Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

[downunder]

@_s3_ thanks for that. I was aware LSMs were less power hungry than LIMs, but not to what degree. I've heard crazy things about LIMs like every ride cycle of Wicked Twister cost $50 in electricity - I'd love to know if that's true - if you extrapolate that into a seasonal cost, it's a hell of a lot for a non-marquee ride. And I've also heard if they ran both sides of Chiller at GAdv at the same time, it could take out the grid lol.

I'm sure Cedar Fair would have done a business/cost benefit case for a large piece of capital expenditure like this with operating costs being one component.

I'm sceptical it will go all the way up the spike, but I guess we'll see next year. Will be fun if it does, still fun if it doesn't. 

[prozach626]

On 8/4/2023 at 10:57 AM, _s3_ said:

LSMs by nature consume a lot less energy than LIMs do, as they only generate the necessary magnetic current needed relative to the trains speed via the stators which react with the permanent magnets mounted on the trains themselves.

LIMs on the other hand use the magnets externally mounted on the track and send a constant current needed for the "ideal" speed, and the trains themselves don't have magnets, but metal fins that react to the magnets on the track. LIMs are extremely inefficient, energy wise, and also generate a massive amount of heat which requires additional systems (fans or other) to cool down the LIMs.

LSM development has pretty much put LIMs into extinction, for good reason. 

Due to the removal of WT and TTD, which required a very large power draw to run the hydraulics, and only adding a larger LSM system, I would assume that the overall energy draw will be significantly less.

Side note, it wasn't until yesterday that I realized Intamin offers a new-age Impulse coaster using their new track style and LSMs. The only example of this is an upscaled, new-era WT clone: Legendary Twin Dragon in China

But, they don't sound as cool. Like a 4 cylinder Mustang vs. v8 Coyote.....

Dead serious.

[Haymaker]

7 hours ago, downunder said:

@_s3_ thanks for that. I was aware LSMs were less power hungry than LIMs, but not to what degree. I've heard crazy things about LIMs like every ride cycle of Wicked Twister cost $50 in electricity - I'd love to know if that's true - if you extrapolate that into a seasonal cost, it's a hell of a lot for a non-marquee ride. And I've also heard if they ran both sides of Chiller at GAdv at the same time, it could take out the grid lol.

I'm sure Cedar Fair would have done a business/cost benefit case for a large piece of capital expenditure like this with operating costs being one component.

I'm sceptical it will go all the way up the spike, but I guess we'll see next year. Will be fun if it does, still fun if it doesn't. 

The power draw for Incredible Hulk is/was so large it couldve caused brownouts. They added generators to compensate.

[AmyUD06]

2 hours ago, Haymaker said:

The power draw for Incredible Hulk is/was so large it couldve caused brownouts. They added generators to compensate.

And Hulk doesn't use LIMs or LSMs for it's launch, so is not relevant to this discussion.

[Haymaker]

10 hours ago, AmyUD06 said:

And Hulk doesn't use LIMs or LSMs for it's launch, so is not relevant to this discussion.

Thanks for your opinion

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[coasternut]

Magnum was closed all day today. Not sure if this had anything to do with the evac a few days ago.

[coasternut]

I found out more on the Magnum closure today. Not sure the accuracy of this source, but here it is.  The lift motor was blown. This will take awhile to replace. Looks like no rides on Maggie for me.

[prozach626]

Even worse, the motor on my garage is blown. No sympathy.

[coasternut]

^^ Looks like Magnum is open today. Of course I'm gone. Must not have been too bad of an issue...

[prozach626]

My garage opener has also been fixed.

[Doppel Looping]

1 hour ago, prozach626 said:

My garage opener has also been fixed.

Does your car have upstop wheels or just skid pads?

 

[prozach626]

Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, so skid pads.

It's a WRX, so it feels like it's on rails. (I wish)

[coasternut]

Their third webcam is now pointed at TT2. You can see some crane action... They're also occasionally running Millennium Force while the park is closed.

[AmyUD06]

So I'm probably out of the loop here, only making my first trips to CF parks this year in the past few weeks, but when did CP relax their rain policy?  Maverick, Valravn, Raptor, Wild Mouse, Blue Streak... even Magnum, all running in light rain. 

[coasternut]

^ That's just happened recently. I'm guessing only 1 train ops? Probably just a Halloweekends thing. I've not experienced that this year.

[AmyUD06]

2 hours ago, coasternut said:

^ That's just happened recently. I'm guessing only 1 train ops? Probably just a Halloweekends thing. I've not experienced that this year.

Many coasters were running multiple trains. Only one on Magnum though haha. 

[coasternut]

Glad to hear of their change of heart. I'll be there next weekend...

[AmyUD06]

27 minutes ago, coasternut said:

Glad to hear of their change of heart. I'll be there next weekend...

Yeah I was impressed. Note that if it's even slightly raining and you're coming for haunt stuff, the only things that will happen are indoor mazes or shows.  Everything outdoors, including roving scare actors and shows, do not happen in the rain. 

[coasternut]

^ I don't go for the haunt stuff. I'm there for the coasters....

[AmyUD06]

4 hours ago, coasternut said:

^ I don't go for the haunt stuff. I'm there for the coasters....

LOL, I was just sayin'.

[coasternut]

Here is the link to the reveal for the new TT2 trains with Tony and Zamperla from Cedar Point at IAAPA. Nothing was said about the lighting package in the video. I hope it has it too...

 

 

[MartinU]

I'm not seeing any seatbelts... will they be added later or not at all? No way they get away without having them... right? (Oh how no seatbelts would speed up the dispatch times). 

[michaellynn4]

Nope, no seatbelts!!

[DoinItForTheFame]

No seatbelts is a huge plus to me! So excited for TT2! 

[prozach626]

6 hours ago, MartinU said:

I'm not seeing any seatbelts... will they be added later or not at all? No way they get away without having them... right? (Oh how no seatbelts would speed up the dispatch times). 

They will be added after the first time an overweight guest posts a viral TikTok video of not hearing their restraint "click" so they "thought they were going to die and experienced 'trauma" because they believed the restraint wasn't locked since the ride isn't "accommodating large guests."

That, or they just weren't installed when they showcased the train.