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My visit this past weekend was great, even with Saturday being very busy and me missing out on FL until Sunday.    I went into Orion not having followed its construction or watched a POV or even

Get over it man.  You've made your point and we get it; it's silly that this park did not do a Winterfest-lite.  Make the 8 hour drive to KD if you want to experience that, just like all of us with KD

At the risk of veering off topic, people are just incredibly selective in what causes of death they choose to care about. People only care if it's high-profile, tragic accident, something new and scar

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Wow, they sure made Racer look pretty for a ride that's (for some reason) closed for the event.

 

I suspect the park is using their Winterfest budget to pay for park infrastructure upgrades. Last year for Winterfest the park installed a new computer control system which can control the lighting for the entire park. Plus RGB lighting on some paths and International Street. This year they installed similar lighting on Racer and Mystic Timbers and I suspect other locations I did not notice.

 

Last years upgrades were what made the fireworks show this year a possibility. Otherwise it would have just been the same old show, just play some pop music and launch a bunch of fireworks.

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I went shopping at Jungle Jims over the weekend and ran into a manager and asked him. According to him the size difference is minor, Eastgate is actually the larger of the two, but we are talking 215,000 sq ft. vs 185,000 sq ft., except they used the extra space to make the aisles wider so he believed they both have about the same number of products.

 

I've been to both multiple times and really just go to whichever one I happen to be closest too. They're both completely awesome, they're both easy to accidentally spend 2 or 3 hours in, and they both sell stroopwafels.

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Had a great time on Sunday night at Winterfest!

 

I suspect that the park will be adding a much larger ride roster next season with these crowds. Back lot, Antique Cars, Racer, Delirium, Adventure Express, Monster and Woodstock Express would be nice additions.

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Had a great time on Sunday night at Winterfest!

 

I suspect that the park will be adding a much larger ride roster next season with these crowds. Back lot, Antique Cars, Racer, Delirium, Adventure Express, Monster and Woodstock Express would be nice additions.

 

I would assume that the antique cars would be added, but certain coasters do not run well in colder weather.

 

I do wonder what coaster will replace mystic timbers eventually, as it will need off season track replacement at some point.

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Swung by the park last Sunday and put myself up to a little project of doing a timelapse video out of it. Hope y'all enjoy, it kinda took the whole night to do.

 

 

Close to the end of the night when it dropped to lower 30's and my hands got a little numb, it was lovely getting two walk-on rides on Flight of Fear and warming up at the same time. Really glad they added it. Last hour in the park seemed to be the best time to get your marathons in on the coasters.

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Thanks all, really appreciate it!

Yes!! Very enjoyable to watch! How did you manage to slowly turn and zoom the camdera during the shot?? That was cool.

Each frame is an individual photo, and their resolutions are bigger than the video frame, so I could zoom and pan around the large image.

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I would assume that the antique cars would be added, but certain coasters do not run well in colder weather.

 

We're still doing this, huh?

 

Revolution can't have lapbars because its illegal in CA to have inversions without OTSRs. Wood coasters can't launch or go upside down. It's impossible to put floorless trains on a standup coaster because the heartline is totally different.

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I would assume that the antique cars would be added, but certain coasters do not run well in colder weather.

 

We're still doing this, huh?

 

Revolution can't have lapbars because its illegal in CA to have inversions without OTSRs. Wood coasters can't launch or go upside down. It's impossible to put floorless trains on a standup coaster because the heartline is totally different.

Huh?

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Revolution can't have lapbars because its illegal in CA to have inversions without OTSRs. Wood coasters can't launch or go upside down. It's impossible to put floorless trains on a standup coaster because the heartline is totally different.

 

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In my two and a half years of living out here I still haven't been to Jungle Jim's despite all the praise for it. I guess I have been somewhat avoiding it because I have a weakness for groceries and at no point have I been like, "Hey, I have enough disposable income right now, I should totally go spend $200 on specialty groceries today." I didn't know about all the cool stuff to see though so I will definitely make it more of a priority especially when I'm looking for stuff to do this January.

 

I barely made it to two hours of WinterFest on Friday but I took some pictures while I was there. I haven't had time to even think about putting them up but when finals are over I'll hopefully get the chance to do so, and also tell the story of the shopkeeper who stole my Secret Santa animals.

 

I'll share just a few pictures for now to whet the appetite and in case I never get around to posting the rest, at least I contributed a little holiday cheer to this thread

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People are told complete BS all the time by parks - like obvious bold faced lies - and run with it as being truth. Is there actually a temperature listed in the B&M operations manuals that prevents them from running in the cold? I mean, I seriously doubt that there is if for no other reason than Six Flags does it *all the time* and Dollywood does it *all the time* and BGW does it *all the time* and SDC does it *all the time*. If they aren't following the manual of procedures as set by the manufacturer, they're going to run into all sorts of gnarly issues with insurance. It also means I have to believe Ohio has more regulatory requirements than Ed Markey's home state of Massachusetts or the state where they forced Great Adventure to redo the control system of Kingda Ka, lest it actually operate at the same time as Zumanjaro.

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People are told complete BS all the time by parks - like obvious bold faced lies - and run with it as being truth. Is there actually a temperature listed in the B&M operations manuals that prevents them from running in the cold? I mean, I seriously doubt that there is ....

 

Here is what I know. I worked as a ride operations supervisor for GL for a few seasons during the CF era. We were flat out instructed by maintenance not to begin test running rides until temperatures were above 40f and that that was the recommendation from B&M and other ride manufacturers. Was this listed in our SOP? I honestly can't remember. And our SOP's (Standard Operating Procedures) were written in house based off the recommendations from every ride manufacturer.

 

I never once saw an original ride manual for any ride in the park and most SOPs at the time were carry overs from the pre-SF days or the SF days. (ironically some terminated SF management took SOPs with them and we had to rewrite a lot of the ones we used based off tribal knowledge) A lot of times an SOP would be typed up from being on-site with the engineers and being taught to operate the rides from them. I was there when XF was being installed for example. We would then take that info and write our manuals.

 

So I can't confirm or deny the fact that there is a written recommendation on operating temps. But even as an operator we were told that 40 degree mark was the magic number. Again probably doesn't help since we know some parks and some chains operate below this mark but while I was at a CF park we were forbidden to start testing if it was below that mark.

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Here is what I know. I worked as a ride operations supervisor for GL for a few seasons during the CF era. We were flat out instructed by maintenance not to begin test running rides until temperatures were above 40f and that that was the recommendation from B&M and other ride manufacturers. Was this listed in our SOP? I honestly can't remember. And our SOP's (Standard Operating Procedures) were written in house based off the recommendations from every ride manufacturer.

 

And that's fine. Let me ask you: Do you think New Jersey would not have it regulated multiple times in the 232 pages of amusement industry regulations (I cheated and looked already, obviously) that parks defer to operations manuals provided to them by the manufacturers? Alternately, do you think it's possible that there was a determination made in-house by someone at CF as to what "safe operating temperature was" which was above the possibly nonexistent such figure provided by the manufacturer? Consider the preponderance of evidence for a moment. I'm not telling you that it isn't true, but I'm just asking you to think critically.

 

Which do you think sounds better to tell a front line employee (who will then interact with guests outside the closed ride): "Maintenance determined that the ride was unsafe to run because of temperatures" *OR* "management would like to skip staffing this attraction if possible to save a few bucks at the end/beginning of the season when crowds would be expected to be light, ergo it's closed, please visit our souvenir stand"?

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I've never seen an operating manual from a manufacturer not have some sort of information on weather. At the very least, they all mention "In case you couldn't figure this out on your own, rides are giant lightning rods." That being said, I have not seen a B&M one, so can't speak to that specifically.

 

However, it is not far fetched to assume cold weather plays a role in the operation of a ride, given that there are so many variables. It not surprise me at all if Cedar Fair had their own internal policy based on their past experiences with rides, which once they codify it into their own SOP, counts the same as the manufacturer SOP for legal purposes.

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Here is what I know. I worked as a ride operations supervisor for GL for a few seasons during the CF era. We were flat out instructed by maintenance not to begin test running rides until temperatures were above 40f and that that was the recommendation from B&M and other ride manufacturers. Was this listed in our SOP? I honestly can't remember. And our SOP's (Standard Operating Procedures) were written in house based off the recommendations from every ride manufacturer.

 

And that's fine. Let me ask you: Do you think New Jersey would not have it regulated multiple times in the 232 pages of amusement industry regulations (I cheated and looked already, obviously) that parks defer to operations manuals provided to them by the manufacturers? Alternately, do you think it's possible that there was a determination made in-house by someone at CF as to what "safe operating temperature was" which was above the possibly nonexistent such figure provided by the manufacturer? Consider the preponderance of evidence for a moment. I'm not telling you that it isn't true, but I'm just asking you to think critically.

 

Which do you think sounds better to tell a front line employee (who will then interact with guests outside the closed ride): "Maintenance determined that the ride was unsafe to run because of temperatures" *OR* "management would like to skip staffing this attraction if possible to save a few bucks at the end/beginning of the season when crowds would be expected to be light, ergo it's closed, please visit our souvenir stand"?

 

Oh I'm not saying you're wrong. And I'm not saying the 40 degree temp is right. Not even trying to argue as I think it's ridiculous. I'm just saying what I know from experience and what we were told from our maintenance guys. Is it true? I don't know. Could they just be over cautious so they don't have to do an evac on a ride that didn't complete it's course? Maybe. There were plenty of mornings we tried to test run in late October and trains wouldn't make it through the course. First runs for each train were always white knuckle hoping you'd see it hit the brake runs!

 

The 40 degree mark we used could have easily come from an insurance lawyer who decided what was best.

 

But this could be settled easily with some interviews! A lot of industry fan websites and vlogs have been interviewing ride designers like the gentlemen from B&M, Intamin, Vekoma and RMC, someone should ask! I'd love to see some ride/park urban legends put to rest from the designers themselves!

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