Josh Linn Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 ^Just curious, but what other KD rides do you consider busts? The big one that comes to my mind is Hypersonic. I don't know what other rides would qualify. Dominator I wouldn't say does because everyone knew what they were getting. Volcano maybe? But I don't know what the public opinion is on that ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfoot12 Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I've always felt that Volcano is about 800 feet and a couple of elements short of being a top 10 coaster. That said, I'm still a huge fan of it. I really don't know what other coasters qualify as busts but there are quite a few I wouldn't mind seeing replaced--Shockwave and Hurler come immediately to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 - i liked hypersonic, but i'm willing to admit it was a bust. - Hurler is a legitimate bust. what a turd. - Shockwave? ok, bust. - anaconda is an average Arrow looper. not a bust unless you consider most Arrows busts. - Volcano has a great launch and volcano exit. yes it ends abruptly and too soon, and the barrel rolls are in slo-mo, but i don't think you can call it a bust. the launch and loop are sweet. - dominator is a great, long, B&M floorless. non-bust. - Backlot Stunt Coaster is fun for the whole family. non-bust. - Scooby is a classic. non-bust. - Rebel Yell ditto. - Grizzly ditto. - Avalanche is always fun. - FoF is a good ride since the removal of the OTSRs. non-bust. so ok i can think of 3 definite "busts" out of what, 13 coasters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfoot12 Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 ^Looks like we're thinking along the same lines. I think of "busts" as something that doesn't live up to its hype. I remember loving Shockwave and Anaconda back in the day but they've grown mediocre or worse over the years. Hurler was alright at the time but even back then I was kind of meh about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilj4425 Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 New pics page 2, 3, and 4: http://kdfansite.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=lastup&cat=0&page=2 Only one of the lift pieces so far has a support attachment which could make this a vertical lift coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgodsey Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Vertical lift..probably not. Vertical drop...definitely possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilj4425 Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Vertical lift..probably not. Vertical drop...definitely possible Maybe a vertical lift AND drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCS Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Some crazy looking track and supports showing up on site. Also the footers poured have one odd configuration to them. Start here and scroll through all the pics to see what KDFansite uncovered today. http://www.kdfansite.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=53&page=16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atem122 Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 The reason that there's only one support connecting piece seen is because of the truss that the lift hill pieces are using, they make it capable for further track distances with less supports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad5871 Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 ^Precisely. I don't understand why so many people think that this is going to be a vertical lift (it seems like half of the posters at KDFansite are set on the fact that it'll be vertical). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethans_dad06 Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Yea, they are basicaly making a bridge under the lift track so the cut down on the amount of vertical supports needed. They might be doing that so the can save on costs, cause if the have less vertical supports that means less footers, or they could be doing it to create the illusion of nothing really supporting the lift hill. Either way I think it is going to be a very nice looking coaster with the truss under the lift hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatetoFLY Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Judging by the pictures I don't think it will be a vertical lift. I would say it will be normal lift maybe 45 degree incline with far less or just different style of supports. I'm staying with a cable style lift along with a track for the maintenance/evac car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vacoaster Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Some of pointing this out over at kdfansite... I posted this over there and I'll post this here as well as we speculate a verticle left or angled lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitalize Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 ^ How do we know that piece is for the lift? Is that a piece with marking/paper on it saying its a lift pice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 ^ How do we know that piece is for the lift? Is that a piece with marking/paper on it saying its a lift pice? the stubs highlighted in pink are identical to the stubs on all the lift hill peices, where the stairs or ladder or elevator will attach. there are connectors directly adjacent to that which resemble track connectors (highlighted in blue). that definitely pegs this peice as a part of the lift apparatus. WHICH part is definitely confounding, but i challenge anyone to fit this peice into a standard 45 degree lift hill structure. tentatively, it looks to me like it fits better with either a vertical lift, or something altogether extremely weird that we haven't thought of. additionally: *IF* (and at this point this is still a big if) this is a vertical lift, there is about 380 feet of vertical lift track on-site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBru Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Wow, vacoaster, great find! If you are correct (and I'm almost positive you are, now), that will be one insane lift hill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisher1095 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 sheez...380 feet of vertical lift weightlessness....and I though Fahrenheit was insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarmor Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 ...Launched vertical cable lift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteocrepaldi Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 A vertical lift hill would save a lot of space a a lot of money for supports. I still can't imagine one that is so tall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themeparkman25 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I mean its not that unreasonable is it? Just take Top Thrill (pretty much), subtract the launch and there is your lift hill. Either the trains are going to be crazy short or you are going to literally get ejector air in the back. This coaster grows more interesting by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiSab Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 It won't be a vertical lift. In the picture below, I've conveniently circled attachments on one of the actual lift segments. These attachments will end up vertical once the lift is constructed, and will attach to the lift supports. Thus, the lift looks to be approximately at a 45* angle (the same at MF). That piece that they are saying is going to be the base of the lift, won't. I would expect it to be part of the lift support structure. Why? It has the same construction of the truss underneath the lift pieces. The flanges they think will attach to track pieces will probably just attach parts of the lift system to the support structure. Furthermore, it doesn't make much sense at all for a vertical lift. If greenspandan is correct in that there's 380 feet of lift track on site at this point, that's a massive lift height. I can't imagine that they'd make a mechanical lift that tall. The forces on the train as it goes up a vertical lift that tall would be crazy. Plus, with the rest of the lift and all the other parts, the total height would likely exceed 400 feet (adding the lift crest and the height off the ground where the ride begins) - this is a gigacoaster, not a stratacoaster. The entire structure just seems too bulky to be a vertical lift. I would think that they would have less support on the track pieces themselves, and more on the structure supporting the lift and drop. Plus, the straight lift pieces have connections for a catwalk, and there are pictures of catwalk pieces in the lot (I think) - vertical lifts usually don't have catwalks. Finally, if that part that you all are thinking is that beginning of the lift is in fact going to have lift track on it, why isn't the lift track on it already? I mean, the other lift pieces came off the trucks with the coaster track already attached - why wouldn't this piece? Just seems counter-productive to me. Like I said, I would look for this piece to be one of the parts of the support of the 45* cable lift hill. ...but i challenge anyone to fit this peice into a standard 45 degree lift hill structure. Done and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loefet Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 ^ I was just going to post that... But I also claim that this is going to be an about 45° lift hill, since going any steeper then they have to reduce the length of the trains so that they would be able to hoist them up the lift. Steeper lift = more strain on the lifting device... It's more likely that the foundation at the bottom will have a 45° plane that the bottom piece will attach to. The reason why there is so little support connectors is that the truss sections are incredible strong, which would mean that they might only have a total of 3 supports on the whole lift, instead of the massive towers that MF have. But a vertical/Beyond vertical drop would be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsasamccormick Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I don't mean to be rude, but i cannot believe people thought it was going to be a verdical lift.... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homeboy23 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Round 1: Launch vs. Lift Round 2: Vertical vs. 45* Round 3: TBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsasamccormick Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Round 3: 5,880 ft in length vs 16,034 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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