both Swiss are in my top 5 steelies, this should make it obvious I love both... once it was (ridiculously) fashionable to put Vekoma down for their roughness. Trends are changing, it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imawesome1124 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Superman Ultimate Flight at SFDK for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Just out of curiosity, what do the most of you all consider to be the worst B&M and worst Intamin? I've been on (only...) 3 Intamins and 12 B&Ms and don't dislike any of them, so I've never quite been able to judge the companies like most of you can. I'd appreciate the input! Worst B&M: Probably Silver Star at Europa. The ride is just plain dull (I think it's the only bummer in an otherwise excellent park). Worst Intamin: For me, I'd say Kingda Ka at Six Flags Great Adventure. It's a shaky, uncomfortable ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skycoastin Steve Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 My lowest rated B&M is Vortex at Carowinds. If you don't count the bobsleds and Superman at SFMM, my lowest rated Intamin is Fahrenheit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpengeist04 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 My lowest rated B&M is Vortex at Carowinds. Me too. As for Intamin: Excluding the kiddie coasters- Alpine Bobsled & Disaster Transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigaG Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Dinosaurs Alive @ CP. I hate Dick Kinzel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzoole Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 I've been on El Toro, Bizarro, and New Texas Giant, so I've definitely experienced some kick A$$ ejector airtime. But to me, good sustained floater airtime like on Nitro is rapturous. Even though they are both airtime, the two experiences are totally different to me, and I can't really say for sure that I like one more than the other. There is actually quite a difference between Nitro and the newer B&M hypers. I'd argue and say that Nitro has the BEST of the "B&M Airtime", and some of the newer B&M hypers, like Diamondback and Intimidator are very weak in comparison. Remember, Nitro opened in 2001, and B&M was still being a bit aggressive then. Not quite as much as the Intamin hypers of the same time frame, but by far more than their offerings in the past 5 or 6 years. I want to say that the trend of weaker B&M hypers started the following year, in 2002, with Silver Star. Ah. Having not been on any other B&M hypers, I didn't know that. I obviously have to believe you because, well, you're Robb Alvey lol. So touche! Worst Intamin: For me, I'd say Kingda Ka at Six Flags Great Adventure. It's a shaky, uncomfortable ride. I've heard that about Kingda Ka quite a few times, but I didn't have that experience at all. It was perfectly smooth when I rode, and the only thing I found slightly uncomfortable was trying to keep my eyes open in the wind from that crazy launch. Maybe I just caught it on a good day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schotcher Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 ^ Rode it this summer. One of the most painful coaster experiences of my life. Needed some advil after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Just out of curiosity, what do the most of you all consider to be the worst B&M and worst Intamin? Please. This isn't the "what's your least favourite B&M thread." Keep it in topic or it's gonna get locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzoole Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) ^^ My ride was this summer too. Hmm. Anyway, back on topic. I know we really don't even know what it is yet, but I have a suspicion that Mirabilandia's 2012 addition might end being underwhelming compared to all the hype and anticipation. Edited December 3, 2011 by jzoole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Khan Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Robb, is there any way you or the starter of this thread or a moderator could implement a poll in this thread, or is it just impossible once a thread has been starting ? Because you're right: there has been a lot of digression in this thread, and even if I like to read everyone's opinion, a graphic representation could help making it more objective and cool down the "warriors" lol. It's so weird the thread for most anticipated for 2012 is 5 page long, whereas this one started one week later and is 3 times the same size ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce232 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) ^^^^ I rode Kingda Ka this summer too, and the ride didn't bother me at all. ^And I think this thread is much longer because it allows for stronger opinions that could spark some discussion rather than the other one which only requires a one-sentence statement that is most likely speculation-free. I still think that Wild Eagle is pretty overrated. It has a really bland B&M layout and is only getting the hype because of its ride-type and location. Edited December 3, 2011 by Bryce232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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