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P. 114: Brand-new entrance fountain unveiled!

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9 minutes ago, KarlaKoaster said:

I have mixed feelings about the prevalence of IPs at the parks now. The nostalgic side of me is a bit sad how the lines of distinction between each of the parks has been blurred and how we used to have e-tickets that became franchises and not the other way round. But the realistic side of me says money talks, get over it. 

Re: Epcot, I did love the idea that Imagineers couldn't include Disney characters hence we ended up with hidden Mickeys and Figment, but I always felt that the park was a good idea poorly executed and that places like Futurascope do the whole edu-tainment thing better. I don't know why, but everything there (buildings, attractions etc) seems to be so timeless and exciting, whereas at Epcot, they seem to be having this constant fight for relevance. 

I also think that in some respects, Futuroscope out-EPCOTs EPCOT. The Futuropolis area especially... So many little interactive things to do for children and families. It's a form of education without even realizing it, because you're having too much fun!

That sort of stuff wouldn't fly in a Disney park anymore because every attraction has to be an event. There's very little room at Disney and Universal parks for spontaneous experiences anymore. Everything has to be very tightly controlled so that guests can understand the stories they're told. And then there's also the expectation that Disney and Universal (and others) have to continually outdo themselves.

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EPCOT is about one thing: making money for Disney. Does Guardians make money? *Glances at box office returns* Why, yes. Yes it does. Case closed.

Just because you don’t think it is good, it doesn’t mean the rest of the visiting majority agrees with your opinion. But I guess that’s the beauty of numbers... Everyone is entitled to their own opini

I think “terrible” is a matter of perspective. Also understand that the person you’re debating this with has a long-proven admiration of Epcot in its classic form... Just look up Epcot’s 25th annivers

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4 hours ago, coasterbill said:

I wouldn't go there without an AP until park-hopping comes back. I really wouldn't.

I really like Test Track and Frozen Ever After a lot. Mission Space is fun. Soarin' is fun. Spaceship Earth is fun. I wouldn't wait more than 15 minutes for any other ride at Epcot. I feel the same way about them as I do about Fantasyland dark rides. They're fun if they have short lines but they're not the same level of quality as you would expect from modern-day Disney (I have a bit of a soft-spot for Living with the Land though and I don't really know why).

maybe you can explain to me why the living with the land boat ride always has insane lines?

I mean, I enjoy it - I like going thru the greenhouses - but it's really not much.    Why is that line always so long??

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I've never noticed. We usually just get an immediate fastpass for it with like 1-2 refreshes and totally minimal effort. Pre-Covid we never really did stand-by for anything at Disney. It's just such an easy ride to Fastpass.

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have you noticed the standby is always long tho?

maybe it's those that are waiting for folks in line for Soarin, and it's the only other "ride" there?

it's just strange - as much as I like the Mickey shaped Gourds, I dont' see the massive appeal the ride has (and keep in mind, I like it a lot too, it's relaxing). . LOL

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I feel like the line for Living with the Land is really hit or miss, sometimes it's a complete walk on and other times it's got a full que, but even with the full que I feel like it's usually less than 30 minutes despite what the wait time indicator says. 

I mostly agree with Bill's take on Epcot even though it's one of my favorite parks in the world. We love taking the kids there because there are so many rides for them that usually have next to no wait, I've been on a Saturday in July with my 7 year old and ridden everything in the park before like 2 pm, and they have a ton of princess meet n greet opportunities throughout the showcase again with next to no wait. The food is great and the festivals are really fun but a version of Disney Springs with a $130 cover charge is a hilarious analogy but also kind of accurate lol.  That said the park desperately needs some new attractions and Ratatouille and Guardians should be really nice additions.

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On 11/17/2020 at 2:48 PM, jarmor said:

It seems GotG is getting a lot of flack on social media (particularly twitter).  I admit, I haven't been following this project but is the only thing semi-groundbreaking is the controlled spinning?  Did this thing really cost 500 million (as it has been said on social media)?

I feel like you're painting this as a controlled-spinning coaster in the dark.  You're forgetting all of the added elements for the story such as video, special effects, lighting, etc.  I highly doubt this is going to be a Rock N' Rollercoaster situation with horrible blacklight cardboard cutouts.  This is shaping up to be a fully-immersive experience in line with Space Fantasy at USJ but with a much larger budget.  Anyone who's been on Space Fantasy can attest that it's super fun and ridiculous and extremely re-rideable.

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On 11/16/2020 at 12:21 PM, KBrylczyk said:

Wow!  Is that the first shot we've seen of the interior and track for Guardians?  Looks pretty darn twisty!  There's definitely going to be some weird forces to be felt on this.  Drifting, rotating backwards while going through turns, etc, all while sensory overload is happening around you with added effects.  I can't wait to ride it.

The Star Wars hotel is looking better with each new release, as well.  I'm curious if they have some way to control the hotel group from leaving Galaxy's Edge, though.  The website mentions visiting the Black Spire Outpost "and more," but does that mean we're free to explored the rest of Hollywood Studios or are we somehow restricted to only be in Galaxy's Edge during the 2-day experience?  It'll be interesting to see how they navigate that aspect.  Either way I'm totally booking it once it and Guardians are open.

 I remember reading somewhere that there would be a themed transport to take you from the hotel into the parks (presumably something like the Hogwarts Express windows on a themed bus), so I also assume they will just make up some story to transport you back from the real world to the hotel.

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Disney has unveiled the brand-new entrance fountain at EPCOT!

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https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2020/12/first-look-new-entrance-fountain-celebrates-the-past-present-and-future-of-epcot/

The past, present and future of EPCOT are all coming together today in one special moment at the front of the park. Anyone visiting as of this morning will see in real life what we at Walt Disney Imagineering have been dreaming up in our heads for many years now.

Overnight, our crews removed all the “progress walls” from the main entrance plaza, giving you the first full look at this next major milestone in the park’s historic transformation. While there is still more work to be done here in the future, the area is much more open and welcoming now. It features new planters, pathways, lush landscaping and a vibrant new color palette that will eventually tie into the four new neighborhoods we’re creating inside the park – World Celebration, World Discovery, World Nature and World Showcase.

And there in front of iconic Spaceship Earth you’ll now see a reimagined fountain, standing in the footprint of the original that welcomed guests on the park’s opening day in 1982. Our design team took special interest in this water feature, as we looked back to the geometry of the original for inspiration while creating some new magic of our own. In the fountain’s center is a brilliant light, a unique liquid-cooled fixture we’ve designed with new capabilities that complement the fountain’s changing colors and will coordinate with new lighting coming to Spaceship Earth and the upcoming World Celebration beyond.

 

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hmmm.

 

I totally get why they want it "understated" at night (illuminated, but not brightly lit), as they don't want it to "distract" from Spaceship Earth.
But honestly, the central lighting isn't really doing it for me, and actually I find is a little distracting.

I think it would look a TON better if the only lighting was inside/around the base, matching SE's colors, and the main fountain remained clear and unlit from inside (maybe a spot shined on it instead of interior lit? if at all?  I really do think it would look fantastic with only the base lighting in the water).

- HOWEVER - that's just my art-director/nitpicky coming out-- as this fountain looks amazing during the daylight/unlit hours.

Really nice design, that fits the area perfectly.

can't wait to see this in  person (at some point in the future).

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I absolutely love the classic EPCOT aesthetic that this fountain brings to the entry plaza, but I genuinely appreciate the efforts taken to modernize the fountain with new lighting elements. It might not seem like a major addition compared to a new ride or show, but there's something very exciting about all of the new, little things that will be coming to the park over the coming years.

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^I feel like there’s a plausible argument to be made for it to exist in any of the Walt Disney World parks except for Animal Kingdom. I’d imagine it made sense to put it in Magic Kingdom since Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind was slated for Epcot and the park didn’t need two huge launched coasters. I honestly think it will work as a really marketable addition to Magic Kingdom for the park (and the resort’s) 50th anniversary.

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I like this much better than the "Leave a Legacy" monoliths, which looked like a field of jagged, broken teeth. The fountain fits Epcot's aesthetic perfectly and makes the entrance less cluttered.

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I saw it yesterday during the daytime and night. It is beautiful and gives me hope for the future of Epcot.  If they continue to "plus" the park with nods to the past, the park will be great all around.  Next stop: Journey Into Imagination!  I can dream, can't I?

 

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4 hours ago, KBrylczyk said:

Guardians and Horizons don't have anything to do with each other, though.  Do you mean tear down Mission Space?

No, because Guardians of the Galaxy has nothing to do with EPCOT!!! 😡

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^Thematically, the story of the pavilion will be that Xander is bringing the first “Other-World Showcase” pavilion to Epcot... So at least there’s some connective concepts there.

As someone whose favorite park (outside of Tokyo DisneySea) has always been Epcot, I’m fond of past experiences like Horizons but I have no problem with new experiences being brought to the park. Plus, I have a lot of faith that this will be a really fun ride, given how surprisingly fantastic Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout turned out to be—now the most fun Tower-style ride in existence from a ride experience standpoint.

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10 hours ago, jedimaster1227 said:

^Thematically, the story of the pavilion will be that Xander is bringing the first “Other-World Showcase” pavilion to Epcot... So at least there’s some connective concepts there.

As someone whose favorite park (outside of Tokyo DisneySea) has always been Epcot, I’m fond of past experiences like Horizons but I have no problem with new experiences being brought to the park. Plus, I have a lot of faith that this will be a really fun ride, given how surprisingly fantastic Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout turned out to be—now the most fun Tower-style ride in existence from a ride experience standpoint.

Does it make you think? No. Who cares if it’s fun. If it’s in EPCOT, it has to inspire you and make you think. It’s based on superhero “movies”,  so how will the ride make you think and inspire you?

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