Silver Dollar City (SDC) Discussion Thread

[coasterfreak101]

Hybrid sounds perfectly fine. Just like wood track, steel supports is a hybrid, so is this.

 

I'm still going to call it wooden though in passing...because it's essentially wooden with just a thicker steel plate than usual.

[Moose]

For all saying that this is a steel coaster because of the hollow steel rail is not supported by wood, I counter with this picture from earlier in the thread:

 

 

Most of the thickness of the track system is wood. I haven't run the numbers, but I am pretty confident that the wood adds significantly to the overall strength of the rail system. At what point does a wooden coaster become a steel coaster? If we add another layer of steel that is on top of the track on every wooden coaster, is it a wooden coaster still? What about three? Four? At what point does a wooden coaster become a hybrid?

[coasterfreak101]

^Which is why I'll just call it wooden if it's a choice between just wood and steel. Gemini, for example, is steel, the rails are actual steel rails on a wooden support structure. I suppose that makes NTAG a steel roller coaster too, since it's an all-steel track construction. But I kind of call it a wooden roller coaster for some unknown reason...personal preference? Maybe because it was originally a wooden coaster, so I still think of it as one?

 

This, however, is much more wood than steel, no contest. If all you're ranking rides on is the piece the wheels touch, then every wooden coaster is a big lie and is actually steel. This is either wooden or hybrid, depending on what you want to call it, but it is in no way steel. No more than any other wooden roller coaster out there.

[nieksanderman]

At what point?

Well, the term "Hybrid" means nothing more or less than the use of steel AND wood in the construction.

Until now, this has been done as follows:

1. Steel supports with a wooden track system (ultimate example: The Voyage, Holiday World).

2. Wooden supports with a steel track system (ultimate example: The New Texas Giant, Six Flags over Texas).

 

The Outlaw is actually kind of a third in this row, because is has steel ties, steel rails but with an extra layer of wood between them. However, the actual rail (which is made out of one piece!) and the ties are truly built of steel.

 

Therefore, I am convinced it should be known as a Hybrid Coaster (Wooden Supports).

 

Niek.

[simaticable]

Wouldn't Gemini at Cedar Point be considered a hybrid? It has steel track and a wooden support system.

[ernierocker]

 

The Outlaw is actually kind of a third in this row, because is has steel ties, steel rails but with an extra layer of wood between them.

 

So, I take the name of the ride has slipped or did I miss an announcement somewhere?

[coasterfreak101]

The name got slipped or trademarked or something along those lines a few weeks ago. Not confirmed though!

[Spacecoaster]

Hey folks, here in France, we are studying on the images, and we found that it might be a Zero G Roll...

 

 

Whatever we're not engineers, but we think with this piece on the ground we can suppose it will be a ZGR.

Edited June 26, 2012 by Spacecoaster

[Hilltopper39]

Can we just fast forward to 15 years from now when there are dozens of these hybrids in existence and we don't have to argue about it's classification on every new installation?

[nieksanderman]

Wouldn't Gemini at Cedar Point be considered a hybrid? It has steel track and a wooden support system.

 

Gemini IS considered a hybrid. Not unlike pretty much any other Arrow Minetrain.

 

 

Hey folks, here in France, we are studying on the images, and we found that it might be a Zero G Roll...

 

[image]

Whatever we're not engineers, but we think with this piece on the ground we can suppose it will be a ZGR.

 

I think it is very possible that we might see a Stengel-Dive-comparable element. A zero-G-roll could be possible, but is of course much more unlikely.

[coasterfreak101]

For now I think it's a lot more likely that it's just a really steep overbank/Stengel dive/whatever you wanna call it. But who knows with these guys - who saw the insanity of NTAG coming??

[Double0Kevin]

I'm still leaning toward Zero-G. If it was a Stengel in would be veering off to the left of the picture, but the footers indicate it will go to the right. Obviously I'm not 100% and it's very likely they are just going to do some crazy twist, but man a zero-g would be awesome.

[Shavethewhales]

Hey folks, here in France, we are studying on the images, and we found that it might be a Zero G Roll...

 

 

Whatever we're not engineers, but we think with this piece on the ground we can suppose it will be a ZGR.

 

Very interesting photo, I never saw the bent on the ground until now. That does seem to confirm the suspicion that this is a roll. I just don't see any way around it now. I've been poring over these photos for awhile now with considerable doubt, but I have not found any other way the track could go but upside down.

 

And yes, in the photos the footers veer off to the right. So it's drop, sharp upward lift to the left that levels off and goes into a roll to the RIGHT and then probably down through a curve to the left back towards where the whole thing began. So it's like an overbanked curve that gets interrupted by a roll... or something. It's VERY funky, I just hope it isn't rough.

[ernierocker]

Yeah, something about a Zero-G roll right there just seems wrong, kind of similar to the one that was removed from Maverick. These guys are already pushing the envelope and we have just seen the first couple of elements!

[coasterfreak101]

^If there's a roll at the top of that hill, I guarantee it'll work out much better than Maverick's 70-mile-per-hour death roll did! I'd say it looks less "wrong" in that sense, and more "wrong" in the sense that this is supposed to be a wooden roller coaster, and this is just crazy (roll or not)!

[Skycoastin Steve]

I'm not entirely sure what it's going to bet yet, but doesn't this..................

 

 

look like the top of a zero-g roll?

[coasterfreak101]

If that's the next piece, then there's still two options:

 

1) It's installed in the direction you're looking at the picture from, continuing the roll.

2) It's flipped and installed the opposite way, serving as the exit from the overbank.

 

Seriously, this ride is the best - so much mystery! Much more exciting than had they told us everything already.

[larrygator]

Can we just fast forward to 15 years from now when there are dozens of these hybrids in existence and we don't have to argue about it's classification on every new installation?

 

A have a feeling coaster dorks will always find something to argue about.

[cfc]

Aw, I still think they're just building the world's largest kettle corn stand.

[BeemerBoy]

I think the wood is too brown.

[Moose]

Aw, I still think they're just building the world's largest kettle corn stand.

 

I would be all for that; SDC has the best food!

[alpengeist04]

I'm still leaning toward Zero-G.

 

...OTSRs anyone?

 

 

 

I couldn't resist.

[jarmor]

I think the wood is too brown.

but...but...its not wood, its a hybrid!

[RoCo]

If this ride turns out to include a zero-g roll, on top of that completely mental first drop, I might have to relocate back to Missouri. And I HATED Missouri.

[gisco]

Can we just fast forward to 15 years from now when there are dozens of these hybrids in existence and we don't have to argue about it's classification on every new installation?

 

A have a feeling coaster dorks will always find something to argue about.

 

Will not!