jmicha Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 ^I find it kind of ironic that that coaster, in its current location, was used for an accident scene in CSI a few years back, and it was brought up on this topic about accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdstrom Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 ^ I didn't realize it is still in USA. I wonder if they already added a belt or a lapbar. Hmm, can anyone verify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBru Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 So is Tig'rr at Indiana Beach now the only coaster in the US/World with no restraints whatsoever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalMAN123 Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 In the case of over-sufficient restraints, I nominate Revolution. Either keep one or the other, lap bars or OTSRs. ---Brent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattnz Posted June 11, 2008 Author Share Posted June 11, 2008 In the case of over-sufficient restraints, I nominate Revolution. Either keep one or the other, lap bars or OTSRs.---Brent Agreed! And now that I've finally been on my first looping Schwarzkopf (Mind Bender at SFoG), I can see why OTSRs are totally unnecessary. I say take 'em off all coasters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim S. Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 So is Tig'rr at Indiana Beach now the only coaster in the US/World with no restraints whatsoever? Leap The Dips has no restraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumba830 Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 So does Mad Mouse at Little Amerricka There are a few bunny hops on that ride, where you feel like you're going to fly out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odene497 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I felt really vulnerable on Phoenix at Knoebel's. A single position buzz bar, no seat belt, and insane air. I felt like it'd be really easy to slip out. Of course, that's what made it so fun and awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesdillaman Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 So is Tig'rr at Indiana Beach now the only coaster in the US/World with no restraints whatsoever? Leap The Dips has no restraints. Besides Tig'rr had seatblets as of last season... -James Dillaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Behemoth_Lady_Jess Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I felt really vulnerable on Phoenix at Knoebel's. A single position buzz bar, no seat belt, and insane air. I felt like it'd be really easy to slip out. Of course, that's what made it so fun and awesome. Same can be said for the famous Playland Coaster. Ok maybe not THAT famous but anyways. Look at how wide open the trains are too. Sure, it scares the hell out of me every time I ride it, but that's why it's so exciting. And that is what rollercoasters are supposed to do; make you think that you're going be thrown off without actually letting you fall off. http://rcdb.com/320.htm?p=390 Insufficient? I don't think so. Anyone ever died on it? Not as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atem122 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Hi Miler at the LA County Fair! That little canvas strap sure made for some scary moments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterComet Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 no no no no! This topic is named wrong Shoulder harness cause more (mostly minor, but still painful) injuries than not having enough 'restraints'. I hope you enjoy Mind Bender in Atlanta. It's still firmly at the top of my steel list (I'm not a big B&M or 'new' Intamin coaster fan). It's fun time after time, year after year. I often describe it as a smooth woodie (with airtime/laterals) with 2 nice big loops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmaxsba2408 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I felt really vulnerable on Phoenix at Knoebel's. A single position buzz bar, no seat belt, and insane air. I felt like it'd be really easy to slip out. Of course, that's what made it so fun and awesome. Those types of bars are what in my opinion should still be used on ALL wooden coasters. They give you the freedom you need to ride comfortably and just enough safety. The lap bars used these days are very painful on a air time filled wooden coaster. It's like you spine is being pulled out of your a$$ because the lap bar won't let your a$$ leave the seat. Lets not forget about where the great lap bars these days are attached to the trains. They are right where the side of your leg is so you are constantly banging into it during the ride. I can only imagine how much more fun a ride on Voyage would be if it used the old fashion lap bar instead of the spine separators it's trains were built with. Edit: just read the post about new trains for Voyage. Now if we can just get them replace all the box type wooden coaster trains! The trains used on Dollywood's Thunderhead would be great also. Plenty of freedom on those trains. In one of the first posts of this thread a picture of a TOGO stand up coaster was used as a reference as restraints that are not safe. Been on the old King Cobra at Kings Island probably 50 times before they took it out and not once did I ever feel like I wasn't safe. I really miss that ride. To this day it is the ONLY stand up coaster I have ever ridden that had air time besides it's clone Shockwave at Kings Dominion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemical_echo Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 The one coaster where I actually got a good scare was Jack Rabbit at Kennywood. I thought just having a stationary lap bar and a small leather strap would provide excellent freedom. It didn't let me down when it felt like I was flying out of my seat on the double down. I once performed a small experiment when I worked at Dragon Fire at Canada's Wonderland dealing with forces and everything. The ride was empty and we were running trains with around 5-6 passengers each, and we found a penny in one of the back seats. We decided to leave it there to see if it would come back...it stayed in it's spot in the seat for a good 1.5 hours until we closed. We even checked to make sure nobody glued it to the seat. That little experiment kinda reassured me that doesn't matter what restraint, the forces will keep me in on loops and corkscrews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Does anyone else think that Rita/clones could have gone with the normal T-Bar? Without the shoulder part on the restraints you would fly forwards into the seat infront of you. The brakes are kind of harsh on Rita.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airtime&Gravity Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Cyclone at Lakeside only has a seat belt and metal bar to hold on to. It was pretty terrifying, but so much fun. There is also some good moments of airtime on the ride, and it surprises me that there aren't any other restraints. Greezed Lightning still only has lap bars which seems pretty minimal in today's world of OTSRs, but they still do a good job of keeping you secure. Whizzer and Tig'rr really don't't need the seat belts, but I can see why they were installed. They just don't seem to serve much of a purpose. Steel Hawg's restraints seem weird and over protective too. I can see the purpose they serve, but how the fit is just odd. The lap bar staples you in, and the OTSRs also fit tightly around you. The lap bar seems like it would be enough, as you aren't going anywhere when they are locked in place. The OTSRs don't seem to add that much more security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKI Jizzman Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Does anyone else think that Rita/clones could have gone with the normal T-Bar? Without the shoulder part on the restraints you would fly forwards into the seat infront of you. The brakes are kind of harsh on Rita.. Now that you say that, I totally understand. Many people say Maverick could have used the t-bars, but there are two braking parts where I'd say the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electerik Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 In my opinion, if special restraints are needed for the brakes, then the ride is either mis-engineered or very badly maintained. /If a lapbar can't do it, it shouldn't be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnottsDisneyFarm Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I was nervous riding Montezooma for the first time with only the lap restraint and seat-belt. That was before I understood physics and G-Forces. Now it is one of my favorite looping coasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBru Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 ^Does MR have seatbelts, in addition to the lapbar? (I've never ridden a Schwarzkopf with that type of train that had seatbelts...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atem122 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 ^Montezooma does have seatbelts...cmon, it's Cedar Fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travanx Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I am always super scared when riding Tatsu at SFMM. That's the only ride I think I have been on where if that fails, everyone goes plop. But I always worry when I share a lapbar with anyone. I am 6'4" 235 lbs and the bars on certain rides, especially Disneyland, don't close on my GF, let alone her little younger cousin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anac0nda Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Has anyone ridden a Zamperla Volare? To those never ridden one, there's absolutely nothing to keep you secured. You literally have to hold on for your life. Well, ok, maybe not for your life, but to have at least a bit more comfortable ride. Here's a pic showing the lack of restraints: clicky. The car is basically like a ladder, which is then raised to a horizontal position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disneyfan1313 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 B&M flyers restraints do freak me out for some reason. Even though I *know* I am safe.. it still feels like it isn't enough to hold me in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
australianalex Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Am I the only one still laughing at the "That's what she said" joke going over the OPs head? I really can't think of any rides where there are "insufficient" restraints. Often they may feel insufficient and somewhat unsafe, but at least 90% of the time they'll be perfectly safe. The remaining 10% are coasters in China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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