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My theory is that they know it's a very popular coaster, and would attract a lot of enthusiasts, and that means money. That or they know they can't destroy it because of the history behind it, so they have to move it somewhere, and maybe Cedar Point is the best place to move it, I don't know.

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My theory is that they know it's a very popular coaster, and would attract a lot of enthusiasts, and that means money.

 

Enthusiast make up less than 1% of the people who pay to go to amusement parks, that makes no sense from a business point of view. Plus, any new coaster would attract a lot of enthusiasts AND the other 99% of the coaster riding market, so I don't really get why (CP of all places) would rescue an old wood coaster.

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My theory is that they know it's a very popular coaster, and would attract a lot of enthusiasts, and that means money.

 

Enthusiast make up less than 1% of the people who pay to go to amusement parks, that makes no sense from a business point of view. Plus, any new coaster would attract a lot of enthusiasts AND the other 99% of the coaster riding market, so I don't really get why (CP of all places) would rescue an old wood coaster.

 

Enthusiasts meaning Big Dipper and Geauga Lake enthusiasts. Everyone who used to go to Geauga Lake and enjoyed it will come to Cedar Point to do so. They'll then pass it on to relatives, friends, etc. saying that the fun coaster they used to ride at Geauga Lake has been moved to Cedar Point. It might be a way of winning over everyone that used to only go to Geauga Lake all the time, but not Cedar Point.

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^That makes more sense than how I was reading into it initially, but I still don't think that group of people make up a large enough part of the market to justify adding an old coaster and probably having to remove pre-existing rides in the process. I guess we'll see though, but I would be extremely surprised if this is true.

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^It seems like a lot of CF parks need a good woodie. Valleyfair! is the only consistently great woodie I can think of in the chain (though its barely a year old), with acknowledgments to Beast, Ghostrider, Shivering Timbers, and Blue Streak for coming close. I haven't heard anything about Timber Wolf. Now, how many of those parks could use an 80-yr-old woodie over a new GCI? Dunno. I'm just gonna wait and see if there is an official announcement.

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Here is what "PREMiERdrum" got from Richard Munch, word for word. He also said that the document was sent to the Cleveland stations as well, but none of the other Columbus stations, nor Toledo.

 

I told you I would let you know of any news on Geauga – I have an update on the Geauga Lake property. We got word over the weekend that Cedar Fair was preparing for a press conference at Geauga Lake this Wednesday (tomorrow). That was called off and now it will be presented as a simple press release. At this time, we anticipate that they will announce that they will be moving the Big Dipper from Geauga Lake to Cedar Point! We are totally flabbergasted.

 

It appears that this is a knee jerk reaction to all the negative press they have received since they closed the amusement park side of the lake in September. After all, why make this announcement just after accepting sealed bids on the property May 23rd? It doesen’t seem logical, but not much has made sense since the closing.

 

The short of it is they initially tried to sell the Big Dipper (and two other coasters on property) and there was little interest. Please note the emphasis on the word move. There has never been a discussion to keep the ride intact on site. It is very clear that they do not want to leave the ride intact, as part of any mixed use development, which would be the preference. We do not know why they had such a distaste for Geauga Lake, but they are certainly doing a great job annihilating it. The press release will most likely include some type of “we are saving the ride and we are preservationists.” Nothing may be further from the truth, but they will rely on that angle to make this work to the press.

 

For many this is a solution that appears reasonable, but will be the death of the park. That may be what they wanted all along and they finally figured out a way to get the goal, without looking too terrible. I can not anticipate what the public will think of this move. Personally I have mixed emotions because the ultimate goal is to preserve the Big Dipper. But I question if this is just a façade, as to whether they actually will ever rebuild the coaster. For instance, if it is not rebuilt immediately (for the 2009 season), it would be put in storage and provide numerous excuses over the next few years (i.e. rotted wood, no room, no budget, etc) as to why they haven’t rebuilt it. Meanwhile the (Geauga) Property will be developed and the story would simply go away. That is what I expect, although I have not seen the press release. If it’s eventually rebuilt, I believe it will never be the same. Additional safety devices and other updating will be required. The cars are historical – but they would probably go with lighter and more historical rolling stock. Meanwhile it could never compete with anything that Cedar Point operates. It does not fit into the context of the park. Cedar Point’s oldest ride is the Blue Streak – which was built in 1964 in response to both Euclid Beach’s Thriller and Geauga Lake’s Big Dipper (what we call an out-and-back coaster). The Big Dipper would be just a smaller Blue Streak. And it would never get respect, left as a reminder of the park they didn’t want, at an estimated $3-5M cost to move. It would probably be cheaper and easier to donate the land around the Dipper and save face at the same time. That would make them generous and truly preservationists. But that is not in the cards. This is a company that is looking to quickly lower its debt after purchasing the Paramount Parks chain in 2006, so it is not feeling very charitable, to say the lease.

 

It is unfortunate that this is the only solution they felt was worthy. Ironically, they may feel that the coaster was an obstacle for any development on the site, or that they might get a better sales price for the land, without the structures on the property. As you may know, I am working with a group of developers and investors with my architectural firm in Cleveland, to redevelop the park into a mixed-use complex. The Big Dipper, meanwhile has always been part of our plans, and the agents knew this, even as they attempted to sell it over the last four months. Maybe that was the giveaway? For our team, we always felt it was the focus of the redevelopment of the site – the signature attraction that bring the crowds back and returns some normalcy to Geauga Lake. The timing of the announcement is such that it may kill such a deal, which may be the true purpose. If it is a deal breaker for the development team we have lined up, then Cedar Fair has won the battle and we have truly lost the history. The park really needs to stay- even as a small facility. It gives continuation to a community that has grown up around it. Otherwise Cleveland will have lost its last major amusement park to corporate growth.

 

Only last week we discovered that Cedar Fair moved their May 15th Stockholders meeting from Sandusky to California. An insider suggested that the local environment is just too unstable (and full of local stockholders who want real answers to the Geauga lake mess) CEO Dick Kinzel thought he would be ambushed if the meeting was held in Ohio.By the way, Cedar Point’s new theme is “Families Rule at Cedar Point.”

 

The other Ohio park, Kings Island, also has a new premise for 2008: “Our theme this year is history, tradition and nostalgia,” said Don Helbig, Director of Public Relations. “We’re getting back to being a home-grown park. However guests arrive, they’re going to find changes, all of them aimed at restoring the park’s history.” The park opened in 1972. Geauga Lake dates back to the 1880’s. Which has a richer history? Ironically, this was the similar message when Cedar Fair purchased the Six Flags property and changed the name back to Geauga Lake Park in March 2004. Right now no one seems to care about the history, tradition or nostalgia of a little old park called Geauga Lake. Richard Munch

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The rumor mill is starting up again here in St. Louis.

 

Quote from fan six flags (who has be correct about the last two additions) on the sfstl.net boards.

HH-New attraction to celebrate 10th anniversary. Something major 2010 or 2011, in area behind and around the Empire Theatre.

 

I really hope Hurricane Harbor does get something new next year because it has not gotten anything since 05 and is very popular in the summer.

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Gotten word that Blazing Fury will be taken down for the 2009 season at Dollywood. Ride was supposed to be refreshed for this season but it was not, someone has also posted a video on youtube for RIP Blazing Fury, anyone else hear anything of this?

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Oh, man. If they get rid of that ride, surely a piece of my soul will die with it. Dollywood was my home park for the first 19 years of my life, and Blazing Fury is definitely one of my favorite rides of all time. Lame, I know, but it's a sentimental thing, ya'll.

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Internet rumors are useless, don't get too caught up in this. I don't know all that much about DW, but BF's sister at SDC is extremely popular, and I can't imagine the Herschends wanting to take out such a favorited attraction. How many rides does DW have that can dependably run in any weather? Unless there is some credible info on Blazing Fury being in some sort of unrepairable condition, I'm calling BS.

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it comes from a person in the area, who does work for a vendor in the park. saying its going to be a train station for the possible resort, to transport folks?? but I dont see how it would work?

 

They've got plenty of other places for a new train station. You'd think they would add it somewhere on the loop rather than extending the track.

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