ACES Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 (edited) I think they need to re model the front entrance and move it down at the end of steel venom and use that part of the parking lot before they even put a new coaster and make room for expansion front of the park and move the main parking lot in front of steel venom towards the Valleyfair housing because they hardly ever use that field make a new parking lot there and add new toll booth entrances like they did with carowinds. Make the parking lot gravel not cement. I would also like to see them add a wind seeker or a sling shot under neith the wild thing turn around perfect spot for a thrill ride and demolish the theatre when was the last time there were people in there? They got rid of the imax theatre they can do the same there. Then put a Max air 150 foot thrill ride could fit there I would love to see one. Can they do 301 height limit for a wind seeker in the back of the park or is 275 feet our height limit? Is our height limit only in the center of the park or can they go higher in height in the back of the park or maybe front? Edited April 5, 2015 by ACES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdcastle Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 For a Windseeker I'd rather it be in the back half of the park, to give people some reason to go all the way back other than a small 25 year old coaster and a water ride with half the waterfalls broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCI Wooden Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I think they need to re model the front entrance and move it down at the end of steel venom and use that part of the parking lot before they even put a new coaster  They would lose a lot of parking spaces if they did that, it's a fairly large area.  Make the parking lot gravel not cement.  I don't see how this could benefit anything, please explain.  Can they do 301 height limit for a wind seeker in the back of the park or is 275 feet our height limit? Is our height limit only in the center of the park or can they go higher in height in the back of the park or maybe front?  I've heard that the height restriction doesn't encompass the entire park, but if that's not true, Mondial can make a shorter Windseeker. It doesn't have to be 301 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Curt Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I certainly hope VF doesn't get a Windseeker, one of the worst "rides" I have been on. Spending that kind of cash for a boring maintanence nightmare is not something this park needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF15 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I wouldn't mind getting a Windseeker because it would provide some nice views, but like others have said, Cedar Fair is probably done with them because they don't want to invest a ride that will have large amounts of downtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariznglori Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Eh, let's see how Adventureland does with their new one before ushering windseekers into the grave. Hopefully all the kinks have been worked out by Mondial. I definitely don't want to have to go to Mount Olympus for their sky screamer...I'll take a "faulty" windseeker at a Cedar Fair park over a "reliable" sky screamer at Mount Olympus any day. Â I think that Valleyfair should try to get one before Six Flags Great America can get theirs. Either that or a full circuit launch coaster. There's nothing Valleyfair really has over SFGA, but that can change. Not that the parks even engage in that kind of competition, but for people who live halfway (me) Valleyfair does need to offer either more unique or just simply better ride experiences to be worth the drive. Right now its biggest strength is being the less crowded of the two parks. And its charm of course. I love rooting for it lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dippindotsguy8 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Valleyfair does need to offer either more unique or just simply better ride experiences to be worth the drive. Â This is exactly why VF does not need to be spending money on a Windseeker. Â There are far more unique and visually intimidating rides that could be built. I'd love to see a custom S&S freespin before those start to show up everywhere, or a dive machine, or some kind of less common flat. Heck, for the cost of a windseeker, you can get a really nice proslide water coaster. I'd much rather see the park go all out creating something like that than drop in a slightly shorter version of an underwhelming, buggy (maybe they've fixed the issues, maybe not) ride that's located at half the CF parks, at both Adventureland and WOF just a few hours south, and something similar-looking at Mt. Olympus, Six Flags parks and traveling carnivals across the country. Â I'm not saying it can't happen, but if we're trying to come up with something "unique or better" than the competition, a windseeker is not the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACES Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 (Make the parking lot gravel not cement) Wouldn't it be cheaper to use gravel instead of cement? I really enjoyed Max Air at Cedar Point last summer would love to see a giant one at Valleyfair for a new thrill ride 150 feet tall maybe that over a wind seeker for next 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dippindotsguy8 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 (Make the parking lot gravel not cement) Wouldn't it be cheaper to use gravel instead of cement? I really enjoyed Max Air at Cedar Point last summer would love to see a giant one at Valleyfair for a new thrill ride 150 feet tall maybe that over a wind seeker for next 2016? Â Well there's a lot of things that could be cheaper if they decided to make the park look like a dump. But that's not really how CF rolls these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lareson Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 (Make the parking lot gravel not cement) Wouldn't it be cheaper to use gravel instead of cement? Â The parking lot is asphalt, not cement... Â About the WindSeekers, majority of the problems that the 1st generation had are now gone. Mondial has worked with the chain on fixing quite a few of the major issues. I'd like to point out, not a single one of them has had to use the evac baskets since the parks received them. The one installed at Adventureland is essentially a 2nd generation and as far as I'm aware, has not produced a major issue. If Adventureland still doubted Mondial on whether or not another 4 hour stall at the top of the tower was going to happen again, they wouldn't of spent the money installing one. Â If other parks in the chain installed one such as Vallyefair or Michigan's Adventure, I'd be alright with that. Sure some of you seem to think they're worthless rides, but they've worked out well at their parks and at least the 64-seat models are huge capacity eaters, which most flat rides can barely handle 1/2 of that number. I certainly enjoy them not only for the relaxing ride, but for the views as well. And some people do find it terrifying to be nearly 300ft up high in the air with your feet dangling and only a lap bar holding you in. And not to mention the lighting packages that have been installed on them, one of the best flat rides I've been on at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytterbiumanalyst Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 (Make the parking lot gravel not cement) Wouldn't it be cheaper to use gravel instead of cement? I really enjoyed Max Air at Cedar Point last summer would love to see a giant one at Valleyfair for a new thrill ride 150 feet tall maybe that over a wind seeker for next 2016? Gravel lots also don't hold as many vehicles as paved lots, due to not being able to have lines delineating parking spaces. Having an asphalt or cement lot looks more professional and holds more vehicles, so it's definitely worth the extra expense. Gravel parking lots aren't cheap, either, due to land clearance and grading, so it's not really that much more to pave it. Better to pay a little extra and do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF15 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 There's nothing Valleyfair really has over SFGA, but that can change. Not that the parks even engage in that kind of competition, but for people who live halfway (me) Valleyfair does need to offer either more unique or just simply better ride experiences to be worth the drive. Right now its biggest strength is being the less crowded of the two parks. And its charm of course. I love rooting for it lol. Well, I think Corkscrew is better than Demon because CS is a much smoother ride, and I like Renegade better than Viper and American Eagle, but besides those, Six Flags Great America is definitely the superior park in terms of rides. VF could use some better and/or more unique ride experiences to impress everyone. From my experience, it seems like a lot of the Minnesota general public don't think Valleyfair is a worthwhile destination (and I can see why), but if they continue to make good additions/improvements, that might change some people's minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariznglori Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I'm not saying it can't happen, but if we're trying to come up with something "unique or better" than the competition, a windseeker is not the way to go. Â In this part of the country, it would be unique. The parks Valleyfair would reasonably vie with don't have it. The ride being successful at other major parks in farflung and diverse regions (minus the first gen hiccups) really only reinforces how good one would do here. Not to mention its small footprint works for our land limitations...I'm not seeing a problem. I agree with your list of other rides that the park would do well with, I'd love to see them all here, but none make quite the same addition to the skyline as a windseeker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariznglori Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Well, I think Corkscrew is better than Demon because CS is a much smoother ride, and I like Renegade better than Viper and American Eagle, but besides those, Six Flags Great America is definitely the superior park in terms of rides. VF could use some better and/or more unique ride experiences to impress everyone. From my experience, it seems like a lot of the Minnesota general public don't think Valleyfair is a worthwhile destination (and I can see why), but if they continue to make good additions/improvements, that might change some people's minds. Â I enjoy Demon a lot, but likewise I like Corkscrew more. But if Demon got some love and was smoother, there would be no competition. Viper and American Eagle are not even trying to be what Renegade is. One is a Cyclone clone (a very good one) and the other a racer (which we don't even have). Renegade is definitely Valleyfair's best coaster, hands down. High Roller loses to Eagle and Viper, though. And nothing Valleyfair has begins to compete with Superman, Batman, Goliath, Whizzer, Bull, etc. Except Mad Mouse. It kills Dark Knight for enjoyability. Oh, and Steel Venom is so much scarier than V2. It's not hard, like you said, to see why Minnesotans go 'meh' for Valleyfair. But we're very close to being an incredibly fun local park. The new slides are definitely a promising sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdcastle Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Everyone has their opinion. Windseeker was better than 90% of the coasters I've been on. That and Nitro are the only two rides that have scared me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dippindotsguy8 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I'm not saying it can't happen, but if we're trying to come up with something "unique or better" than the competition, a windseeker is not the way to go. Â In this part of the country, it would be unique. Â Exactly how big is "this part of the country" to you? Â Two less than 8hrs south of Valleyfair, and there will soon be one in Wisconsin Dells, and likely one at SFGAm in the future (yes, I'm counting Starflyers and other similar ripoffs) Â When talking about the footprint, it's not about whether they could do something. It's about whether they should. We have plenty of space for things considering how the park has removed or relocated a ride almost every year since 2008. There's Chaos's spot, Skyscraper's spot, Scrambler's original spot, Tilt-a-whirl's old spot, the old Corkscrew tot-spot, and an amphitheater that sits unused covering a large amount of space. Also, for 5-6 million, I think they could build something far better and more unique. Â *edit* - I just realized for roughly the same price tag, you could get Falcon's Fury... Â Everyone has their opinion. Windseeker was better than 90% of the coasters I've been on. Â Of course, and I understand that. Your opinion is totally valid. That said, a park should consider what the majority opinion is, and I think it's fair to say that most of the general public (not even considering the enthusiast community) would never say something like "It's better than most coasters". The most common thing I hear from people who have seen them is "Oh, yeah, it's alright." Why would a park settle for that when they could do something so much more interesting and compelling? Obviously parks need some average rides. Cedar Point, for example, was already doing just fine in the thrill/intensity category. Valleyfair, on the other hand, has left thrill seekers out in the cold since 2007, as many in this thread say on a daily basis. Given what most are saying the park lacks, a windseeker is not the way to reel in thrill seekers from out of state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariznglori Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I'm not saying it can't happen, but if we're trying to come up with something "unique or better" than the competition, a windseeker is not the way to go. Â In this part of the country, it would be unique. Â Exactly how big is "this part of the country" to you? Â Two less than 8hrs south of Valleyfair, and there will soon be one in Wisconsin Dells, and likely one at SFGAm in the future (yes, I'm counting Starflyers and other similar ripoffs) Â When talking about the footprint, it's not about whether they could do something. It's about whether they should. We have plenty of space for things considering how the park has removed or relocated a ride almost every year since 2008. There's Chaos's spot, Skyscraper's spot, Scrambler's original spot, Tilt-a-whirl's old spot, the old Corkscrew tot-spot, and an amphitheater that sits unused covering a large amount of space. Also, for 5-6 million, I think they could build something far better and more unique. Â *edit* - I just realized for roughly the same price tag, you could get Falcon's Fury... Â Everyone has their opinion. Windseeker was better than 90% of the coasters I've been on. Â Of course, and I understand that. Your opinion is totally valid. That said, a park should consider what the majority opinion is, and I think it's fair to say that most of the general public (not even considering the enthusiast community) would never say something like "It's better than most coasters". The most common thing I hear from people who have seen them is "Oh, yeah, it's alright." Why would a park settle for that when they could do something so much more interesting and compelling? Obviously parks need some average rides. Cedar Point, for example, was already doing just fine in the thrill/intensity category. Valleyfair, on the other hand, has left thrill seekers out in the cold since 2007, as many in this thread say on a daily basis. Given what most are saying the park lacks, a windseeker is not the way to reel in thrill seekers from out of state. Â I would say within a reasonable day trip was what I was thinking, so about 4 hours one way max. Which puts the only one in reach at...nowhere. I don't count a star flyer at a tourist trap park that is horrible at maintenance as competition, but if you want to, go ahead. Nor will I count an "imminent" star flyer at SFGA as they seem more likely to get a dark ride at this point. Though if they got a star flyer it would not make a windseeker here worthless. And if these kinds of rides do become park staples, as they seem to have, would you want Valleyfair left out? It would just fall further behind expectations. It doesn't have to be the scariest ride out there to do well here and bring in the GP and their dollars. And I would LOVE a Falcons Fury, they could do that as well and become a tower-saturated park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dippindotsguy8 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Though if they got a star flyer it would not make a windseeker here worthless. And if these kinds of rides do become park staples, as they seem to have, would you want Valleyfair left out? It would just fall further behind expectations. It doesn't have to be the scariest ride out there to do well here and bring in the GP and their dollars. And I would LOVE a Falcons Fury, they could do that as well and become a tower-saturated park. Â Common does not equal staple. Â Carousels are a staple. Flumes are a staple (hi, Valleyfair) Â Â I also never said worthless. I just said the worth it brings doesn't justify the price, given what it could be spent on. Â But you really, really, really want a windseeker, so I'm done trying to convince you that it's not the best option. Â I don't count a star flyer at a tourist trap park that is horrible at maintenance as competition, but if you want to, go ahead. Â Regardless of what we think about the place, it is competition. It's somewhere else that people can (and do) spend their entertainment/vacation money, and is far closer to Valleyfair than SFGA is. Â Nor will I count an "imminent" star flyer at SFGA as they seem more likely to get a dark ride at this point. Â I think that Valleyfair should try to get one before Six Flags Great America can get theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidelity Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I agree about the flat ride discussion, as far as disabusing people of the notion of the impact of a flat ride boost to attendance. In addition, I have read about RMC, but RMC has been exclusive to Six Flags and family operated (Silver Dollar City). When Cedarfair/Valleyfair decide that a roller coaster is the appropriate addition, it will be an inverted roller coaster as the whole park has only three inversions, and all are offered on a 50 second ride. Â I know I am not offering much in the way of speculation, but my intuition suggests that 2016 will be a roller coaster year with no supporting evidence. See you all May 16th after I run the 5k with my daughters and ride with, what I am assuming is many of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariznglori Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I'm saying we have several years to go before SFGA can consider getting theirs. So in the meantime you can't really count the towel as getting thrown in. Nor does it matter if they were to get theirs tomorrow, actually. They have an invert so good it's been duplicated more times than I care to count, but of course we all want an invert here even though it's pretty close and a common (but not staple) ride type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsupercity Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I would say an Inverted coaster is a staple among parks. Almost everypark has a B&M or SLC. You could even say VF has an invert with its inverted impulse coaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCjunkie Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) I would say within a reasonable day trip was what I was thinking, so about 4 hours one way max. Which puts the only one in reach at...nowhere. Â Nowhere? Really? Adventureland just installed a Wind Seeker last year called Storm Chaser. Adventureland is located in Altoona, IA which is just northeast of Des Moines. From Minneapolis it only takes 3.5 to 4 hours to get to Des Moines. VF needs something thrilling. Wind Seekers are pretty tame when it comes to thrills. They can be fun and provide good views but not very thrilling compared to most rides that size. Edited April 6, 2015 by RCjunkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dippindotsguy8 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 ^^ Again, yeah, inverts are very common, but to me a staple means no park feels truly "complete" without one. Plenty of incredible parks out there don't have inverts. Â Though I agree, it's a hole in the lineup that would be nice to fill at some point. Â Â I would say within a reasonable day trip was what I was thinking, so about 4 hours one way max. Which puts the only one in reach at...nowhere. Â Nowhere? Really? Adventureland just installed a Wind Seeker last year called Storm Chaser. Adventureland is located in Altoona, IA which is just northeast of Des Moines. From Minneapolis it only takes 3.5 to 4 hours to get to Des Moines. VF needs something thrilling. Wind Seekers are pretty tame when it comes to thrills. They can be fun an provide good views but not very thrilling compared to most rides that size. Â Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCjunkie Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 From my experience, it seems like a lot of the Minnesota general public don't think Valleyfair is a worthwhile destination (and I can see why), but if they continue to make good additions/improvements, that might change some people's minds. Â My experience too. And to change that impression CF has to take a risk, invest a little more than normal and build a worthy thrill ride (most likely a coaster)to increase attendance and get people to the park. Just like when they broke a million visits after putting in WT. Build it, promote it and they will come. Keep putting in so-so rides and falling behind your competition that is adding new rides and you can't expect your park to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF15 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I would say an Inverted coaster is a staple among parks. Almost everypark has a B&M or SLC. You could even say VF has an invert with its inverted impulse coaster Steel Venom is technically an inverted coaster, but I don't think it cuts it in most enthusiasts' books since it is only a shuttle coaster and not a full-circuit one. Even though a B&M invert would be a great fit for Valleyfair, what worries me is that a lot of people say B&M inverts in recent years have been rather tame with the exception of Banshee, and I highly doubt VF will get a Banshee-sized invert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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