Six Flags Great America (SFGAm) Discussion Thread

[KDCOASTERFAN]

If any park should recieve chang it should be SFA since A:they recently lost a coaster(accidents happen when corporate cuts the maintenance budget) and B: They're the ONLY park in the chain that hasn't recieved a new coaster in going on ten years now but what with SFI's feelings towards the park I got the feeling that Snyder only bought the chain so he could eliminate a threat to his beloved fed ex field & what with intimidator debutting at KD next season the park doesn't stand a chance of staying open if something isn't done soon.

[WildStangAlex]

Honestly if we get Chang in '10 and a dive machine in '11, Six Flags Great America will start to draw a much bigger crowd outside of the Chicago area, which would greatly benefit not only the park and the city of Gurnee, but the entire Chicago area. Raging Waves, a new HUGE water park in Yorkville could use more tourists to visit the park too, which ROCKS!

[deathbydinn]

^ Where did you get the idea that we are getting a dive machine?

[coasterdude5]

^ That rumor's been floating around since Sheikra opened.

[andre8]

^^^ If SFGA gets a dive machine, it will then be 5 B&Ms, so I don't expect that to happen.

[Bolliger&Mabillard]

^What's wrong with that? Cedar Point has 5 Arrow Dynamic coasters, and 5 Intamin coasters, so why can't GrAm have 5 beemers?

[Mr. Starr]

Honestly if we get Chang in '10 and a dive machine in '11

 

OK, can we please get it straight that with the current financial situation that Six Flags is in, they will not be putting in brand new large mega coasters in the next two years. It's just not happening. If there were any competition within 3 hours of SFGAm, I could see SF contemplating whether or not to add a large attraction, but there is no need. SFMM has to compete with other major parks in order to stay open, thus the many additions of large attractions. Everyone is a fanboy, but the company needs to do what makes sense for themselves and the future.

[monsterfan99]

^^^ If SFGA gets a dive machine, it will then be 5 B&Ms, so I don't expect that to happen.

A Dive Machine (which is not happening) would make it 6 if we also got Chang.

[Bolliger&Mabillard]

6 you say??? well that shut me up then...

[mcjaco]

SFGAm is not getting Chang.

 

 

 

 

End of line.

[Guest]

/\ Your post makes the most sense of any post in this topic.

 

 

 

 

But

 

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=807533#807533

 

If LaRonde is getting an SLC when they already have an awesome B&M invert, I dont count anything out when it comes to Six Flags these days.

[monsterfan99]

If LaRonde is getting an SLC when they already have an awesome B&M invert, I dont count anything out when it comes to Six Flags these days.

This is a statement to go by. Outside of moving Six Flags America to Montana, nothing would shock me with this company.

[Jerrykoala2112]

Notice how La Ronde if getting Serial Thriller will get a vekoma invert and B&M invert. But SFGAM with 2 B&M stand ups? Thats not gonna happen.

[deathbydinn]

^ The company doesn't matter. The rides are completely different. The GP isn't going to Mt. Olympus has 5 coasters built by the same company. The rides are different, that's what matters.

[Jerrykoala2112]

^Well. Those are wooden coasters. Top thrill dragster and Maverick arent the same coasters. They deliver different experiences and everything but those are sit down. You don't see the same 2 inverts, floorlesses, or stand ups or dives because that is not how it works. Exception is dueling dragons because those are dueling. Chang and Iron Wolf aren't going to be dueling.

[deathbydinn]

You don't see the same 2 inverts, floorlesses, or stand ups or dives because that is not how it works. Exception is dueling dragons because those are dueling. Chang and Iron Wolf aren't going to be dueling.

 

How exactly are Iron Wolf and Chang the same? Just because they are both stand ups that doesn't make them

the same ride.

[Jerrykoala2112]

Well then how come SFGADV doesn't have 2 floorless coasters? Why not Six Flags Magic Mountain get another B&M invert?? Why doesn't Six Flags Over Georgia get a new hyper?

[monsterfan99]

^ Because cause of the sheer cost of a B&M.

 

Comparing Iron Wolf to Chang is the same as comparing an Arrow Looper with a B&M one.

[Reality15]

What does that have to do with his argument? They're two different rides. Sure, they're both stand-ups, but they have completely different layouts, different inversions, and even different trains (Chang has the newer design)... you're trying to make it sound like they're adding two of the exact same ride.

 

For that matter, Knoebel's has two wooden coasters (Phoenix/Twister)... Geauga Lake had two inverted coasters (Steel Venom/Thunderhawk)... Kings Island at one point had two family suspended coasters (Reptar/Ghoster Coaster)...

 

You don't see the same 2 inverts, floorlesses, or stand ups or dives because that is not how it works.

"That's how it works"? Really? Since when did you make the decisions on what rides parks have in their lineup? Sure, it's uncommon, but it does happen.

 

The GP doesn't care, they don't see the details like RCDB loving enthusiasts do. Heck, when they put in Thunderhawk up here at Michigan's Adventure everyone was ecstatic and thought it was a great "new" coaster. They didn't know it had been running since 1998 at another park in Ohio. Heck, some people think it's the same as our 1979 Corkscrew across the lake!

 

The point that deathbydinn and myself are trying to make is that these are two very different rides. While they both use stand-up trains, they are completely different in many other aspects. And, let's be honest, if the GP doesn't have a problem with two mouse coasters within 100 yards of each other (Ragin' Cajun and Dark Knight), they're not going to have a problem with Iron Wolf and Chang in the same park.

[deathbydinn]

You don't see the same 2 inverts, floorlesses, or stand ups or dives because that is not how it works. Exception is dueling dragons because those are dueling. Chang and Iron Wolf aren't going to be dueling.

 

SAME is the keyword. If a park got two of the same coasters like Animal Kingdom people might think its weird but it would speed up the line. If they're DIFFERENT rides people aren't going to make a big deal out of it. Would you really be mad if Great Adventure got a new, big floorless coaster, or if SFMM got a new, big B&M invert or if SFOG got a new, big hyper coaster. If you say parks can only have one of each type of coaster say goodbye to one track of each racing coaster, SFMM would only have one reverse drop tower, Animal Kingdom would lose one Primeval Whirl and Magic Kingdom would lose one side of Space Mountain and the list goes on. It's okay to have two stand-up coasters. It's also good for people who aren't ready for the big rides. If they're not sure about Chang because its stand up, Iron Wolf is smaller so they would be able to get the stand up experience. The only people who would really be mad about us getting Chang is the people in Kentucky. How many of you would be really mad if we lost the space shuttle and go-karts for Chang?

[deathbydinn]

Reality15 basically said what I did but got his in first. I'm still leaving mine beacause it has some good points. It is really worth getting mad over this if we don't even know if we're getting it or not?

[cycamps]

Wouldn't it be possible to get floorless trains perhaps for the Chang track instead of leaving it stand-up? It doesn't necessarily have to be the same.

[atem122]

^This has been discussed many times, it's not really possible as it would screw up the ride's "heartline," plus, the weight of the trains would differ creating different speeds through the layout

 

v I beat Themeparkman to it!

[themeparkman25]

^^That was brought up earlier and it was decided that theoretically yes you could put a different train style on a track, but the biggest issue with this situation is the heartline. Being a stand up coaster, the heartline is placed well above that of a sit down looper, which would put funky/unusual forces on people, trains and track. It is pretty unlikely though that that would happen, as is the move of chang.

 

^Atem beat me to it!

[Airtime&Gravity]

While I'll gladly take Chang over Iron Wolf, I still have my doubts that it'll end up at Great America. I think Great Adventure would be a much better home for it. They have the room, and they don't have a stand-up coaster (although they used to). Also, Great Adventure sounds a lot like Great America, so maybe whoever claimed it is going to Great America got the parks mixed up. Then again, with La Ronde getting a SLC to go along with the Batman clone, anything is possible.

 

Airtime - who didn't believe Chang would leave SFKK - &Gravity