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Has it gotten to the point where Kings Dominion has become one of the low tier parks in the cedar fair chain?

 

They're mid-tier.

 

Tier 1: Cedar Point, Kings Island

Tier 2: Carowinds, Canada's Wonderland

Tier 3: Kings Dominion, Knott's Berry Farm, California's Great America

Tier 4: Dorney Park, Worlds of Fun, Valleyfair

Tier 5: Michigan's Adventure

 

I don't agree with this... Carowinds Tier 2? I'd say Knott's is easily in Tier 2, and probably KD is above Carowinds. At worst, they're in equal tiers. I haven't been to KD in 15 years, and I went to Carowinds a couple of years ago, and I'd STILL put KD at worst, equal to Carowinds!

 

Oh, and Michigan's Adventure is more like Tier 6. There is no Tier 5!

 

I'm going by investment and attendance.

 

I guess you could put Knott's in tier 2 then but still the rankings are accurate.

 

Are you basing this just on Fury being the new hotness? I mean, KD has a Giga already. They don't have a Hyper, but they do have a sweet Floorless, and one of the only launched Inverts in the world. Next year, they'll have an RMC. I just wasn't that impressed by Carowinds when I went there. Underwhelmed, actually, would be an apt description. I guess it's all a matter of perspective, however...

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Has it gotten to the point where Kings Dominion has become one of the low tier parks in the cedar fair chain?

 

They're mid-tier.

 

Tier 1: Cedar Point, Kings Island

Tier 2: Carowinds, Canada's Wonderland

Tier 3: Kings Dominion, Knott's Berry Farm, California's Great America

Tier 4: Dorney Park, Worlds of Fun, Valleyfair

Tier 5: Michigan's Adventure

 

I don't agree with this... Carowinds Tier 2? I'd say Knott's is easily in Tier 2, and probably KD is above Carowinds. At worst, they're in equal tiers. I haven't been to KD in 15 years, and I went to Carowinds a couple of years ago, and I'd STILL put KD at worst, equal to Carowinds!

 

Oh, and Michigan's Adventure is more like Tier 6. There is no Tier 5!

 

I'm going by investment and attendance.

 

I guess you could put Knott's in tier 2 then but still the rankings are accurate.

 

Are you basing this just on Fury being the new hotness? I mean, KD has a Giga already. They don't have a Hyper, but they do have a sweet Floorless, and one of the only launched Inverts in the world. Next year, they'll have an RMC. I just wasn't that impressed by Carowinds when I went there. Underwhelmed, actually, would be an apt description. I guess it's all a matter of perspective, however...

 

I think the RMC might put them in tier 2 but it will have to be a great one.

 

However Fury is the best coaster in the world by many plus Carowinds got I232 and an amazing food upgrade recently. Again, it's by recent investment.

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By overall quality over the course of entire existence, here's how I would rank the Cedar Fair parks (the ones I've been to):

 

1. Cedar Point (best non-theme park period)

2/3. Kings Dominion (nicest looking, upper-echelon collection)

2/3. Kings Island (Best balance of coasters, upper-echelon look)

4. Carowinds (Fury, decent depth, food is great, mediocre looking)

5. Canada's Wonderland (Nice landscaping and fantastic flat rides but awful collection of coasters)

6. Knott's Berry Farm (two good coasters and okay theming).

7. Dorney Park (Three good coasters and no theming).

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Has it gotten to the point where Kings Dominion has become one of the low tier parks in the cedar fair chain?

 

They're mid-tier.

 

Tier 1: Cedar Point, Kings Island

Tier 2: Carowinds, Canada's Wonderland

Tier 3: Kings Dominion, Knott's Berry Farm, California's Great America

Tier 4: Dorney Park, Worlds of Fun, Valleyfair

Tier 5: Michigan's Adventure

 

I don't agree with this... Carowinds Tier 2? I'd say Knott's is easily in Tier 2, and probably KD is above Carowinds. At worst, they're in equal tiers. I haven't been to KD in 15 years, and I went to Carowinds a couple of years ago, and I'd STILL put KD at worst, equal to Carowinds!

 

Oh, and Michigan's Adventure is more like Tier 6. There is no Tier 5!

 

I'm going by investment and attendance.

 

I guess you could put Knott's in tier 2 then but still the rankings are accurate.

 

Are you basing this just on Fury being the new hotness? I mean, KD has a Giga already. They don't have a Hyper, but they do have a sweet Floorless, and one of the only launched Inverts in the world. Next year, they'll have an RMC. I just wasn't that impressed by Carowinds when I went there. Underwhelmed, actually, would be an apt description. I guess it's all a matter of perspective, however...

I'll be going to Carowinds the day after next so I'll be able to judge that park then, but I definitely don't see KD on the same level as CGA. I agree with your assessment, DILinator, I was very impressed with the park.

We don't know what CGA is getting yet, but KD getting one of the first RMCs in the chain automatically puts them high on the totem pole, IMO.

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Has it gotten to the point where Kings Dominion has become one of the low tier parks in the cedar fair chain?

 

They're mid-tier.

 

Tier 1: Cedar Point, Kings Island

Tier 2: Carowinds, Canada's Wonderland

Tier 3: Kings Dominion, Knott's Berry Farm, California's Great America

Tier 4: Dorney Park, Worlds of Fun, Valleyfair

Tier 5: Michigan's Adventure

I'd argue WOF has moved up to tier 3, Knott's is Tier 1, and Dorney is damn near Tier 5.

 

Not in terms of attention from Cedar Fair. WOF has been ignored as much as Dorney and Knott's is getting their first major new coaster in 14 years.

In 2017, WOF is spending $5 mil+ on WinterFest, $2 mil on flats, and $3 mil on the new entrance. They also spent $10 mil in 2013, $8 mil in 2011, and $8 mil in 2009. They've also received a major coaster more recently than any park in tiers 4 and 5, and have the most children's rides of any kid's area in the U.S. I think I have an argument.

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^Fine, here's a re-alignment:

 

Tier 1: Cedar Point, Kings Island

Tier 2: Kings Dominion, Carowinds, Canada's Wonderland

Tier 3: Knott's Berry Farm, California's Great America, Worlds of Fun

Tier 4: Dorney Park, Valleyfair

Tier 5: Michigan's Adventure

 

Six Flags wise (just for sh*ts and giggles):

 

Tier 1: Magic Mountain (let's be honest)

Tier 2: Great Adventure, Great America

Tier 3: Over Texas, Fiesta Texas, New England, Over Georgia

Tier 4: Discovery Kingdom, Mexico

Tier 5: St. Louis, America, La Ronde

Tier 6: Great Escape

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Interesting factoid Wonderland and Dorney have both received coasters the same year the last 3 times

2005 - CW- Backlot Stunt DP-Hydra

2008 - CW - Behemoth DP- Possessed

2012 - CW - Leviathan DP- Stinger

 

Neither is getting a coaster in 2018, but they may both get one in 2019. I predict CW finally gets "Ziz" as B&M Wing or Dive coaster.

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Carowinds got an extra money package when they got Fury, but it may be a one-time investment rather than a pattern. They do have a less competitive location. I went 19 or 20 years ago, back then Hurler was the latest coaster and frankly by far the best, as Thunder Road seemed like it barely made it back to the station and the top steel was a standup. KD already had FoF with Volcano on the way. The difference vs. KD was huge at that time, it has narrowed but clearly KD had a big lead back then.

 

BTW I rode Volcano last Tuesday.

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After reading the last few pages of this thread, I'm not sure if I should grab some popcorn and beer and wait for more or reach for the migraine medication.

 

I dread the state of this thread when RMC Hurler is officially announced.

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Interesting factoid Wonderland and Dorney have both received coasters the same year the last 3 times

2005 - CW- Backlot Stunt DP-Hydra

2008 - CW - Behemoth DP- Possessed

2012 - CW - Leviathan DP- Stinger

 

Neither is getting a coaster in 2018, but they may both get one in 2019. I predict CW finally gets "Ziz" as B&M Wing or Dive coaster.

 

Ziz has been a rumor for four years now.

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Interesting factoid Wonderland and Dorney have both received coasters the same year the last 3 times

2005 - CW- Backlot Stunt DP-Hydra

2008 - CW - Behemoth DP- Possessed

2012 - CW - Leviathan DP- Stinger

 

Neither is getting a coaster in 2018, but they may both get one in 2019. I predict CW finally gets "Ziz" as B&M Wing or Dive coaster.

 

Ziz has been a rumor for four years now.

 

You have been a tumor in this thread for four months now.

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Interesting factoid Wonderland and Dorney have both received coasters the same year the last 3 times

2005 - CW- Backlot Stunt DP-Hydra

2008 - CW - Behemoth DP- Possessed

2012 - CW - Leviathan DP- Stinger

 

Neither is getting a coaster in 2018, but they may both get one in 2019. I predict CW finally gets "Ziz" as B&M Wing or Dive coaster.

 

Ziz has been a rumor for four years now.

 

Yes, and a rumor for good reason. CW has the space and it's a top end park in the chain. The names Behemoth, Leviathan, and Ziz are linked in mythology representing earth, water, and air. The trademarking of the name was purposeful to complete the triad of coasters at some point. I predict minimum 3 CF coasters in 2019...CW, Dorney, and Carrowinds vortex conversion to floorless. 2020 Carowinds gets another coaster b/c CP got and CGA by all indications will be getting a coasters the year after their floorless conversions.

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One thing that I'd like to see at KD is a nice sized family restaurant. Similar to the one in Carowinds near Nighthawk. That is a great option for families with the dining plan as there are several options to choose from. Makes it easier when you have 4 mouths to feed and everyone wants something different.

Is there currently any decent sit-down restaurant in the park, dining pass or not? Visiting with the whole family on Thursday as well, so I'm not sure what the best option is going to be for us.

 

(Sorry to distract from all the semi-annual attempts at ranking what "tier" the CF parks are in...)

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Interesting factoid Wonderland and Dorney have both received coasters the same year the last 3 times

2005 - CW- Backlot Stunt DP-Hydra

2008 - CW - Behemoth DP- Possessed

2012 - CW - Leviathan DP- Stinger

 

Neither is getting a coaster in 2018, but they may both get one in 2019. I predict CW finally gets "Ziz" as B&M Wing or Dive coaster.

 

Ziz has been a rumor for four years now.

 

You have been a tumor in this thread for four months now.

 

I'm stunned nobody has commented on this yet.

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Interesting factoid Wonderland and Dorney have both received coasters the same year the last 3 times

2005 - CW- Backlot Stunt DP-Hydra

2008 - CW - Behemoth DP- Possessed

2012 - CW - Leviathan DP- Stinger

 

Neither is getting a coaster in 2018, but they may both get one in 2019. I predict CW finally gets "Ziz" as B&M Wing or Dive coaster.

 

Ziz has been a rumor for four years now.

 

Yes, and a rumor for good reason. CW has the space and it's a top end park in the chain. The names Behemoth, Leviathan, and Ziz are linked in mythology representing earth, water, and air. The trademarking of the name was purposeful to complete the triad of coasters at some point. I predict minimum 3 CF coasters in 2019...CW, Dorney, and Carrowinds vortex conversion to floorless. 2020 Carowinds gets another coaster b/c CP got and CGA by all indications will be getting a coasters the year after their floorless conversions.

 

That doesn't mean Ziz will be a thing. Wouldn't surprise me really if Worlds of Fun and even Valleyfair get a coaster before Canada's Wonderland. You also have to keep in mind that CGA is getting a hyper too in the near future.

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One thing that I'd like to see at KD is a nice sized family restaurant. Similar to the one in Carowinds near Nighthawk. That is a great option for families with the dining plan as there are several options to choose from. Makes it easier when you have 4 mouths to feed and everyone wants something different.

Is there currently any decent sit-down restaurant in the park, dining pass or not? Visiting with the whole family on Thursday as well, so I'm not sure what the best option is going to be for us.

 

(Sorry to distract from all the semi-annual attempts at ranking what "tier" the CF parks are in...)

 

There are three spots off the top of my head in the park that have indoor sit-down areas. There's a chicken sandwich/burger place (the Hungry Hippo I think) right by Stunt Coaster, Chick-fil-a, and a pizza place (can't remember the name) next door to the Soak City entrance. There is a Panda Express in the front of the park, and I think there is a little bit of indoor seating beyond the seats by the fountains. Starbucks has seats, but that's obviously not a restaurant.

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In addition to those mentioned there is Outer Hank's which is a little fish fry joint in front of Volcano. There's also the country kitchen (or whatever it's called) behind the carousel.

 

There's no one big place to eat indoors at KD but there are several small areas to eat with some A/C.

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Latest guide to KD food:

 

The Country Kitchen is their premiere sit down restaurant for those in a meat and potatoes mood. It has been good this year and, for the first time in years, open 'til close every day. If you go, don't get the chicken tenders because those can be had anywhere and everything else is better. This restaurant includes their single best food item relative to its type, cole slaw. Get it on your BBQ sandwich (magic, even it doesn't sound good), on the side or as a full side, but whatever you do, get the slaw. Yes it's just cole slaw but you won't find better anywhere.

 

Outer Hanks is good if you value A/C over everything else. Hungry Hippo if you have dining plan and want to eat the fries now and take the sandwich with you. Otherwise avoid. Int'l Street Pizza can be good, but chances are less than 1%; outside. Victoria's is big but sucks. Panda Express and Chic-Fil-a ares very good but of course chains; 4 tables inside PE I've never been in CFA. Border Cafe is good but smaller food than the Kitchen and it's on the way out so if you don't have the dining plan I'd just keep going; has A/C.

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