atem122 Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I personally would love a dark ride at SFMM as they really need a ride that you can sit down and relax (while being entertained) on. They'd need to make some major changes at SFMM though, I mean my first visit was when I was 13, and my parents were skeptical on letting me go because they saw it as a gang banger hangout. Clearly my parents weren't totally right, but it just shows how the general public perceives (or at least used to perceive) the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBJ Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Losing Wiggles World is no great loss. Glad they came to their senses about that concept. I'm not sure if I ever saw an ad for Thomas Town since it was constructed. Tatsu and Terminator, definately. Maybe part of the problem with TT's failure to increase attendence is lack of advertising? A co-worker of mine went to SFMM this summer and was surprised that there was even a children's area to begin with! She wasn't real familiar with the park, and assumed it was entirely targeted at teens. Imo, the issue is Bugs Bunny. It's just not a current kids franchise. Legoland sells itself on the name alone, Disney is obvious, Knotts has Snoopy (arguably also a fading kids franchise) but when someone thinks about entertainment for kids Six Flags will never come to mind. Time to evict Bugs and maybe give Hasbro a buzz. Or some brand that is current with the kids of today. And I certainly do agree there are areas where SFMM can look to Disneyland for inspiration. SF should call up Sally asap and contract out those indoor shooting rides for all their parks that currently don't have one. Look at ways to incorporate story and marketable characters into existing rides. An Ice Age retheme did wonders for a basic log flume in Germany. Place 3D movies in every park, look into Intamin's Soarin knock off ride system as a possibility. And always have corporate sponsors for every new attraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Monte Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I agree that it would be a good idea to scrap Wiggle's World. If they really want to appeal to families, they need to invest in the making the waterpark a worthwhile seperate gate. They also really need to re-work Bugs Bunny world into something more modern and pleasing. This is as outdated a kiddie area as I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebl Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 "IMO, the issue is Bugs Bunny. It's just not a current kids franchise. Legoland sells itself on the name alone, Disney is obvious, Knotts has Snoopy (arguably also a fading kids franchise) but when someone thinks about entertainment for kids Six Flags will never come to mind. Time to evict Bugs and maybe give Hasbro a buzz. Or some brand that is current with the kids of today." (DBJ) Bingo. And I bolded the last sentence because it is truth. I was thinking about this the other day, and some of those same thoughts occurred to me. Looney Tunes are from MY generation (the '50s/'60s) and kids don't relate so much anymore. Same with Peanuts at Knott's. Even Disney evolves---their classic characters remain, but newer ones (look at Toy Story and other Pixar characters) are introduced as time goes on. SFMM will always have its coasters, and new ones will come. I really liked the three-year break between Scream! and Tatsu, and the three-year break between Tatsu and Terminator. That's a good interval between major coasters. The park is getting a small coaster next year, and something unknown in 2011 (not necessarily a coaster), but something big to celebrate Six Flags' 50th and SFMM's 40th anniversaries. And another thing to remember---they need to conserve capital for improvements and replacement of some aging infrastructure (restrooms, for example). Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Does anyone think that the cost to pay licensing fees and rebranding the park is all that practical of an idea right now when the current brand there now isn't horribly outdated? It's easir for Disney to do because save for Nightmare before Christmas and The Twighlight Zone, all new inductions into the parks are Disney owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Does anyone think that the cost to pay licensing fees and rebranding the park is all that practical of an idea right now when the current brand there now isn't horribly outdated? It's easir for Disney to do because save for Nightmare before Christmas and The Twighlight Zone, all new inductions into the parks are Disney owned. Nightmare Before Christmas is Disney owned. You're forgetting bunch of the licenses Disney uses though... American Idol, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, all the MGM movies in the Great Movie Ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 I'm not 'concerned' about the new coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterking2981 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 So long as the new coaster doesnt have fire and audio, and has some brand new effects instead. Like having a machine randomly toss snakes in the cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 So long as the new coaster doesnt have fire and audio, and has some brand new effects instead. Like having a machine randomly toss snakes in the cars QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Flags Enthuseast Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 I think a compact coaster would be good for SFMM. I know they only make them (so far) in the European coaster market, but I think an Intamin Ball coaster would fit in well @ SFMM. Either in the place where Flashback used to be or in the back of the park. And for the new 'major' not-coaster attraction I agree with Electerik. A dark shooting ride would fit in perfectly. Maybe they can put it near TS:TR and make it like shooting Terminators? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mochtroid Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 I think a compact coaster would be good for SFMM. I know they only make them (so far) in the European coaster market, but I think an Intamin Ball coaster would fit in well @ SFMM. Either in the place where Flashback used to be or in the back of the park. And for the new 'major' not-coaster attraction I agree with Electerik. A dark shooting ride would fit in perfectly. Maybe they can put it near TS:TR and make it like shooting Terminators? An Intamin ball model like insane manages around 600 persons an hour, which IMO is not enough for SFMM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalMAN123 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 I was about to ask how much the capacity for an Intamin Ball Coaster was. 600 people per hour is horrid capacity for a mega park like SFMM. They need something compact yes, but also something with decent capacity. ---Brent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Flags Enthuseast Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 ^ and ^^, I suppose those are good points. For a ride with a little more capacity, S&S Sky Swats can do around 800-900 people per hour if it's up to the brim on ridership. I've heard they're not terribly reliable, though, which may be a problem for a more reliable park (except for Deja vu) like SFMM. I think adding a lower capacity ride, even for a mega park like SFMM, isn't too bad because larger attractions will still be more crowded. And if worst comes to worst, it still brings people to SFMM. 1000th Post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acq10uaz Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Catapult at SFNE has terrible down time. It wasn't as bad this year but it usually opens a few hours after the park opens. Plus it is extremely uncomfortable, but it gives an odd feeling. I think the best thing for MM is a new themed spinner from Gerlestaur. Have it nice and compact. And then have it have a separate loading and unloading station to boost the capacity since it is needed at MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFMM fanboy Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Looks like I have something to look for during new years. I agree with SFE and Elercterik. A dark shooting ride right near Termy woud be perfect for SFMM. Reliability wise, I never saw Buzz Lightyear break down at DL. It would add a good deal of audio animitronics at SFMM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooksta77 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 So long as the new coaster doesnt have fire and audio, and has some brand new effects instead. Like having a machine randomly toss snakes in the cars Exactly. I think that fire and audio is getting old. I mean it is awesome on X2 the fire shoots at you and the audio plays actual songs! I think that a THBS is what they need and I have a feeling we could be seeing an Intamin in 2011. Andrew "Mega-Lite in 2011" Iorio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metrock Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Going back to the discussion concerning the kid friendliness of Magic Mountain and the suggestion that Disneyland and Legoland are better places to go - For what it's worth, when I was a kid back in the '80s, we would visit Magic Mountain more often than Disneyland (or even Knotts), even though we live in Orange County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8a Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 So Goliath is finally getting a fresh coat of paint? How far along are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebl Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 "...like having a machine randomly toss snakes in the cars" (coasterking2981) Good idea; and throw some tarantulas in as a bonus. Like Elissa said, I'm not concerned about the new coaster either. We know it won't be yet another record breaking ride, but I'm sure it'll be fun, whatever it is. The park really does need a coaster that's simply "fun" and nothing else. That's why I enjoy Mulholland Madness at DCA. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calicoasters Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 ^Really I don't find anything fun about Mulholland at all! Tony Hawk's Big Spin at SFDK is totally awesome though, and I can't wait for another coaster with a height requirement under 48 inches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Guys, let's be careful talking so much about a THBS clone or similar coaster. Remember they have not annoucned that at all yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpossiblyBrandon Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Does anyone know when the announcement will come? It's November already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Flags Enthuseast Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 ^Some parks announce their new ride(s) 2-3 months before it (they) open(s)! Be patient, is should be out soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Thrill Dragster Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 ^^ Six Flags Magic Mountain will add its 17th roller coaster in 2010, bringing the Valencia amusement park into a tie for the most coasters in the world, officials said. Scheduled to open in early summer 2010, the family coaster will be located in the northwest corner of the park between the looping Déjà Vu coaster and the Johnny Rockets Shakes and Fries food stand. The steel coaster moves Magic Mountain into a statistical tie with Ohio’s Cedar Point for the coveted title of “roller coaster capital of the world,” according to Roller Coaster Database. Magic Mountain expects to unveil the name, theme and logo for the new ride by the end of November. In 2009, Magic Mountain installed the $11-million Terminator wooden coaster (shown above), its first new coaster since 2006. http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/index.php/category/family-kids/magic-mountain/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electerik Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 For what it's worth, when I was a kid back in the '80s, we would visit Magic Mountain more often than Disneyland (or even Knotts), even though we live in Orange County. Sure, but Magic Mountain was awesome in the 80's. /Then again, so was Knott's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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