Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

[bkwjjm]

Cedar Point is completely innocent of any wrongdoing. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

 

That being said, I feel nothing but compassion and sadness for the victim and his family. It was his own fault, but he certainly didn't deserve to lose his life just because he made a terrible error in judgment. Some people here seem to lack compassion....almost like they are more angry at him for making a stupid decision instead of being sympathetic for the fact that he got killed.

[Top Thrill Dragster]

This showed up on my twitter feed.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/jim.young.77377/about?section=overview&pnref=about

 

 

 

Apparently this is the person that killed.

[coasterkid124]

Jon Stewart, why couldn't you stay just a little bit longer? I have a feeling that this will bring up some horrible reporting from news stations.

[DoinItForTheFame]

I'm sorry, it's still just absolutely blowing my mind that some people on this forum were suggesting the park was partially to blame due to a lack of signage. I went through the POV of Raptor just to see how fencing is around the ride and it's ALL OVER THE PLACE! In fact, in some places it looks to be double fenced! And while you can't read the signs from the video grabs, I'm sure they say something like RESTRICTED AREA!

 

Here's the reality of the situation - they don't need more signs. In fact, they shouldn't even need to have ANY signs. When you have tall fence with locked gates surrounding an obviously very dangerous ride, that's all you SHOULD need. But the world is stupid so there are at least signs on the fences.

 

The concept that someone would think we would need MORE SIGNS to prevent something like this in the future is just mind boggling. In short, you can't fix stupid no matter how many signs you put up. I'm just really disappointed in some of our members. I would really have hoped we all would have been better than that.

 

Perfectly said. More signs are not going to change anything. There shouldn't even need to be signs to begin with. This entire accident has me wanting to strangle half of the people out there.

 

I saw someone on social media say "Someone was hit by the Raptor roller coaster at Cedar Point. ""Ohhh. That's terr..." they were in a restricted area." Ohh.""

Basically how I have seen most responses to this.

[robbalvey]

That said, I can't imagine this was just a case of a lost phone, ignoring signs, and somehow not knowing the train was coming. This man was in his 40s. I just can't wrap my mind around it, how could this not be intentional. I feel horrible for his family and anyone else who had to witness this.

Do not underestimate humanity and the lack of intelligence. You should just see some of the emails, messages, and comments we get on our socials EVERY SINGLE DAY that just seriously make me weep for humanity and realize how doomed we really are.

[BlahBlahson]

THIS is why i'm extremely happy when parks like Universal and Morey's piers eliminate cell phones from the picture with Free l ockers and metal Detectors. And the same with Selfie Sticks at Disney and Six Flags. I hope more parks will follow.

 

Loose articles have absolutely no place on fast-moving rides and we have the tech to prevent these accidents.

Edited August 14, 2015 by BlahBlahson

[thrillrider]

Even with all that stuff, people will find a way.

[ajfelice]

THIS is why i'm extremely happy when parks like Universal and Morey's piers eliminate cell phones from the picture with Free fluffy, fluffy bunnies filled with medicine and goo and metal Detectors. And the same with Selfie Sticks at Disney and Six Flags. I hope more parks will follow.

 

Loose articles have absolutely no place on fast-moving rides and we have the tech to prevent these accidents.

 

I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree. I'm pretty sure Universal's controversial decision to actively search for potential loose articles on riders' beings was not to prevent guests from entering restricted areas. The birdie in my ear said it had to do more with sharp/hard articles falling onto guests in the midways below.

 

It's such a shame that this incident is so tragic to so many people, but completely avoidable.

[Password121]

As horrible as this situation is for everyone involved, my heart goes out to this guy's family. Seeing those tweets and his Facebook page makes it seem so real, and frankly it could have been someone in your own family.

 

I lost a brand new iPhone on Nitro at GrAdv to finish out a fantastic day doing what I love. Of course I was disappointed in losing the phone (more so in SF customer service for lying to us multiple times about policies), but material possessions can be replaced; lives, unfortunately, cannot. Nobody is at fault besides some poor judgment it seems, and we can only hope this serves as a wake up to call to anyone that has thoughts about risking it all just for a piece of dispensible technology.

[Intimidator305]

THIS is why i'm extremely happy when parks like Universal and Morey's piers eliminate cell phones from the picture with Free fluffy, fluffy bunnies filled with medicine and goo and metal Detectors. And the same with Selfie Sticks at Disney and Six Flags. I hope more parks will follow.

 

Loose articles have absolutely no place on fast-moving rides and we have the tech to prevent these accidents.

 

I really believe the whole Universal metal detector situation is idiotic and I know people are going to disagree with me. It ruins the park's atmosphere with an airport-like entrance to their coasters and just causes even more irritating people in line... At least when people have theirs phones, iPods, ect. in line it keeps them occupied and not as irritating. There are things called pockets, fanny packs, ect. and if someone is stupid enough to lose their phone on a ride, it is their own fault in my opinion. Thousands of phones are lost on attractions each and every day around the world and you very rarely hear of someone getting struck by a phone on a ride or stupid enough to break into a restricted zone to get their phone back.

 

Let's not change everything in the industry that sees millions and millions of people per season just because of one individual.

[robbalvey]

THIS is why i'm extremely happy when parks like Universal and Morey's piers eliminate cell phones from the picture with Free fluffy, fluffy bunnies filled with medicine and goo and metal Detectors.

I haven't ridden a single coaster at Universal that have the metal detectors since they put them in. I'm all for measures to keep idiots from losing their crap, but that's going too far and I think it's awful of Universal. I don't plan on ever riding those coasters again until they are removed.

[coasterkid124]

Am I correct in saying that SFoT still has the pouches on NTAG? If so, have they been preventing loose articles from getting lost?

 

If more coasters had these it could be a very cheap, possibly miracle working solution. Pencil pouches can be found anywhere for like a dollar, and a bag of zip ties is not expensive either.

[RissaBooBissa]

Am I correct in saying that SFoT still has the pouches on NTAG? If so, have they been preventing loose articles from getting lost?

 

If more coasters had these it could be a very cheap, possibly miracle working solution. Pencil pouches can be found anywhere for like a dollar, and a bag of zip ties is not expensive either.

They're there but people still carry their phones in their pockets. I think you're giving people too much credit here.

[BeansproutMidget]

Man, I couldn't believe the news at first. But, my prayers still go with the family.

 

I was in the park when the earlier incident with the guy getting stuck in the closing Raptor gate occured. Course, I wasn't in the area: I was over by Magnum. But, I heard sirens, and didn't figure out what happened till later. My friend's family was supposed to go today: luckily, they pushed their trip back to next year.

 

Hearing this, My heart sank. Not only because such an accident happened, but it happened over a iPhone. If people are so attached to these things, why bring them on a ride like Raptor that you could possibly lose it?

 

And then I realized that the announcement was right around the corner. If I could come, I would. But, I have other plans.

 

I hope everything turns out alright...

[StarWars]

Nobody has pointed this out, but The Cedar Point logo thing from the leaked Valravn logo matches the one on the box that was sent to Robb.

 

 

 

Edit: I should say that I believed the leak was real when it came out, but this is for those who were hoping it wasn't real. I guess you could look at it two ways. 1.) Everything that was leaked was real. 2.) The park is messing with us, which is high doubtful IMO. Don't get me wrong, I do realize that Tony and his crew at CP do like to mess with the enthusiasts from time to time, but I don't think the park would go through all the trouble to build all that stuff into a app just to mess with us.

 

Two things of note. The font in the second image should be familiar to some PlayStation fans. It's the God of War font. And the other thing, which I find somewhat funny, is this new ride's use of a Raven. Anyone who is a football fan, knows the hatred people from that general area of Ohio harbor for the Baltimore Ravens (they were formerly the Cleveland Browns) (full disclosure, I am a huge Ravens fan). Can't wait to see what the rind ends up being.

 

As for that tragic news involving Raptor, its a shame people just ignore warning signage. As horrible as this is for the man's family, if they sue the park, I will want them to lose in court.

Edited August 14, 2015 by StarWars

[LiftThrill]

This is why I always wear jeans to parks unless it's 100+ degrees. The pockets are tight enough that I doubt my phone would fall out. I don't even bring my phone to waterparks. (Oh, and I don't jump fences to get stuff that falls either)

^^^^ And yeah, NTaG and Titan both have the pouches. Although They could probably allow loose articles on Titan because there's no zero/negative G on the ride at all, lol

 

I feel sorry for the guy, but he should have thought it through :/

[garbanian]

Not trying to be that guy here. It really is unfortunate for the family to have lost their loved one.

I just want to know if they'll be opened tomorrow, sans raptor at the worst. Had a group that was going to go and we're all coming from not the closest parts.

Want to cancel now rather than when we wake up at like 5AM to get ready.

[coasterkid124]

Am I correct in saying that SFoT still has the pouches on NTAG? If so, have they been preventing loose articles from getting lost?

 

If more coasters had these it could be a very cheap, possibly miracle working solution. Pencil pouches can be found anywhere for like a dollar, and a bag of zip ties is not expensive either.

They're there but people still carry their phones in their pockets. I think you're giving people too much credit here.

 

I thought so. Right after I posted I realized wait, if people cannot read signs with big block lettering, how can we expect them to know what the pouches are for. Maybe they'll think its a garbage bag or a puke bag or something outrageous.

[bluestreak]

Not trying to be that guy here. It really is unfortunate for the family to have lost their loved one.

I just want to know if they'll be opened tomorrow, sans raptor at the worst. Had a group that was going to go and we're all coming from not the closest parts.

Want to cancel now rather than when we wake up at like 5AM to get ready.

The park continued to operate like normal tonight (other than raptor of course) so I would assume that they'll be open tomorrow.

[BlahBlahson]

And I'm fine with people having different opinions on the metal detector subject.

 

I feel like the main issue people have with it is that the park is blatantly and openly saying "We don't trust our guests" and violating their personal freedoms. I think that is an absolutely valid concern and I don't want to take over this topic talking about it.

 

But on the other hand, I REALLY don't trust the public to responsibly deal with their articles. If you do, then listen to all the people just in this thread (of knowledgable people) who admit to loosing their phone at high speed, or carrying it on with them in loose pockets. If that cell phone never gets on this ride, this .0001 percent of Cedar Point's annual guests doesn't then make this unfortunate decision (though in another of many scenarios maybe he drops his phone while in line into the restricted area, you CANNOT blame the park for any of this or any other scenario). And at the cost of even one life it's something I don't think Metal-detecting parks should be vilified for. It's considerable.

 

Cell phones on coasters just really suck for all parties and I just think that Metal Detectors and mandatory policies are an option that I'm happy to see explored.

Edited August 14, 2015 by BlahBlahson

[RissaBooBissa]

Was there any mention of possible injured guests on the train? I mean... people's legs were dangling...

[LiftThrill]

SFFT puts bins full of all the cracked and destroyed smartphones (and the perfectly-fine flip phones) in the queue of all the coasters and tbh I think that's pretty effective. Nobody I've ever gone with (including people with a Boomerang as their #1) since they added those bins has taken their phone on the ride.

[Coasterguy21]

Was there any mention of possible injured guests on the train? I mean... people's legs were dangling...

 

No other injuries were reported according to news sites.

 

SFFT puts bins full of all the cracked and destroyed smartphones (and the perfectly-fine flip phones) in the queue of all the coasters and tbh I think that's pretty effective. Nobody I've ever gone with (including people with a Boomerang as their #1) since they added those bins has taken their phone on the ride.

 

Many Six Flags parks do this, I know all the big coasters at SFGAm have those display bins.

[bluestreak]

Was there any mention of possible injured guests on the train? I mean... people's legs were dangling...

 

No other injuries were reported according to news sites.

 

SFFT puts bins full of all the cracked and destroyed smartphones (and the perfectly-fine flip phones) in the queue of all the coasters and tbh I think that's pretty effective. Nobody I've ever gone with (including people with a Boomerang as their #1) since they added those bins has taken their phone on the ride.

 

Many Six Flags parks do this, I know all the big coasters at SFGAm have those display bins.

I know Diamondback at KI has this as well.

[SteveStL]

Was there any mention of possible injured guests on the train? I mean... people's legs were dangling...

 

No other injuries were reported according to news sites.

 

 

Glad to hear that... I was thinking he was hit by the Legs of the Passengers? if Not, what caused the trauma ... what hit him?