Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

[Skramp]

Stengel, maybe a homage to the designer of SOB? Maybe Stengel came out of retirement to help with this ride?

 

There was a news article mentioning that the same designer for this designed SOB, which didn't make much sense to me because clearly RCCA and B&M are completely different companies - I never thought about the Stengel connection.

 

 

Almost, the news article said this:

 

"The new coaster’s designer also created The Beast, which has held the record as the world’s longest wooden roller coaster – and has remained on the list of the world’s top wooden coasters – since it was built in 1979."

 

And if my thinking is right, wasn't it John Allen who designed The Beast (and the Racers). But he died in 1979. The other two designers listed for the Beast are Al Collins and Jeff Gramke. Anyone know about them?

[XYZ]

Stengel, maybe a homage to the designer of SOB? Maybe Stengel came out of retirement to help with this ride?

 

There was a news article mentioning that the same designer for this designed SOB, which didn't make much sense to me because clearly RCCA and B&M are completely different companies - I never thought about the Stengel connection.

 

 

Almost, the news article said this:

 

"The new coaster’s designer also created The Beast, which has held the record as the world’s longest wooden roller coaster – and has remained on the list of the world’s top wooden coasters – since it was built in 1979."

 

And if my thinking is right, wasn't it John Allen who designed The Beast (and the Racers). But he died in 1979. The other two designers listed for the Beast are Al Collins and Jeff Gramke. Anyone know about them?

 

Perhaps the news article mistaken The Beast for Son of Beast?

[DanM64]

^This! The article probably meant to say SOB. I really hope Stengel was involved with this project. Old school B&M inverts are among my favorite coasters anywhere!

Edited August 2, 2013 by DanM64

[BigDipper 80]

The article states that Jeff Gramke drew up the zoning plans for Project 2014, so the Enquirer is crediting him as the ride designer. So since he did work on The Beast, their statement is valid, if not a bit confusing. They definitely meant Beast, not SoB.

 

Jeff Gramke, the park’s manager of facilities, engineering and construction, drew the zoning plans filed with the city of Mason.

 

The new coaster’s designer [Jeff Gramke] also created The Beast [...]

[yay101]

Al Collins helped to design Tornado at Stricker's Grove. Other than that, I can't find much on any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if they helped design the new coaster.

[Locostitch]

The thing I do not understand is why would they but "Stengel" on a tomb

[TyRush]

The thing I do not understand is why would they but "Stengel" on a tomb

Cause he may be involved in the design

[Skramp]

Stengel has worked with B&M before on coasters, so maybe he had a hand in designing this new B&M invert for KI and that's why he's on the tombstone?

[i<3coasters]

So in both of these instances there technically is a MCBR however it just happens to be at the end of the ride. Only difference being that Tatsu only has 4 blocks (Station, Lift, MCBR (Block Brake), and Transfer aka Station approach) where as Leviathan has 5.

 

Does Tatsu's dual-load station count for a 5th block? Always wondered about that...

[John Peck]

This is Cedar Fair, there has got to be a mid-course brake in there somewhere to run 3 trains.

 

Kinda screwed up my post there... that's what I get for posting at 6:33am...

 

It seems as though "most" of the Cedar Fair B&M's at the 2 Million+ Guest parks have gotten rides with 3 trains. And since this likely won't move as fast as say, Leviathan, I'm pretty sure there will be a mid-course in there someplace.

 

Was that better?

[Jhcbiinoc]

Based on the blueprints, I think the "mid course" brakes will actually come at the end of the ride, similar to how it is on Tatsu.

 

I feel bad for KI...they obviously tried so hard to keep this a secret, down to track not being out in the open at CSF-and then the blueprints were leaked. I hope in the future we don't see perimeter fences and armed guards around CSF!

 

One thing I do find interesting: the way certain parts of the blueprints were covered (perhaps to conceal the manufacturer name or the coaster name/logo) and the fact that the video has not been taken down and the park has not commented make me wonder if this might have been a "sanctioned leak"...in any case, I am anxious to see the full reveal next week. I think a weekend trip to KI might become part of my travel plans for 2014...

[RideTheEdge]

I'm hoping it's a flying coaster rather than an inverted, but that's just me. I can't wait to hear what it is!

[Koasterking48]

^ KI already has Firehawk, so the chances for that are very slim.

[Aceattack52]

So in both of these instances there technically is a MCBR however it just happens to be at the end of the ride. Only difference being that Tatsu only has 4 blocks (Station, Lift, MCBR (Block Brake), and Transfer aka Station approach) where as Leviathan has 5.

 

Does Tatsu's dual-load station count for a 5th block? Always wondered about that...

Excellent question, and I would say yes.

[mudvayneimn]

Based on the blueprints, I think the "mid course" brakes will actually come at the end of the ride, similar to how it is on Tatsu.

 

I feel bad for KI...they obviously tried so hard to keep this a secret, down to track not being out in the open at CSF-and then the blueprints were leaked. I hope in the future we don't see perimeter fences and armed guards around CSF!

 

One thing I do find interesting: the way certain parts of the blueprints were covered (perhaps to conceal the manufacturer name or the coaster name/logo) and the fact that the video has not been taken down and the park has not commented make me wonder if this might have been a "sanctioned leak"...in any case, I am anxious to see the full reveal next week. I think a weekend trip to KI might become part of my travel plans for 2014...

 

In some cases plans become accessible to the public after being submitted to planning boards/local governments. They can be viewed by residents/general public if you know what you're looking for. Not saying that's the case here but it might explain why the video hasn't been taken down and the media can discuss those submitted plans without any action but silence from KI....just throwing in my .02

[Vonni]

I know I'm probably wrong, but this even could be a fake. There may be an entirely different layout. That actually would be really cool, and a huge surprise!

[adamd]

Part of me thinks the "blueprint" was a plan by KI and was purposely put out, so when they announce the ride it will be a surprise to everyone. They could say they fooled everyone if that were the case.

[XYZ]

I don't buy into the fake layout. It would take a good amount of effort to create those blueprints. Plus, a decent amount of footers on the blueprint have already been poured/preparing to be poured.

 

Though, I do know there is a good chance that the blueprints are fake.

[Vonni]

I know this is reaching, but for speculation/discussion sake, the blueprint we are seeing could have been one of a few options for the addition and is not the actual addition they chose?! Lol I'm having way too much fun with this, I know!

[adamd]

I know this is reaching, but for speculation/discussion sake, the blueprint we are seeing could have been one of a few options for the addition and is not the actual addition they chose?! Lol I'm having way too much fun with this, I know!

 

That's what I'm leaning toward. Even if it is an invert it may be a different layout as I'm sure when a park asks for a ride they present multiple different designs.

[Vonni]

^ Exactly! You and I could be completely wrong, but I'm hoping we are not because that would just be too much fun lol!

[trj820]

^^ I remember watching a review with a guy from RMC on IRat, and he stated that they presented Six Flags five designs, and they picked the one that was built.

[Aceattack52]

By the looks of the Yahoo "Trending Now" section, this stuff it getting a lot of traction among the GP, too.

[SbSteveZ]

I Know this is probably from a page or two back, by now. But Someone said that the Millennium Force, Didn't Have a Mid-Section Break run, If we go by the possibility of the MSBR being at the end, Millennium Force (as I see it) Has a MSBR right before the Safety breaks:

Im pretty sure this is right, but I could be wrong... Just trying to resolve the "No MSBR on Millennium" thing!

[BigDipper 80]

That's not a MCBR. The train will only clear the lift once the train on the safties is in the unload station. That's why the train sometimes slows down on the lift, because the train hasn't parked in the unload station yet.