cal1br3tto Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 ^^There is one reason I've considered counting first generation Freefalls as credits. I have a coaster book that actually considered Demon Drop at Cedar Point and other Freefalls to be roller coasters. I don't count them because, like you said, you almost never hear of people counting them (I think I've only even seen it come up for debate once). Even though my credit list is mainly for personal enjoyment, I think it would lose some meaning if I counted things that people just don't count, and there's nothing saying I can't keep track of said rides another way anyway (I do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voxelmatic Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 So, I'm going to Kings Dominion for the second time on Monday, and I have been on i305 before. But, last time I rode it in 2010, it had the original restraints, the first drop was trimmed, and the first turn had not yet been modified. When I get on it on Monday, it won't have trims on the first drop, it will have the newer straps, and the modified first turn. So, new credit or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanreich Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 ^Definitely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal1br3tto Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Yeah, it's too similar. Plus there's the simple fact that other people aren't recounting it, so there'd be little point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simaticable Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 ^^^It wasn't heavily modified as say, Phantom's Revenge, so it's the same credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stashua123 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Ive ridden 16 rollercoasters in my life: Wooden: 5: Teddy Bear,Tornado,Beast,Woodstock Express, Racer. Steel:10: Space Mountain,Diamondback,Invertigo,Flying ACE,Flight Deck,Vortex,Firehawk,Flight of fear,Adventure Express Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbanLegend Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I had some fairly ridiculous philosophical credit questions, and I wanted to see people's opinions of them: *If you were to travel to an alternate universe and ride, say, Storm Runner in that alt-universe, would Storm Runner and alt-Storm Runner count as separate credits? *If you went back in time to ride a credit that is now defunct, such as 2000 Son of Beast, would that count? *Combining the two, if you were to travel back in time, but somehow alter history, such as causing Whizzer to be demolished instead of Shockwave, would modern day alt-Shockwave count? What about Whizzer in this timeline? I may or may not have just watched Back To The Future Part II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSum1_55 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I had some fairly ridiculous philosophical credit questions, and I wanted to see people's opinions of them: *If you were to travel to an alternate universe and ride, say, Storm Runner in that alt-universe, would Storm Runner and alt-Storm Runner count as separate credits? *If you went back in time to ride a credit that is now defunct, such as 2000 Son of Beast, would that count? *Combining the two, if you were to travel back in time, but somehow alter history, such as causing Whizzer to be demolished instead of Shockwave, would modern day alt-Shockwave count? What about Whizzer in this timeline? I may or may not have just watched Back To The Future Part II. My answers: 1. If alternate universe Storm Runner were built with a completely different layout, then it would count. However, if it is the same Stormrunner as in this universe, it doesn't count. 2. Yes. Defunct credits count. 3. Whizzer and Shockwave are two credits. If you rode them both in any way, they both count as one each. (Does this answer your question?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal1br3tto Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Confession time: I've finally decided to count relocated credits. Not like you're gonna sue me, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterRollin Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 ^ How could you!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougMJr Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 ^^I kind of agree. I think the location of a coaster plays a big role in the experience. So I would count relocated coasters as well, with the exception of traveling fun fare coasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightypotato Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Confession time: I've finally decided to count relocated credits. Not like you're gonna sue me, right? You'll be hearing from my attorney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biker7766 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 ^LOL!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal1br3tto Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Then I won't be saying another word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biker7766 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 ^LOL...Again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygator Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Since this came up in the Hades 360 thread. So what does everyone think of altered coasters? When do you count them as a new credit? Personally, I don't count most of these changes because my feeble mind can't keep track of the changes. Examples: Hades 360 with a loop added Steel Phantom to Phantom's Revenge Son of Beast with loop removed Batman and Robin: The Chiller with amended spikes Mr Freeze: forward vs backward Texas Giant / NTAG Rattler / Iron Rattler Boulder Dash with trick track removed in favor of triple up i305 with reprofiled first turn What are some other examples you can think of and to what degree does a coaster have to change for you to count it as a new credit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperLover Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 ^ For me it depends. If the ride layout is basically the same with just a Rocky Mountain upgrade or plus minus a loop, I wouldn't count it as a new credit. If a lot of the coaster or even all of it was redesigned, then I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Finn Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I think coasters like Steel Phantom and Pippen are unique to Phantom's Revenge and Thunderbolt, but Hades is not unique to Hades 360. As was said, significant differences in the ride need to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simaticable Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I think coasters like Steel Phantom and Pippen are unique to Phantom's Revenge and Thunderbolt, but Hades is not unique to Hades 360. As was said, significant differences in the ride need to exist. This. Hades and SOB just had a section of track replaced while the two examples above had major renovations with the track. I would also count the RMC renovations as new credits since the layouts were majorly altered from their original designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal1br3tto Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Sometimes I have trouble with this issue, so it's still a case-by-case basis for me. Mr. Freeze: NO (have ridden both versions at SFOT) Texas Giant/NTAG: YES (have ridden NTAG) Rattler/iRat: YES (will have ridden both) Otherwise, not sure where to draw the line. I think it's interesting to note in which forms I've ridden a coaster, and that could take the form of counting it as a new credit, but it's not a big deal. I will probably just go with the majority in each case unless I have a really good reason to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcdude Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 For whether a modified coaster counts as a new credit or not, I use the following rule: Once a coaster has been counted as a credit, it cannot be counted as a new credit unless... A. A significant portion of the layout has been modified B. The ride has recieved new trains that dramatically alter the ride experience, or C. More than 60% of the track has been replaced during a single refurbishment Using the listed examples... Hades: Not a new credit: adding a barrel roll is not a signifcant change, just the additon of a new element Phantom's Revenge: New credit: completely new layout with a majority of the track replaced Son of Beast: Not a new credit: removal of the loop is just the removal of one element Batman and Robin: The Chiller: Not a new credit: similar reasons to the above Mr. Freeze Reverse Blast: Not a new credit: reversing the trains isn't a dramatic alteration of the ride experience, especially on a shuttle coaster New Texas Giant: New credit: the ride has been converted from a wood coaster to a steel coaster with 100% track replacement Iron Rattler: New credit: same reasons as New Texas Giant Boulder Dash: Not a new credit: only a small section of track was modified Intimidator 305: Not a new credit: the layout remained the same and only the profile was adjusted I haven't actually been on any of these rides in multiple forms, but this is how I would count them if I had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollin_n_coastin Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 My head is spinning Agree about making it a case by case basis. For me, it has to be a completely new ride to count as a new credit. Taking from Larry's list: Matterhorn - No Bizarro SFNE and SFGA - No Voyage with Timberliner trains - No Hades 360 - No Phantom's Revenge - Yes Son of Beast - No Chiller - No Mr Freeze backwards - No New Texas Giant - Yes Iron Rattler - Yes Boulder Dash tripple up - No i305 re-profile - No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gisco Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 One of the reasons I gave up counting coasters was situations like this. It was to much effort to try to lay down rules on what or was not a credit and the next person would have different rules. It was at that point I realized that counting was only for my benefit. You really couldn't compare your count to someone elses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milst1 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I think the count is really just your own thing, so you get to decide what counts and what doesn't. And then you get to make fun of other people's decisions about what to count. I like coaster-count.com myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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