DrachenfireOP Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 ^ Very possible, and I wouldn't read TOO much into this because it's a different park, but I seem to recall DF and Alpengeist track arriving around early September. I don't really recall Apollo, but I'm pretty sure they started pouring footers well after DF closed, but Griffon stuff started showing up around late July. (IIRC, Le Mans closed either at the very end of June, or the first week of July, and they started site prep and footers almost immediately after. The first supports and track arrived way earlier than any of BGWs previous coasters, and the construction was finished later than most. Drachen Fire's opening day was April 4. Alpengeist was March 22. Apollo was March 30. Griffon was May 18 despite an earlier-than-normal construction start time. Again, this is a different park, many years later, and any number of things could have led to Griffon being a larger, longer project, but just from this experience, I believe dive machines really just have a lot more to them from a physical labor and testing side of things. They put a LOT more strain on the structure than smaller coasters. Edit - Just editing to say that, because we have no pictures, I'm going to go ahead and assume the mythical supports don't exist. Someone else would have noticed by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImNotOneOfYou Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Was there complaining like this when El Toro was announced? I went back in the thread and I don't understand some of the things people are saying. At least I didn't see anyone concerned about the heartline of a dive coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyRCT3 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Was there complaining like this when El Toro was announced? I went back in the thread and I don't understand some of the things people are saying. At least I didn't see anyone concerned about the heartline of a dive coaster. It's much like that of a Wing Coaster. The rotation of the trains, especially on Immelmann's are compensated by the slow speed. This causes brief zero-g's at the apex of the inversion, as the train rotates out of the element to reduce the amount of lateral gravitational forces. The same thing happens with GateKeeper's immelmann, it exits the element slower than other B&M models with Immelmann's to compensate for the lateral forces. Basically, the only problems the Hartline presents on these types of coasters in the roll rate. Note: People complain about Wing coasters being forceless/slow through the inversions, yet they don't know that if they were to have that "force" they'd have a broken neck. I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeysWaffles Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 So if you've seen the video for Kentucky Kingdom's new coaster Storm Chaser, you see that they've made an entirely new wooden coaster using the preexisting wooden structure. RMC should do the same to Mean Streak instead of converting it into a steel coaster. Otherwise, CP would only have one tiny woodie and two hybrids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwgator Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 ^Actually....the structure is steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsencarson Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I say tear down Mean Streak and replace it with a record breaking GCI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenbowl Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 So if you've seen the video for Kentucky Kingdom's new coaster Storm Chaser, you see that they've made an entirely new wooden coaster using the preexisting wooden structure. RMC should do the same to Mean Streak instead of converting it into a steel coaster. Otherwise, CP would only have one tiny woodie and two hybrids. Actually, I don't believe a single part of Storm Chaser is going to be wood anymore, steel track and steel supports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB305 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Was there complaining like this when El Toro was announced? I went back in the thread and I don't understand some of the things people are saying. At least I didn't see anyone concerned about the heartline of a dive coaster. It's much like that of a Wing Coaster. The rotation of the trains, especially on Immelmann's are compensated by the slow speed. This causes brief zero-g's at the apex of the inversion, as the train rotates out of the element to reduce the amount of lateral gravitational forces. The same thing happens with GateKeeper's immelmann, it exits the element slower than other B&M models with Immelmann's to compensate for the lateral forces. Basically, the only problems the Hartline presents on these types of coasters in the roll rate. Note: People complain about Wing coasters being forceless/slow through the inversions, yet they don't know that if they were to have that "force" they'd have a broken neck. I rest my case. Thank you, this is an awesome post, I laughed when I read that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMarkSta Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Storm Chaser is an IBox coaster, not Topper Track. Even though the video shows a wooden track it is a No Limits simulation not a custom CGI creation that bigger parks tend to make for their new rides. It's only a rendering not indicative of the final product. The official press release gives all the important info, go check out the Kentucky Kingdom thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyRCT3 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I say tear down Mean Streak and replace it with a record breaking GCI. If Cedar Point had RMC transform Mean Streak this way, it would allow for both a new coaster and land for future expansion. Two birds with one stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XShortestStrawX Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I say tear down Mean Streak and replace it with a record breaking GCI. If Cedar Point had RMC transform Mean Streak this way, it would allow for both a new coaster and land for future expansion. Two birds with one stone. I like that idea. Anything to open up land without removing a ride completely is good for Cedar Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB305 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 #VALRAVN2016 This is just NL2 and some Photoshop... don't kill me please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomPoster32 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Your logo sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB305 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Your logo sucks Yeah, like I'm gonna spend 3 hours in PS creating a super realistic logo. I mainly created that so you guys could see what I think Valravn could look like! I think a dive machine with this layout would be awesome, can't wait for the real one to be announced!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XShortestStrawX Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Just wait. Someone will stumble across it and spread it all over social media as the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillrider Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Just wait. Someone will stumble across it and spread it all over social media as the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillrider Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Just wait. Someone will stumble across it and spread it all over social media as the real thing. I should post a small portion of this on facebook just to toy with people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projektion Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I had to do a double take at first since it looked like it could have been one of the ride renders, then I noticed it was NL2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koasterking48 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Not to take this topic too far off track, but have Sunday's this summer been just as busy as Saturday's? I'm heading up to the Point for one day and want to make sure that when I purchase FL+, the lines are long enough to justify buying it! @TB305, I like the layout you had in that "rendering." What are the stats in your version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyknottsville Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 If that was real that layout would be awesome!!! Also those colors look great once the coaster is assembled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedarFair1 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 #VALRAVN2016 This is just NL2 and some Photoshop... don't kill me please you sir built a beautiful coaster, ignore the hater about the logo he's just jelous cause is NL2 coasters look like Cedar Fair Wooden coasters wobbly and dismembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nwstone Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Damn, I hope the real thing is like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB305 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Not to take this topic too far off track, but have Sunday's this summer been just as busy as Saturday's? I'm heading up to the Point for one day and want to make sure that when I purchase FL+, the lines are long enough to justify buying it! @TB305, I like the layout you had in that "rendering." What are the stats in your version? Max Height: 263 feet tall Length: 5,290 feet long Max speed: I'll get back to you, doing some reprofiling of the pullout. Also, speak of the devil, as of now 2 Instagram pages have posted it. I am sorry to all who will be disappointed by the real layout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassinthegrass Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 You want to give us some stats on your fake ride? Looks like a perfect fit for CP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 #VALRAVN2016 This is just NL2 and some Photoshop... don't kill me please I personally think that looks great. I would love it if Cedar Point were to have a similar layout to what you came up with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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