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P. 288: New B&M Dive Machine Announced!

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Well I went and got my season pass today and got in two quick rides on IR, one in the very back (right) and the second in row two. This was my first Rocky Mountain ride (haven't ridden many coasters in the past decade) so I didn't quite know what to expect. I can see what all the fuss is about, judging by IR they are outstanding coaster engineers and deliver a ride that I can only describe as a kind of controlled insanity. In spite of the very quick pacing it doesn't exert any uncomfortable forces or roughness on you so it's extremely re-rideable. Though I haven't been on many intense Intamins the iRat is up there or even better than any B&M I've ever ridden, my favorite of which was probably Montu '96.

 

You've pretty much seen the reviews and I'll spare you a rehash other than my opinion (which I didn't expect) that I generally preferred the front car to the back seat after the first drop, it seemed to have a bit more oomph through the ride and the drop off the cliff into the tunnel is particularly brilliant in the front. And I do have to mention the barrel roll, WOW, B&M has been dethroned, it is my favorite inversion on any coaster and is excellent in both the front and back. One poster pages back suggested that the barrel roll should have perhaps gone at the drop off the cliff instead of the rise; I could not disagree more and would humbly propose Rocky Mountain knew exactly what they were doing in placing the elements on the ride where they are. That also goes for that wonderful pop into the brake run, that was fun and made for a great ending.

 

Now what I would like to mention is that probably 99% of my rides on the old Rattler were back in '92 and '93 (mostly '92), and I wanted to try to compare the '92 Rattler to the new steel version (and no doubt, this IS a steel coaster, hy-brid shmybrid). To sum it up, the new ride is vastly better than the original and the only time I felt they bore the slightest resemblance to each other was in the pretty forceful fan curve back down into the bottom of the park (you know, the curve that used to sway). Everything else about the ride, including the first drop, has a very different feel.

 

Which brings up the inevitable: how does the first drop on the new ride compare to the original '92 version? The first drop on the original Rattler was, after all, by far the best part of the original ride and widely praised. My first ride on the Rattler was on the opening weekend in 1992, and it was in the very back seat, just like today. And I remember the original drop very well, as if it were just a couple of years ago.

 

The two are very different.

 

The new one yanks you over at a really steep angle and has a wonderful little toss to the side as you start down, which you appreciate more in the back. It wastes no time AT ALL getting down to business - before you know it you're 170' lower than you were a second before. You get a great drop in the back and a nice gliding freefall sensation in the front.

 

The drop on the '92 Rattler, though, was more of a psych job. In the front I think the new ride has the better first drop but in the back the '92 Rattler still remains my favorite first drop of all time. It certainly wasn't because of a huge amount of airtime going down - the new ride has gobs more air in the back seat. Rather it was the way it dropped you, in the back seat as you crested the top of the lift hill you could already see the front cars turning out to the left and beginning the descent. Then it was your turn, you started turning and falling, getting yanked down as the drop got gradually steeper and steeper until the very last moment when you made a very tight forceful pullout (too forceful obviously). It was like you were going to crash and die and it got you every time. I have never seen it replicated on another coaster though I have yet to ride many.

 

The Iron Rattler doesn't have it either - if it did it would probably be another class action waiting to happen - but the drop is still loads of fun, especially in the back. It's probably even better than the slightly modified '93 Rattler. Other than that everything else about the new ride is so vastly better than Rattler '92 they're really beyond comparison (ding dong the helix is dead!) and my favorite of the too-short list of coasters I've ridden. I suppose next I'll have to try out the Texas Giant, which I haven't been on since 1993. The ending used to be great when it was running fast.

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Just rode Iron Rattler Sunday morning.

It's a great ride. Probably in my top 15 or so steel coasters. I think I slightly prefer the New Texas Giant, but they're both excellent. My favorite parts are the airtime coming up into the first hill, the inversion, and the last hill off the cliff. For some reason they were only running one train (is something wrong with the 2nd train?) so the line became insanely long.

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Does the park get crowded on Fridays in June? Even though I go to the park all the time I have never been on a Friday in the summer months. And if so, I have friends coming from Mississippi to visit Texas for the first time and is it worth it for them to get a Flash Pass to enjoy the whole park including the shows due to the park being crowded on a Friday?

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Does the park get crowded on Fridays in June? Even though I go to the park all the time I have never been on a Friday in the summer months. And if so, I have friends coming from Mississippi to visit Texas for the first time and is it worth it for them to get a Flash Pass to enjoy the whole park including the shows due to the park being crowded on a Friday?

 

The crowds were minimal today.

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I was at the park for the Takis hot summer night thing. It was fun, got 13 rides on Goliath and 8 on Boomerang

 

Cant wait to visit the park tomorrow (6/21) with friends that never been to Texas!!

 

I think I saw you, White Mississippi State shirt?

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If you could pick out one thing from the first drop, what would it be?

 

Don't quite understand the question, do you mean what part of the first drop stands out the most or if there was anything about the first drop we could take away/replace? If it's the latter I'd say nothing (though I would be curious to experience it if they didn't slow the chain down at the top). If you meant the former I'd say it's that little twist you get while going down, especially in the back where you're really getting yanked down fast.

 

The first drop happens SO fast - definitely more quickly than I was expecting - you don't have much time to process what just hit you, unlike the barrel roll or drop off the cliff which last longer.

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Yes, I was asking for the former. Thanks for your reply. Does that twist make that much of a difference though? What does it feel like? Does it get you out of your seat or something?

 

Oh at 81 degrees your rear is going out of that seat, twist or not. SFFTfan has it right, the drop happens so fast you don't have much of a chance to process it, it's not the prolonged torture like the '92 Rattler was (what is?) but yeah that twisting through the drop adds a little something in the back where the intensity is highest. It also keeps you from seeing where you're going until it's too late.

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I was at the park for the Takis hot summer night thing. It was fun, got 13 rides on Goliath and 8 on Boomerang

 

Cant wait to visit the park tomorrow (6/21) with friends that never been to Texas!!

 

I think I saw you, White Mississippi State shirt?

 

I was wearing a White Mississippi State shirt!

 

We all had a great time at the park. Not crowded at all as we got in all the rides we wanted several times without getting off!!

 

Here are the pictures I took of the park on 6/21/2013. More photos on Twitter and Instagram <<<<.

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I was wearing a White Mississippi State shirt!

 

We all had a great time at the park. Not crowded at all as we got in all the rides we wanted several times without getting off!!

 

Here are the pictures I took of the park on 6/21/2013. More photos on Twitter and Instagram <<<<.

 

Glad you had a good time!

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I was at the park for the Takis hot summer night thing. It was fun, got 13 rides on Goliath and 8 on Boomerang

 

Cant wait to visit the park tomorrow (6/21) with friends that never been to Texas!!

 

I think I saw you, White Mississippi State shirt?

 

I was wearing a White Mississippi State shirt!

 

We all had a great time at the park. Not crowded at all as we got in all the rides we wanted several times without getting off!!

 

Here are the pictures I took of the park on 6/21/2013. More photos on Twitter and Instagram <<<<.

 

I was the kid who sprayed you on Gully Washer

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I was at the park for the Takis hot summer night thing. It was fun, got 13 rides on Goliath and 8 on Boomerang

 

Cant wait to visit the park tomorrow (6/21) with friends that never been to Texas!!

 

I think I saw you, White Mississippi State shirt?

 

I was wearing a White Mississippi State shirt!

 

We all had a great time at the park. Not crowded at all as we got in all the rides we wanted several times without getting off!!

 

Here are the pictures I took of the park on 6/21/2013. More photos on Twitter and Instagram <<<<.

 

I was the kid who sprayed you on Gully Washer

 

Yes I remember the spray on Gully Washer. Did you do it on purpose or it just happened to be me when you sprayed? I was just surprised someone would spend money to spray water on us.

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Had a great night at the park tonight, it's getting to that time of year when you don't go outside between 1 and 7, but the evening was beautiful and breezy. IR was its usual crazy self, SFFT is too modest about how much air it has, I count 11 places where you come out of your seat on the ride, probably the most unexpected being on the dive off the cliff (the first one, not the crazy Thelma-and-Louise dive into the tunnel). How RMC managed to put a brief subtle moment of air in there where the g forces should be high going around that curve I don't know but they're geniuses. The first drop is also growing on me, I really like that nuanced acrobatic left-right-left combo you get, it has a flying sensation that is just plain fun.

 

Also rekindled my admiration for Superman, I've been on a number of large B&M loopers and it's one of my favorites, I daresay I even think I prefer it to the almighty Kumba (maybe because that intense spin at the end of Kumba leaves me queasy whereas SKC eases up a bit). It has aged well and rides just the way I remember it back in 2000. By 2000 B&M had perfected those wonderful little heartline twist-and-drop moves after the mid-course brake and they're still fun. Overall a great complement to the Iron Rattler.

 

Sure hope the TX/Midwest tour has plenty of time planned for the park in the morning or evening, only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the afternoon sun around here (and maybe waterpark lovers). But I love summer evenings, wish the park could stay open til at least 10.

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I was at the park for the Takis hot summer night thing. It was fun, got 13 rides on Goliath and 8 on Boomerang

 

Cant wait to visit the park tomorrow (6/21) with friends that never been to Texas!!

 

I think I saw you, White Mississippi State shirt?

 

I was wearing a White Mississippi State shirt!

 

We all had a great time at the park. Not crowded at all as we got in all the rides we wanted several times without getting off!!

 

Here are the pictures I took of the park on 6/21/2013. More photos on Twitter and Instagram <<<<.

 

I was the kid who sprayed you on Gully Washer

 

Yes I remember the spray on Gully Washer. Did you do it on purpose or it just happened to be me when you sprayed? I was just surprised someone would spend money to spray water on us.

 

It just happened to be me, I only did it because I had a loose quarter in my pocket.

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I first rode Superman KC back in 2000 as well. But I haven't been back to SFFT since, sad to say. Looking forward to getting back down there again week after next. I remember SKC as one of the best B&M's I've ever ridden. Only Batman: Night Flight at the now defunct Geauga Lake could match it, imho. Can't wait to ride iRat!

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I was out at the park this morning for a couple of hours. Got rides in on Iron Rattler, Superman, Scream, and Poltergeist before I didn't feel like dealing with the heat anymore. Anyway, I felt like weighing in on the Superman discussion. I've been riding it every year since it opened, and I feel like it's definitely developed a bit of a nasty rattle in the past few years. From what I understand, the "B&M Rattle" is pretty common. I've only been on a handful of B&M coasters (4 Batman clones, S:KC and Goliath at La Ronde), so I don't really have much to compare the smoothness of S:KC to a similar coaster. If you have been on say, Bizarro at SFGA, how does S:KC's rattle compare?

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I was out at the park this morning for a couple of hours. Got rides in on Iron Rattler, Superman, Scream, and Poltergeist before I didn't feel like dealing with the heat anymore. Anyway, I felt like weighing in on the Superman discussion. I've been riding it every year since it opened, and I feel like it's definitely developed a bit of a nasty rattle in the past few years. From what I understand, the "B&M Rattle" is pretty common. I've only been on a handful of B&M coasters (4 Batman clones, S:KC and Goliath at La Ronde), so I don't really have much to compare the smoothness of S:KC to a similar coaster. If you have been on say, Bizarro at SFGA, how does S:KC's rattle compare?

 

I've been on Scream! at SFMM along with Superman and can tell you that Scream's rattle is 10 times worse. Superman's isn't that bad.

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