Blue Turbo Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 ^But especially on a B&M hyper. The way the seats are inclined with the clamshell restraints makes then super secure and seatbelts virtually useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyRCT3 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 See? No big deal then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFOGdude25 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Seat belts really don't bother me, so I'm not complaining, but I am still curious as to why Kings Island decided to do this. Sure it's extra safety, but B&M's lap bar design is basically foolproof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I think everyone agrees that they don't really change the experience but they still slow dispatch times (even though it may be just a bit) and, given that they are pretty much useless I don't see why they should do this at all. Plus, as ajfelice said, it will be just another thing that will require maintenance and repair while being totally unnecessary. That's what many find annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal1br3tto Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 There are always people worried about the effects on the ride experience, but the issue for me is the unnecessary change that could harm capacity (and definitely does at some poorly operated rides). The ride experience should be the same. It really only makes a difference when the seatbelt is much closer to the body than the primary restraint, as with buzz bars. Even then you still get to enjoy the benefits of the higher restraint, since the belt has plenty of give. Â Mostly irrelevant side note: I really like when parks install retractable seatbelts. No need to buckle them on empty seats, easy to be certain they're buckled (I assume), no need to for operators to tighten them if that's required, and little chance of riders struggling to adjust them. (What this has to do with Diamondback is, uh, nothing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Password121 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I absolutely agree that they are a pain from a maintenance standpoint, but I don't think it's necessarily that big a deal. I rarely, if ever, hear people complain about Millenium Force or Intamin hypers having seatbelts, and the decreased capacity really comes down to the ride operators. If this was Six Flags, capacity would be severely effected, I'm sure of it. But Millenium Force has great capacity and rarely stacks at all, so I think it comes down to efficiency of the operations. Same with I-305- after it's debut year, most people don't complain about the OTSR's, which need to be buckled. My point is that it comes down to the operations. Now, I don't see it necessary, as most, if not all B&M hypers don't have seatbelts, but I don't see it as a major issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 ^The thing is that MF always had them and, as to OTSR, almost all of them do have those buckles (but, yeah, if we think about it, they may also be unnecessary). Now adding them to a ride that didn't without anything happening is a bit weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonsaiisuperstar Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I was weird to ride DB last week with no belts and ride today with them. They don't seem to affect the ride. You can still leave a bit of space in your clamshell and lap belt and get wonderful floaty air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal1br3tto Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I rarely, if ever, hear people complain about Millenium Force or Intamin hypers having seatbelts, and the decreased capacity really comes down to the ride operators. Yeah, I feel our complaints are legitimate, but if you just want to start accepting it, it does help to remember the numerous rides that have had them forever, and ride fine with reasonable dispatch times. Â If this was Six Flags, capacity would be severely effected, I'm sure of it. And this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterkyle Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 All but the Hypers doesn't every other B&M have a seat belts and isn't the capacity still up there? (Mind you that is if you're at a park where they care about capacity) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 ^You're right but I think the buckles they have on their OTSRs are slightly easier and faster to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillrider Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I don't recall seat belts on raging bull or nitro or Apollo's chariot. I'm glad I got to ride db last week before the seat belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 ^I'm not sure about Raging Bull or Apollo's Chariot but I know Nitro once had them but were removed because they were considered UNNECESSARY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcdude Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I don't understand why parks feel the need to install redundant restraint systems on a ride that has been operating perfectly fine for years without them, especially when no other installations of the same model have said restraint. I'm sure there is a behind-the-scenes reason (probably insurance related), but to me it makes little sense. Not sure how much this will affect Diamondback's capacity, but I'm sure there'll be a measurable drop. Fortunately, it shouldn't affect the ride experience, only the line experience. Â Now to see if Intimidator, Behemoth, and/or Leviathan wind up with seatbelts this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyRCT3 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 ^Safety standards, insurance. Whatever the reason is, they have good reason to install them. Or else they wouldn't have, no one likes wasting money. Â It's for the better I suppose. There is still going to be that lovely floater air, so...yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megametal Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 If I can still enjoy my rides on Steel Force at Dorney Park or Magnum at CP, which has had seat belts for many years, people can enjoy Diamondback with seatbelts too. And I doubt they'd effect the ride as much as the belts do on the Arrow and Morgan ones anyway. This isn't like when Magic Mountain added OTSRs to Revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillseeker4552 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Bummer that they added seat belts. But it's good that it doesn't have an effect on the ride. Has there been a death, or even an accident, on any B&M? Ever? (From riders aboard the train, not idiots who trespass under an inverted coaster to retrieve a hat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linearinduction Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I love how most people assume safety belts on coasters are actually there as a restraint, when 90%+ are actually there to determine if the rider's body proportions are adequate to be safely restrained by the restraint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigaG Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I love how most people assume safety belts on coasters are actually there as a restraint, when 90%+ are actually there to determine if the rider's body proportions are adequate to be safely restrained by the restraint. Â Then why doesn't any other B&M hyper owned by any other park have these belts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koasterking48 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 They are redundant accessories that serve literally no other purpose on this coaster than extra security. I'm not necessarily upset of the extra time it takes to dispatch as I am flustered with why they needed to do them. But, I'm sure the park didn't want them so insurance companies are probably involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesdude Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Well, crap. Apparently Diamondback has seatbelts. Â Hey look, I took that! Â https://twitter.com/nesdude/status/459785965305737216 Â Yeah, it's interesting. Dispatches were down today and there was stacking on the final brake run, but it wasn't that bad. Honestly, I'm surprised at how little the belt did. I'm a decently large dude at 255 and the belt didn't do much to me. My girlfriend (about 140) said she didn't notice a lack of airtime either. Â Interesting to note, the test seat is still the three click go/no go light. No seat belt there. Â As for the park today, what a great day. Did everything and more in 6 hours. Banshee back row night time is insane. Beast is running fantastic too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linearinduction Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I love how most people assume safety belts on coasters are actually there as a restraint, when 90%+ are actually there to determine if the rider's body proportions are adequate to be safely restrained by the restraint. Â Then why doesn't any other B&M hyper owned by any other park have these belts? My statement was in regards to those who falsely believe most safety belts on roller coasters are a safety device when in fact more than 90% are not a safety device what so ever. I think it's safe to say this was not a decision made by a manufacturer but could have everything to do with insurance, park management wanting to make the ride appear safer, or using them to determine if a Rider's Body Proportions can be safely accommodated by a restraint. You wouldn't believe some of the BS these insurance companies care about and what they completely ignore. I'm sure if RC was still at the park, there would be no safety belts on Diamondback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Has there been a death, or even an accident, on any B&M? Ever? (From riders aboard the train, not idiots who trespass under an inverted coaster to retrieve a hat) I don't think so (apart from a woman who once died from a heart attack) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 All I can think of as far as B&M accidents are the Dominator and Raging Bull deaths caused by pre existing conditions that had nothing to do with the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 ^I think something similar happened on the Incredible Hulk, but, yes, nothing to do with the ride itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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