mike_kelly Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 The new restraints look interesting considering they now look a lot like the Wing Rider shoulder restraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 ^ I agree. B&M's are quite fun. I enjoyed all of the ones I ave ridden. I think the only B&M rides that I didn't find to be at least "fun" were the old stand-up coasters (Riddler's Revenge and Georgia Scorcher are two exceptions). I think they're batting .500 for me when it comes to their new Wing coasters (liked Wild Eagle, didn't care all that much for Gatekeeper). It'll be interesting to see how Banshee turns out. I do like the color scheme and theming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP2000 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I don't get why people don't like the new B&Ms. All B&ms are amazing! The only one I didn't find great was Mantis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_kelly Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 ^ I agree. B&M's are quite fun. I enjoyed all of the ones I ave ridden. I think the only B&M rides that I didn't find to be at least "fun" were the old stand-up coasters (Riddler's Revenge and Georgia Scorcher are two exceptions). I think they're batting .500 for me when it comes to their new Wing coasters (liked Wild Eagle, didn't care all that much for Gatekeeper). It'll be interesting to see how Banshee turns out. I do like the color scheme and theming. The only one I really disliked is Intimidator, it might have been fun if it hadn't had trim breaks on virtually every hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invertalon Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I enjoy all B&M rides... Even the new so-called "forceless" ones. Extreme forces are not that appealing to me anymore (never really have been, either). Banshee is going to be incredible, I have no doubt about that and look forward to April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Monte Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 To me it's perfectly fine for a coaster to be fun. I love rides with major forces, but that doesn't mean they have to all be that way... Or else. This ride looks great!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 ^ I agree. B&M's are quite fun. I enjoyed all of the ones I ave ridden. I think the only B&M rides that I didn't find to be at least "fun" were the old stand-up coasters (Riddler's Revenge and Georgia Scorcher are two exceptions). I think they're batting .500 for me when it comes to their new Wing coasters (liked Wild Eagle, didn't care all that much for Gatekeeper). It'll be interesting to see how Banshee turns out. I do like the color scheme and theming. The only one I really disliked is Intimidator, it might have been fun if it hadn't had trim breaks on virtually every hill. It really suffers when compared to I305 at Kings Dominion; then again, the Carowinds ride does have the advantage of actually running at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie200330 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Unique layout, no MCBR, I like it! The color is cool as well. Apparently top speed isn't reached until the second half, so that's pretty cool. Should give it great pace and an intense second half! That was my thinking....the pace will not be broken up by the MCBR. Also as far as the colors....I would imagine this is gonna look pretty sweet and stand out when viewed from up on the Eiffel Tower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildStangAlex Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Anyone else notice how the ending is a near mirror image of X-Flight? Yes, and that excites me. I really love the super slow twist on X Flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Cool Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 I am definitely digging the layout. An awesome looping addition for Kings Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonRugbyGuy Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 I'm in love with this coaster. I love the colors, the logo, the theme, everything. I'm definitely making plans to go to Kings Island for the first time next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyknottsville Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Coaster looks great!!! B&M inverts are my favorite model by them What I don't get though is the pricing? Why did this coaster cost $24 mill dollars that seam very expensive for an older model coaster that's not even over 200 feet tall and under 5000 feet in length. Leviathan cost $28 mill and it's a Giga coaster so I can see when the $25 million and up figures are coming from those things are huge!!! but an inverted for $24 mill Could be the new trains is what made this thing so expensive??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhcbiinoc Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 I think it was a fantastic addition to KI's lineup and a good fit, and although there is no way to be certain until anyone rides it, it looks as if this will be one of B&M's best inverted models in a long time. Great layout, unique and not so cookie cutter, and that drop and zero-g look epic to me. Not only that, but the marketing was brilliant. The Bat fake site was a great diversion from the leaked blueprints that turned out to be real. All in all, I think KI hit a home run with this and I hope it pays off well for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor6 Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 I'm really excited for Banshee! Inverts are my favorite B&M coaster type and it's about time that another one opens only a few hours away. My sister is moving to the Dayton area fairly soon and this gives me a very good reason to visit her next spring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyRCT3 Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 ^ I agree. B&M's are quite fun. I enjoyed all of the ones I ave ridden. Exactly. Regardless of how "forceless" it is, no b&m is truly bad. Coaster looks great!!! B&M inverts are my favorite model by them What I don't get though is the pricing? Why did this coaster cost $24 mill dollars that seam very expensive for an older model coaster that's not even over 200 feet tall and under 5000 feet in length. Leviathan cost $28 mill and it's a Giga coaster so I can see when the $25 million and up figures are coming from those things are huge!!! but an inverted for $24 mill Could be the new trains is what made this thing so expensive??? Here are a few factors relating to the cost, remember the $24 mil is the overall investment (meaning all the money spent on anything to do with the coaster). -Recession (the cost of everything is rising, and steel is not cheap). And we all know coasters just keep getting even more expensive each year. -The overall size and scale of this coaster, the next biggest thing when it comes to overall size is Alpengeist. -The demolition of SOB. -Coaster is built onto the terrain, just look at the support work for everything following the first V-Loop. Much Longer steel supports required due to the tricky terrain, if this coaster were to be built on a flat surface a lot less steel would be needed. This is probably why large coasters aren't "Nemesis" when it comes to forces. Much larger track pieces and stronger(bigger) supports would be needed. So making the transitions smoother puts less stress on the track, which leads to less supports and steel needed to strengthen the ride due to excessive forces. Leading to an overall cheaper ride. Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfkk Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 About the three trains, if there was room on the break run, why not just have a separate load and unload area for the coaster? That would increase capacity and you wouldn't have to sit on the break run and wait to unload. The only reason I could think for not doing this is it would require maybe one extra person to staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmicha Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 ^And another station and everything involved with a station including mechanicals, pedestrian access, safety equipment, etc. And even then it's entirely possible that with how quick inverted coasters tend to load and unload that it wouldn't really even matter in terms of hourly capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatdan Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Kind of given B&M a bad rep...and I DO get it, their rides have become much less forceful, trimming the hypers. The hypers made in the apparent "heyday" of B&M (1999) included trim brakes day one. For all of the complaining that people have about B&M rides, I know one thing... I can't think of one B&M ride made since 2001 that has experienced short lines after a few years. The general public seems to eat them up, so why bother changing them? And, for the record, I think that what B&M has done with some of the newer rides is actually really outstanding. Wing Riders give a wholly different experience than inverts for instance, giving parks a reason to have both. ^And another station and everything involved with a station including mechanicals, pedestrian access, safety equipment, etc. And even then it's entirely possible that with how quick inverted coasters tend to load and unload that it wouldn't really even matter in terms of hourly capacity. Without going super dork here, the way that the ride is paced means that adding a second station if the crew is good should gain them nothing. The ride is timed so that the lift and the course take the same basic amount of time, and comparing it to earlier B&M inverts, this will actually have a longer load / unload time then your average Batman clone or Raptor. Theoretical capacity should be around 1500 / hour. A second station would be a complete waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanM64 Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 ^That was actually one question I had. What exactly is the capacity of- say- a Batman clone, just to get and idea of what Banshee's would be like. With a good crew the Batman clones just eat people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatdan Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 ^ It depends on *which* Batman clone you're talking about, as well as if it is theoretical or actual. Real world, I'd say that the Batman clones can probably chew through 1,000ish people an hour with a motivated crew and the right circumstances. I'm guessing that Banshee real world will probably be closer to 1,200ish, but understand that is based on pure speculation right now until the ride is built and we see what the actual thing runs like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinacaniac Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 I am really curious to see how the new trains work out for them. I have not yet been on a Wing Rider yet, so I can't give my own personal testimony to how they are. Granted I also do not know how exactly these compare in size to the older trains, I still would be really curious to see if any of the parks with B&M inverts (especially Cedar Fair Parks) would go ahead and replace the older trains with this newer train. It doesn't look like the new trains are a huge difference in length and width from the old ones, so it wouldn't be like trying to swap Apollo's trains for ones like Behemoth or Intimidator. As for the ride itself, It will be interesting to see how the elevation change effects the speed of the ride. With regards to the comments regarding how B&M coasters have been over the past decade, I think it is safe to say that we all have different opinions about what makes a ride good, and what makes a ride great. For those who feel like some people are bashing B&M too much, I believe we can all agree that B&M has not made their rides as intense as their older ones. It is also true that many of their coasters have had some, if not many, similar features. I also don't think most people who are critical of B&M's practices are saying they hate their rides, but simply that the ride doesn't do what they would like it to do. For those who feel like some give B&M too much credit, I think we can also agree that B&M rides, while maybe not as innovative or as extreme as others, are still fun rides. Features may be similar, but in many cases there is still something that sticks out about a lot of their rides. For me, I feel like the surrounding area can add/takeaway from a ride as much as the actual layout of the ride itself. If you took a ride like Nemesis, and built it with the exact same layout as it is, but on top of a flat piece of land, yes it could still be very forceful, but the ride would loose a little bit of the experience without the close proximity to the ground/trenches. Sometimes the flatness can add to the experience, such as with many hyper coasters since it can add to the feeling of how high up you are. In all honesty, I don't see what is wrong with people saying how they think a ride will be if they can support why they think it will be that way. I also don't see anything wrong with sharing their opinion, even if it is in disagreement with that of another poster here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonsaiisuperstar Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 A news report from yesterday stated that Banshee can move 1400 people an hour. That's a real people eater! B&M was a no brainer for KI. The Diamondback is NEVER down. (I bet its uptime is over 99%) KI needed a home run with this one. Not a Bat that fails in 3 years or SOB that injures people and was terrible. They needed a beautiful looking, inverted coaster that eats people and has a tremendous uptime. They just purchased one for 24 million. I am excited for 2014 media day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 The Diamondback is NEVER down. (I bet its uptime is over 99%) Hmm--that seems to be a wee bit of an exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koasterking48 Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 ^ Just a wee bit , but every time I visit, I've never encountered downtime while waiting to ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 I saw them evac it the last time I was at KI (three years ago). But they did get it up and running pretty later that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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