deathbydinn Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 ^ That's not what it said in the interview with Six Flag's CEO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christianscoasters Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 SFGAM brings in the most cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Again...MM has a higher per-cap revenue (highest gate admission in the chain, higest prices in park, etc), along with a much longer operating season(virtually all year), and with it being rented out for parties which guarentees a certain amount of revenue in the non-peak season while GrAm is three-feet-deep in snow, Magic Mountain brings in the most cash for the chain despite the fact that Great America and Great Adventure beat it in attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFChris Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 ^Per capita is one thing, but overall income is another. If the other parks bring in more visitors in their shorter operating season, wouldn't that make them the revenue flagships? Even though SFMM is open all year, with ALL of their non-busy days, and there are a lot of them, I'm sure operating costs are considered into this figure. I have absolutely no idea which parks makes the most income, I just thought I would throw in some mundane business nonsense. Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterfan99 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Bringing in money means nothing if you have an awful profit margin. So bringing in the cash does not mean much when you to hire more employees, more major rides to fix/refurb and get a new coaster every or two. So SF Great America is the most profitable park. And for where we know this from Shapiro pointed to a new water ride, longer season, a cyber coffee cafe and additional concerts among the additions at Six Flags Great America in Gurnee, the most profitable in the 20-park portfolio. http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=296367 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Just curious, why does everyone think that the only way a new coaster can be built at SFGAm is if Whizzer is removed? Like as been pointed out several times here, it's hugely popular, has excellent capacity, and everyone loves it. There is a lot of space at the park for major rides. Besides, the park does not need another coaster; stop confusing want with need ... I'd love a Mr Freeze, and a Superman (New England), and an Evil Knievel, and a Kentucky Rumbler, and a Nemesis, and about a zillion other things, none of which are needed The fact is that SFGAm draws from two *massive* population centers, and there is absolutely no competition. What the park needs is more stuff for people to do (and adding 1 ride is not the answer). If you ran the park and could spend $25 million on a single coaster or $25 million to expand the water-park by 50%, what would you do? The water-park is a far, far better investment; as would be a collection of flat-rides. Even adding a Thomas Town would likely yield better results, the Wiggles area was packed on Sunday, while Raging Bull was a walk-on. Cameron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 @Monsterfan and WFChris... You both make solid points, but in the snese that Great America (for example) has a shorter operating season, it could very well have a higher proportion of profit in corrolation to it's shorter season, verses generating more cash and having higher opertaing costs. GrAm can very well indeed be the most profitable park, yet not bring in the most moeny. This of course is speculatory, however as I previously stated is an educated guess based on actual statistics. How else can you justify corporate spending the most in capital improvements on a park that doesn't make the most money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrX8991 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 How else can you justify corporate spending the most in capital improvements on a park that doesn't make the most money? Simple: The park isn't making as much money as it should, and needs a new ride to boost attendance, or needs more to compete with other parks. That's how you could justify it. It's just like Kings Dominion getting a Giga Coaster, while Cedar Point is getting a water ride doesn't mean KD is Cedar Fair's most profitable park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjaco Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 You have to spend money to make money. Sorry, but SFGAm has SFMM beat in profits. It's been that way for years, and has been reported as such. Like I said, I'd much rather see alot of the Marriott theming get a nice new refresh, and HH get an addition. A ton of the buildings are showing way too much peeling and faded paint. Paint is a cheap, and cost effective way to make an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterfan99 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 How else can you justify corporate spending the most in capital improvements on a park that doesn't make the most money? Easy 1) They have a bunch of parks to compete with. Within 150 miles you have Disney, Legoland, Knotts, Sea World and Universal. Thus the park has to convince people to go to their park over the other major theme parks. 2) The park is still trying to recover from the bad press over the years. This includes gangs, the park closing rumor and other not PR friendly items. Things of this nature stick in people's heads for years if not decades. 3)They are trying to compete with a park on the other side of the country for who has the most roller coasters. This one is due to a stupid PR/marketing department and the male ego. SF Great America is a park next to the 3rd largest city. The only other parks within 4 hours(driving the speed limit) of the city are Kiddieland (which closes a week from Sunday) and Indiana Beach (which is in the middle of nowhere) and some family fun centers. The park really does have a license to print money if done right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrykoala2112 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I mean. We don't have any constantly breaking down rides. SFGADV has to deal with Kingda Ka and they probably spend more money operating their rides then we do. But I think SFGAM should be run like a monopoly, even though it isn't in a way it is. They add what ever they want even though they know people will still come, but it seems they care a tiny bit. But I think we are being shunned in a way...even though SFKK and SFA are here....we are being shunned in a way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traincrossin Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Question: What is Season Passholder Appreciation Night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterfan99 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Question: What is Season Passholder Appreciation Night? The park is only open this Friday for Six Flags (all Six Flags parks) season passholders and their guest that use the coupon book coupon to get in. Outside of that, the only other thing is the discounts. They are having $7 photos(on-ride and in the park) and 30% everything in the stores. I think there is one more for food, but I can not remember it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traincrossin Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Anyone know if it's usually crowded then? It seems like it would be if most season pass holders go to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ONE Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Just thought I would let everyone know that 2010 season passes are on sale for $64.99, that also includes admission for the rest of the 2009 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calicoasters Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 How else can you justify corporate spending the most in capital improvements on a park that doesn't make the most money? Easy 1) They have a bunch of parks to compete with. Within 150 miles you have Disney, Legoland, Knotts, Sea World and Universal. Thus the park has to convince people to go to their park over the other major theme parks. 2) The park is still trying to recover from the bad press over the years. This includes gangs, the park closing rumor and other not PR friendly items. Things of this nature stick in people's heads for years if not decades. 3)They are trying to compete with a park on the other side of the country for who has the most roller coasters. This one is due to a stupid PR/marketing department and the male ego. 1.) None of these parks consider each other competition. California residents for the most part know what each park has to offer and will go to which ever suites their taste. A lot of Tourist come from around the world usually with the knowledge of only Disneyland. I work at Knott's Berry Farm and we get a lot of tourist that found out about our park while at Disneyland or Magic Mountain the day before. All these parks increase their success by being so close to each other. 2.) Gangs... Closing... Even the GP don't talk about any of that anymore! 3.) I don't see anything wrong with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillerman1 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Yikes...rumor on Screamscape about Whizzer being replaced by Chang now. With Busch claiming Big Bad Wolf reaching the end of its service life, I wonder if SFGAm will claim the same about Whizzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLERLC1 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I just need one more season for Whizzer, a Phils @ Cubs ticket and I'm there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathbydinn Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 If we ge Chang and lose Whizzer wouldn't they have to take out other stuff too? I don't see how it would fit. Anyway if we get that Iron Wolf will go and then they'll have room for a compact coaster or flat ride. It's not worth losing two coasters for Chang. Would there be enough room for Whizzer if Iron Wolf leaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrykoala2112 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Im not even sure removing Raging Bull is enough room. That coaster takes up a lot of room. They are better off sending it to Six Flags America. They need it more then we do. Honestly, if we do lose Whizzer, we had it longer then BBW was at BGE, so we should be grateful. Although I wouldn't mind buying it and building it in my yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ONE Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 If Chang were to come here I would look for it to go where Splash Water Falls was and taking out Great American Raceway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 ^ Yes, this sounds far more likely. Removing an extremely popular and very much needed ride for one that is completely redundant and unnecessary, just makes no sense .. especially while there's a gaping hole where Spashwater Falls was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccaschmecca Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I'm going to the Season Pass holders night tomorrow and I'd like to know if it's generally crowded??? Also, I haven't been on Superman yet because I'm prone to motion sickness (love coasters, hate spinny rides) and someone told me the positioning might get me sick (going face first on corkscrews, that kind of thing). Any thoughts? Is is more thrilling than Raging Bull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piers Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Where? And probably yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccaschmecca Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Sorry..I thought I was on a board for Six Flags Great America. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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