Sir Clinksalot Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 That video is inaccurate to the point of being irresponsible. This. Totally irresponsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyRush Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 That video or any report that explains a click, just disregard. And i like that narrators accent. British? Australian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmcdllr Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Sooooo much wrong with that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titancoaster Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 All I could do was laugh at the video, the random scream was almost comical, and the direction she fell...like wtf, I know fifth graders who are smart enough to realize she would have fallen the other way. Whats sad is the creator of the video takes themselves as serious news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadster Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 That video is disgusting. Anything to make a dime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsdude360 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Being overweight is not always a lifestyle choice. There are both medical and hereditary conditions which can result in a tendency to be overweight. So? Thank you captain obvious for that comment. Doesn't change the fact that someone shouldn't ride. Yes, I agree completey. I didn't mean to suggest that larger guests should be permitted to ride regardless of their size. I completely withdraw my earlier remarks if they are deemed inappropriate in any way. Edited July 25, 2013 by Sportsdude360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC241092 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Regarding people who are posting here discussing the reason for being overweight: What does it matter? All opinions aside - If she was overweight because of her own choices, then she (and no one else for that matter) can complain because that's her choice and she can't expect to ride a roller coaster if she's too overweight. If she wanted to she needs to lose the weight herself and make that choice. If she is overweight because of medical issue/herditary reasons then she (and again, no one else) can complain because that's just that and whilst it might be unfortunate, it's just like not being able to ride a roller coaster because you were born with no legs. (Rubbish example i know, but I hope it gets my point across). I just don't understand why this is even being discussed!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind Idiot God Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Mostly because it's the issues surrounding guests who are not able to safely ride due to physical limitations and should not be allowed on but who are allowed on anyways for various reasons, mostly employee error/apathy or fear of discrimination suits and bad PR if they have to do the "walk of shame". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougMJr Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 If you think that video is bad, they made one for shoot the Rapids as well (posted in the CP discussion thread). They didn't even get the right ride for that animation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_CBR Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 That video or any report that explains a click, just disregard. And i like that narrators accent. British? Australian? Australian I'm ashamed to say. Been a lurker for a while (was a member years ago, used to run Ozcoaster with Ian 'Rabid' Disney). Saw this on the local news (Canberra) and thought this would be the best place to get some reliable information. Although it was refreshing to read the excellent article that has been posted several times, the vast majority of coverage including that animation has been lazy and implicitly sensationalizing the event and the danger or coasters in general, by not putting their overall safety into context for readers. As others have pointed out many times already, although it's difficult to calculate deaths or serious injuries per passenger mile, an educated guess based on trip numbers (which show them to be extremely safe compared to others forms of transport) would demonstrate that roller coasters are statistically safer forms of transport than at least all forms of road transport and I would be surprised if it didn't come out on top against commercial rail and air travel as well, regardless of which calculation method is used. The reason for this is fairly obvious - these are highly engineered forms of transport, with redundant safety systems and comfortable margins in terms of loads on the track, train and structure and even more importantly, are operating within an extremely controlled and predictable environment that just isn't possible for practical modes of transport (but also the reason for trains and planes being safer than road travel, for example). In my opinion, the main reason such rare events as this one generate such inappropriate or disproportionate responses compared to much more pressing realities of the dangers of road travel (or countless other more likely things to kill you, such as what you've had for lunch for the last 20 years), is that roller coasters not only look scary and dangerous, they are designed to elicit these emotions. The media absolutely have a responsibility to do a far better job than they do when it comes to deliberately sensationalizing such events without putting the overall safety of roller coasters and amusements park rides into context for readers, the vast majority of which aren't coaster enthusiasts and don't know the numbers and realities regarding safety. Despite what we'd all like to believe, we rarely use logic alone in a decision making process and the less we know (or think we know), they more we rely on an emotional or associative judgement - neither of which ends well for the perception of roller coaster safety after even a minor incident. Even though there is a parallel to incidents involving commercial air travel, as others have mentioned, I think that the reality of the overall safety of air travel has been hammered home long and hard enough by the airlines (and subsequently the media to a lesser extent), so that even after high profile incidents, most people would still acknowledge commercial air travel as being safer than driving. I have a strong suspicion that if you were to conduct a poll the day after the SFOT tragedy and the day after the recent tragedy at SFO, with a question along the lines of "in light of yesterday's incident, how likely are you to reconsider your next 'plane trip'/'roller coaster ride'?" You would receive a far more negative reaction in terms of future intent towards the coaster than the plane - both of which, fortunately, fade over time. Having said all that, as much as I love coasters and theme parks, there are far more important issues I would like to see covered in a much more responsible manner by the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind Idiot God Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I think the main theme we're seeing here is "people are stupid, irresponsible, completely unwilling to accept fault, always looking for a cultural bogeyman, and always looking for material that supports their opinions of said cultural bogeyman". News outlets are going to speak of coasters as poorly-designed, horrendously unsafe suicide machines and parks as amoral life-jugglers who place profits over safety and who are hell-bent on making sure it stays that way because people expect that kind of portrayal and aren't inclined to question it, and anything from a news outlet that runs contrary to their uninformed, benighted subject views is probably going to anger them because people don't take kindly to stuff that does not line up with how they currently feel on the subject. It makes them feel stupid, and people tend to equate that with biting the hand that feeds because hey, they're loyal readers and CAN YOU BELIEVE THE NERVE OF THESE ASSHOLES SAYING SOMETHING THAT DIFFERS FROM MY OH-SO-DEEPLY-HELD CONVICTIONS THIS IS INEXCUSABLE GODDAMMIT I'M CANCELLING MY SUBSCRIPTION RIGHT NOW. Really, though, you can replace "coasters" with any common cultural scapegoat. This is hardly a major revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Here is some animation found on Youtube today![youtu_be]http://youtu.be/mVgbkKSoOYM[/youtu_be] That video is inaccurate to the point of being irresponsible. Hire these guys to do the promotional vids for new coaster announcements plzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArizonaGuy Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Any idea on how long the investigation will take? How long did the Superman RoS investigation take for the 2011 accident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 Any idea on how long the investigation will take? How long did the Superman RoS investigation take for the 2011 accident? The Superman one took about a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougMJr Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 ^ I think that this is probably the time frame we are looking at, although it could be shorter because I get the impression that generally Texas gets things done faster than NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottom_feeder_13 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I also imagine that since there isn't any state regulatory agency that also has to take part in the investigation it will go faster as SF has a big stake in getting the ride back up quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchamero Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 http://www.nbcdfw.com/investigations/Woman-Describes-Roller-Coaster-Struggle-Week-Before-Fatal-Fall-216849431.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DFWBrand I just saw this on the local news website.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsThisTheRealLife Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 All I could do was laugh at the video, the random scream was almost comical, and the direction she fell...like wtf Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_IntaMAN_ Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 http://www.nbcdfw.com/investigations/Woman-Describes-Roller-Coaster-Struggle-Week-Before-Fatal-Fall-216849431.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DFWBrand I just saw this on the local news website.... At least she was smart enough to get off before anything else would happen before hand. Like Robb said in his interview, if you don't feel safe, simply don't ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArizonaGuy Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Any idea on how long the investigation will take? How long did the Superman RoS investigation take for the 2011 accident? The Superman one took about a month. Cool deal. Thanks Robb. I wonder if the iRat investigation will take as long or if it'll be a bit quicker since there wasn't any accident at SFFT. Hopefully that'll be the case since I'll be in San Antonio for a few more weeks. In any case it moves along quickly so they can make any modifications they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oryp Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I'm headed down from St. Louis to Branson tomorrow for two days, then to Arlington for SFOT, then to Schlitterbahn NB, then to SFFT (planned this mostly to hit the three RMCs). Am I correct in assuming that there's basically no chance that either NTAG or iRat will open within the next week? Also, what is the best strategy for hitting everything in the park in one day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerstlaueringvar Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Seems like everyone is focusing on the NTaG incident. Does the Shockwave repairing work still going on or they stopped it because it's taken by Gerstlauer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) http://www.nbcdfw.com/investigations/Woman-Describes-Roller-Coaster-Struggle-Week-Before-Fatal-Fall-216849431.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DFWBrand I just saw this on the local news website.... I get the feeling the real context of this situation was that the ride operators got the bar down low enough to dispatch the ride, but asked if she felt comfortable first...of course, since it was stapling her so much, she said no and they let her off. Edited July 25, 2013 by Jew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacificoaster Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 #Convoluted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Johnson Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I'm headed down from St. Louis to Branson tomorrow for two days, then to Arlington for SFOT, then to Schlitterbahn NB, then to SFFT (planned this mostly to hit the three RMCs). Am I correct in assuming that there's basically no chance that either NTAG or iRat will open within the next week? Also, what is the best strategy for hitting everything in the park in one day? Seriously, invest in a flash pass. Though I do not think Texas Screamer or Judge Roy Scream are on the system so you may want to hit those first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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