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I think the notion that Hurler can't be turned into an RMC is BS.

 

I mean, nobody is going to argue with you on that...

 

The Hurlers have a completely useless design from the beginning. Four straight lines connected with a couple right turns. RMC could make a better ride out of it utilizing those straight lines (ie 0g stalls and better airtime). The point is, the layout couldn't be turned into something twisty/interesting with the current support structure.

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It's been a few days since I've been on the thread because of my trip, so I didn't get to talk about my second day. It basically consisted of 4x Volcano during early entry, Avalanche, 2x I305, 2x Anaconda, and we finished with Shenandoah Lumber Co. since there wasn't enough time on the first day. It was a huge surprise in the trip, because it's an excellent flume that doesn't get mentioned that much.

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I mean, El Toro is just two long-ass lines of hills ending with a tiny little twister section, right?

 

But GCI have a lot of twitiez, and so they're the most exciting wooden coasters, right?

Im gonna quote myself . . .

 

Is it me but would an RMC hurler be kinda pointless? All hurler does is turn right with some hills in between. There is no directional change, the entire coaster barely goes back over 30ft after the first drop, and it has one of the most uninspired layouts. If you look, most rmc iron horse coasters have a somewhat twisted layout to begin with. I just don't see an RMC hurler . . .

Yes, El Toro is what you described, however, it has height variation as do the GCI coasters like roar. I'm not saying they couldn't iron horse hurler. I'm saying, in my opinion, it would be pointless to do that when a better layout could come from a brand new coaster. It's only so high then can extend the lift and I feel to make it feel different. A major overhaul of the layout would probably need to be done, in my opinion.

 

The GCI retracking Carowinds did created a very smooth front seat experience for hurler. Unfortunately the trim at the bottom of the first drop killed the entire ride to the point of little to no airtime on any hill.

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I mean, El Toro is just two long-ass lines of hills ending with a tiny little twister section, right?

 

But GCIs have a lot of twitiez, and so they're the most exciting wooden coasters, right?

Im gonna quote myself . . .

 

Is it me but would an RMC hurler be kinda pointless? All hurler does is turn right with some hills in between. There is no directional change, the entire coaster barely goes back over 30ft after the first drop, and it has one of the most uninspired layouts. If you look, most rmc iron horse coasters have a somewhat twisted layout to begin with. I just don't see an RMC hurler . . .

Yes, El Toro is what you described, however, it has height variation as do the GCI coasters like roar. I'm not saying they couldn't iron horse hurler. I'm saying, in my opinion, it would be pointless to do that when a better layout could come from a brand new coaster. It's only so high then can extend the lift and I feel to make it feel different. A major overhaul of the layout would probably need to be done, in my opinion.

 

The GCI retracking Carowinds did created a very smooth front seat experience for hurler. Unfortunately the trim at the bottom of the first drop killed the entire ride to the point of little to no airtime on any hill.

I understood what you meant. But the principle of a conversion was not what I was referring to. I was referring to the basic layout of the ride as is - just how you described it.

 

That being said, I found it naive to judge a coaster like so. I guess where we differ is I don't find Hurler's layout "pointless" simply because of the geometry of it. understand where you're coming from. It would be difficult to RMC it because it lacks structure. In the case of a conversion, I too would see it pointless. But as is, it doesn't have to be thought of as an uninspired ride in its current state.

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Is it me but would an RMC hurler be kinda pointless? All hurler does is turn right with some hills in between. There is no directional change, the entire coaster barely goes back over 30ft after the first drop, and it has one of the most uninspired layouts. If you look, most rmc iron horse coasters have a somewhat twisted layout to begin with. I just don't see an RMC hurler . . .

 

Take a look at the old NE Cyclone's layout. Then take a look at Wicked Cyclone.

 

No it wouldn't be pointless.

You mean this layout?

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That has height variation and does more than make right turns? In my opinion, RMC would meet their biggest challenge with hurler as most of their conversions had a layout with character and depth to begin with. We will see . . .

 

 

You're right. It makes right turns AND left turns!

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That being said, I found it naive to judge a coaster like so. I guess where we differ is I don't find Hurler's layout "pointless" simply because of the geometry of it. understand where you're coming from. It would be difficult to RMC it because it lacks structure. In the case of a conversion, I too would see it pointless. But as is, it doesn't have to be thought of as an uninspired ride in its current state.

 

I never said hurlers layout was pointless. I said it has an uninspiring layout (when considering it for a conversion in my opinion) and that's OK because lots of good coasters have basic layouts. I said, I feel a RMC conversion would be, in my opinion, pointless. And we seem to agree. If history proves itself, RMC generally adds height to the lift, lowers the elements and shortens the coaster with conversions. That seems that it would be a challenge and it would probably be best to build from ground up.

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KD is my home park, so I was inspired to join and have fun with this. I thought of a few different layouts in a short time, but went with this for max thrills. I actually like Hurler. It was different than most wooden coasters, but whatever happens is cool.

 

Edit: Totally forgot about the Top Gun Stall ... so that could replace an airtime hill.

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Aerial concept of a RMC'd Hurler using existing foundations and structure.

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You guys realize that RMC never uses the exact layout of the old ride, right? They greatly modify the shape. I can see them adding a bit of track to this. So basically...

 

105 ft tall

Dive over drop

2 more inversions

55 MPH

3000-3500 ft

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The fact that this thread is debating Hurler's layout makes my head hurt. Never thought I'd see the day.

Then what would you like to discuss?

 

You guys realize that RMC never uses the exact layout of the old ride, right? They greatly modify the shape. I can see them adding a bit of track to this. So basically...

 

105 ft tall

Dive over drop

2 more inversions

55 MPH

3000-3500 ft

 

Actually, they do follow the ground level layout, the path, quite close as that is the reason they generally only have to add support structure to support the new elements. I haven't seen one where they added sections to the layout that deviated from what the coaster was originally. Also, historically, RMC converted coasters have resulted in shorter layouts with Steel medusa and joker being the only two that had the least impact in the length only loosing about 100ft or so of the original layout. Look, im all for RMC working their magic at KD. I just personally think it would be better executed on a new coaster and hurler stay the same with a complete restoration a la ghostrider.

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The fact that this thread is debating Hurler's layout makes my head hurt. Never thought I'd see the day.

Then what would you like to discuss?

 

You guys realize that RMC never uses the exact layout of the old ride, right? They greatly modify the shape. I can see them adding a bit of track to this. So basically...

 

105 ft tall

Dive over drop

2 more inversions

55 MPH

3000-3500 ft

 

Actually, they do follow the ground level layout, the path, quite close as that is the reason they generally only have to add support structure to support the new elements. I haven't seen one where they added sections to the layout that deviated from what the coaster was originally. Also, historically, RMC converted coasters have resulted in shorter layouts with Steel medusa and joker being the only two that had the least impact in the length only loosing about 100ft or so of the original layout. Look, im all for RMC working their magic at KD. I just personally think it would be better executed on a new coaster and hurler stay the same with a complete restoration a la ghostrider.

 

https://youtu.be/Td7UQHADGgc

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Between that and a GCI/in house complete refurb of hurler, i'd pick the latter. I guess it's because I rode hurler when it first open and know what an airtime machine it once was before the roughness and trimming. That and coupled with riding thunder run at Kentucky Kingdom which reminds me what a complete refurb can do for the coaster is my sentiment as to why I say give the current hurler a track rennovation vs a conversion.

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The fact that this thread is debating Hurler's layout makes my head hurt. Never thought I'd see the day.

Then what would you like to discuss?

 

You guys realize that RMC never uses the exact layout of the old ride, right? They greatly modify the shape. I can see them adding a bit of track to this. So basically...

 

105 ft tall

Dive over drop

2 more inversions

55 MPH

3000-3500 ft

 

Actually, they do follow the ground level layout, the path, quite close as that is the reason they generally only have to add support structure to support the new elements. I haven't seen one where they added sections to the layout that deviated from what the coaster was originally. Also, historically, RMC converted coasters have resulted in shorter layouts with Steel medusa and joker being the only two that had the least impact in the length only loosing about 100ft or so of the original layout. Look, im all for RMC working their magic at KD. I just personally think it would be better executed on a new coaster and hurler stay the same with a complete restoration a la ghostrider.

 

https://youtu.be/Td7UQHADGgc

 

Not a fan of purple, but layout is neat

 

10/10 approved

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Between that and a GCI/in house complete refurb of hurler, i'd pick the latter. I guess it's because I rode hurler when it first open and know what an airtime machine it once was before the roughness and trimming. That and coupled with riding thunder run at Kentucky Kingdom which reminds me what a complete refurb can do for the coaster is my sentiment as to why I say give the current hurler a track rennovation vs a conversion.

 

Yes, Hurler was actually a good ride when during its first season or two.

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The fact that this thread is debating Hurler's layout makes my head hurt. Never thought I'd see the day.

Then what would you like to discuss?

 

You guys realize that RMC never uses the exact layout of the old ride, right? They greatly modify the shape. I can see them adding a bit of track to this. So basically...

 

105 ft tall

Dive over drop

2 more inversions

55 MPH

3000-3500 ft

 

Actually, they do follow the ground level layout, the path, quite close as that is the reason they generally only have to add support structure to support the new elements. I haven't seen one where they added sections to the layout that deviated from what the coaster was originally. Also, historically, RMC converted coasters have resulted in shorter layouts with Steel medusa and joker being the only two that had the least impact in the length only loosing about 100ft or so of the original layout. Look, im all for RMC working their magic at KD. I just personally think it would be better executed on a new coaster and hurler stay the same with a complete restoration a la ghostrider.

 

Man you guys are going to be disappointed when it ends up being a refurbishment.

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Not me. I think that's the best option.

 

I'm not convinced this is getting an RMC treatment at all, but I think a complete refurbishment wouldn't even be worth it. The ROI wouldn't be there at all. Unlike at Carowinds, Kings Dominion's Hurler is by far the most unpopular coaster (possibly ride) in the park. Also, Kings Dominion's Hurler is in worse shape that Carowinds' was pre-refurb so it would be even more costly to do at KD.

 

I truly believe Carowinds' Hurler got the attention first because of its proximity to Fury 325 with the hope for more riders on it. I think it's fair to say Carowinds' Hurler easily gets quite more riders now than it did 2010-2013. I also think its fair to say that if KD's Hurler opens back up with the same name and look (especially after being closed for an entire season) its ridership would be even lower even if it was refurbished.

 

Anyways, I'm going to the park for the first time this season finally tomorrow (better late than never with Platinum season passes), so I'll be on the lookout as always.

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I know none of us truly know what is going on, and I know that not everything the management of theme parks tell us is completely true, but I'm still reminded of the interview with the PR Lady from early in the season that the work on Hurler will be an in house project. I don't remember who did the interview. Perhaps it was In The Loop?

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I know none of us truly know what is going on, and I know that not everything the management of theme parks tell us is completely true, but I'm still reminded of the interview with the PR Lady from early in the season that the work on Hurler will be an in house project. I don't remember who did the interview. Perhaps it was In The Loop?

 

It easily could be a lie. Theme parks do it all the time. Either that or KD found out the coaster was in too bad a shape to keep.

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^^-- or Cedar Fair is letting them have more money than they thought. Maybe the in-house refurb was a threat.

 

One bit of evidence is Thunder Road, its removal at Carowinds makes Rebel Yell more unique. Removal of KD's Hurler would make Carowinds' version more unique.

 

A refurb would be good with better trains, but to continue with the existing ones would require RMC(-style) armor plating on the track to hold up for long enough to bother.

 

I just think those that never enjoyed it ain't wired up right. My only disappointing ride, pre-trims, was the first because it seemed too much like same ride as the other woodies but with longer lines, being new.

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One bit of evidence is Thunder Road, its removal at Carowinds makes Rebel Yell more unique. Removal of KD's Hurler would make Carowinds' version more unique.

 

I can promise you without a doubt that the parks don't care about this at all and neither does anyone else except a few random enthusiasts.

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