Valleyfair (VF) Discussion Thread

[garyman6]

I was their sat and i would like to say 1st off wow it was crazy busy.....but with that sorry to burst every ones bubble.but their will be no new coaster next year. its a water park expansion basically a complete overhaul. imax area is getting slides. hydro,subway, and dinning patio say bye bye..more stuff going their but dont know what yet.. those areas will make soak city up. which i do have to say we need it bad.....but then again we also need a new coaster too. hopefully 2016 will be our year for our new invert...which im guessing will be in the cork area since thats going bye bye too...opens up alot of space for a nice raptor clone .....

No one on this forum has made an argument that a new coaster is coming next year. I believe 2016 is our year for a B&M coaster. As for where to put it, well let's just remember where Mr. Frazier was GM before VF. Nick U! If you have been to Nick U, you will notice how they have managed to fit an amazing array of good quality attractions into a 7 acre park. With that in mind, a new B&M coaster could be put into a lot of areas. It would simply have to weave in and out and around other attractions and over the midway's and walking paths. Mr. Frazier told me directly, when I asked him about Corkscrew, that it was not going anywhere anytime soon. Why would VF give up their only coaster with inverts just to put in a new one. I'm not so sure Excalibur is going anywhere either. Mr. Frazier told me he does not want to loose any coasters. You could place the station for a new B&M north of Mad Mouse and have it weave around Renegade, Thunder Canyon and Excalibur. You could place the station north of High Roller and use the old Picnic point area. Think OUTSIDE the box on this people! One more comment on a coaster, WE DO NOT WANT A CLONE! We want something unique!

As for the waterpark, well, the writings on the wall. The only thing to speculate on is how big are they going to go! All signs point to a massive makeover, not just adding a new slide package. My prediction for next year is that we will not recognize our old outdated Soak City. I believe we will see a newly branded waterpark with a new entrance and a LOT more to offer.

[valleyfairfanatic]

This is kinda off the topic about a new coaster but its also good news. Since I've started working at vf I noticed it has got ALOT more attendance. Last year if you went on a weekday in the summer it would be walk on lines all day. I don't know what triggered it but now almost every day there is 30-45 minute lines

[RCjunkie]

As for where to put it, well let's just remember where Mr. Frazier was GM before VF. Nick U! If you have been to Nick U, you will notice how they have managed to fit an amazing array of good quality attractions into a 7 acre park. With that in mind, a new B&M coaster could be put into a lot of areas. It would simply have to weave in and out and around other attractions and over the midway's and walking paths. Mr. Frazier told me directly, when I asked him about Corkscrew, that it was not going anywhere anytime soon. Why would VF give up their only coaster with inverts just to put in a new one. I'm not so sure Excalibur is going anywhere either. Mr. Frazier told me he does not want to loose any coasters. You could place the station for a new B&M north of Mad Mouse and have it weave around Renegade, Thunder Canyon and Excalibur. You could place the station north of High Roller and use the old Picnic point area. Think OUTSIDE the box on this people!

 

As good as a job that NU did in locating and adding new rides when Mr. Frazier was there he never had to put in a 3000+ ft. coaster. If the park does not put the next coaster north of High Roller then they will have to remove or move something to fit it in. The idea of wrapping a coaster around existing rides is great but it adds more cost to the ride and I would just rather see that money spent on the coaster instead of extra supports or re-doing walk ways to accommodate a new coaster. I still think they will remove an existing coaster before they add a new one but we shall see.

[RCjunkie]

This is kinda off the topic about a new coaster but its also good news. Since I've started working at vf I noticed it has got ALOT more attendance. Last year if you went on a weekday in the summer it would be walk on lines all day. I don't know what triggered it but now almost every day there is 30-45 minute lines

 

That is good news for the park and fans like us because more attendance leads to new attractions. They have been doing a lot more advertising this year compared to other years especially on TV locally so maybe that has something to do with it. Or maybe it's the return of the Antique Auto's.

[VF15]

As for where to put it, well let's just remember where Mr. Frazier was GM before VF. Nick U! If you have been to Nick U, you will notice how they have managed to fit an amazing array of good quality attractions into a 7 acre park. With that in mind, a new B&M coaster could be put into a lot of areas. It would simply have to weave in and out and around other attractions and over the midway's and walking paths. Mr. Frazier told me directly, when I asked him about Corkscrew, that it was not going anywhere anytime soon. Why would VF give up their only coaster with inverts just to put in a new one. I'm not so sure Excalibur is going anywhere either. Mr. Frazier told me he does not want to loose any coasters. You could place the station for a new B&M north of Mad Mouse and have it weave around Renegade, Thunder Canyon and Excalibur. You could place the station north of High Roller and use the old Picnic point area. Think OUTSIDE the box on this people!

 

As good as a job that NU did in locating and adding new rides when Mr. Frazier was there he never had to put in a 3000+ ft. coaster. If the park does not put the next coaster north of High Roller then they will have to remove or move something to fit it in. The idea of wrapping a coaster around existing rides is great but it adds more cost to the ride and I would just rather see that money spent on the coaster instead of extra supports or re-doing walk ways to accommodate a new coaster. I still think they will remove an existing coaster before they add a new one but we shall see.

 

Agreed. I'd love to see a coaster that interacts with the people on the midways, but if it's going to cost the park more, then I wouldn't expect it to happen. Plus, if it ends up being a B&M invert, they would have to put nets under parts of the ride where loose articles will commonly fall out, and not only would nets cost even more money, but they are an eyesore to look at (anyone that has ridden Manta at SeaWorld Orlando probably knows what I mean).

 

On another note, this new article from Valleyfairzone is another reason why I'm starting to get annoyed with that site: http://valleyfairzone.com/2014/07/27/fanboy-utterly-convinced-cars-land-attraction-coming-in-2015/#comments

[Vffreak07]

For what it's worth, there actually are markings in the parking lot.....

[CaptainUnknown]

Agreed. I'd love to see a coaster that interacts with the people on the midways, but if it's going to cost the park more, then I wouldn't expect it to happen. Plus, if it ends up being a B&M invert, they would have to put nets under parts of the ride where loose articles will commonly fall out, and not only would nets cost even more money, but they are an eyesore to look at (anyone that has ridden Manta at SeaWorld Orlando probably knows what I mean).

 

The coaster is very beautiful, but you're right about the nets. But I can only really remember nets under the lift hill (for obvious reasons)

[thrillseeker4552]

^Silver Bullet at KBF passes over the midways quite a few times and doesn't have nets. I'd imagine CF would do the same for Valleyfair, assuming they one day get a a coaster that interacts with the midways.

[ChevyExtrem28]

were did i hear about cork being removed..umm i don't know if anyone has been keeping up track, but a while back their was an article online saying every cedar fair park will be removing an arrow coaster. in addition something that people don't know, is cork is on a life expancy. its deadline would be the 2016/2017 season.plus didn't arrow go bankrupt .. how will they get new parts?? their for that is where i believe the new coaster will go..lots of space for our invert. only if DAVE liked B&Ms ....so fan boys if its not a B&M don't get mad...we always could start a petition...dave likes intamin....i wouldn't be surpised if its a maverick..which would be AMAZING.another perfect location for the invert would be the amphitheater tons of room their.. or we could wait 10 years when dinos lease goes up and put it their. great visual. guess we will have to see. time will tell...

[XYZ]

Agreed. I'd love to see a coaster that interacts with the people on the midways, but if it's going to cost the park more, then I wouldn't expect it to happen. Plus, if it ends up being a B&M invert, they would have to put nets under parts of the ride where loose articles will commonly fall out, and not only would nets cost even more money, but they are an eyesore to look at (anyone that has ridden Manta at SeaWorld Orlando probably knows what I mean).

 

The coaster is very beautiful, but you're right about the nets. But I can only really remember nets under the lift hill (for obvious reasons)

 

...or you can be like Tatsu (SFMM). No nets under the lift hill. YOLO!

[valleyfairfanatic]

were did i hear about cork being removed..umm i don't know if anyone has been keeping up track, but a while back their was an article online saying every cedar fair park will be removing an arrow coaster. in addition something that people don't know, is cork is on a life expancy. its deadline would be the 2016/2017 season.plus didn't arrow go bankrupt .. how will they get new parts?? their for that is where i believe the new coaster will go..lots of space for our invert. only if DAVE liked B&Ms ....so fan boys if its not a B&M don't get mad...we always could start a petition...dave likes intamin....i wouldn't be surpised if its a maverick..which would be AMAZING.another perfect location for the invert would be the amphitheater tons of room their.. or we could wait 10 years when dinos lease goes up and put it their. great visual. guess we will have to see. time will tell...

 

I highly disagree with that statement for multiple reasons. 1. Just because arrow is bankrupt doesn't mean the coasters can't get parks, besides if parts weren't available when arrow went under, there would be no arrow coasters left. 2. Just because there is an article doesn't mean its true, that would be very stupid on cedar fair's part because they would be taking out multitudes of coaster which would put them out of ALOT of money. 3. The dinos lot has a lease until 2019 by the way. 4. How does Mr.Frazier like intamin!? He hasn't even built an intamin coaster at vf, he just started 2 years ago. after steel venom was built

[RCjunkie]

were did i hear about cork being removed..umm i don't know if anyone has been keeping up track, but a while back their was an article online saying every cedar fair park will be removing an arrow coaster. in addition something that people don't know, is cork is on a life expancy. its deadline would be the 2016/2017 season.plus didn't arrow go bankrupt .. how will they get new parts?? their for that is where i believe the new coaster will go..lots of space for our invert. only if DAVE liked B&Ms ....so fan boys if its not a B&M don't get mad...we always could start a petition...dave likes intamin....i wouldn't be surpised if its a maverick..which would be AMAZING.another perfect location for the invert would be the amphitheater tons of room their.. or we could wait 10 years when dinos lease goes up and put it their. great visual. guess we will have to see. time will tell...

 

You might want to put down the pipe for a little while. Just because there was an article speculating on removing old Arrow coasters from CF parks does not mean it will happen just yet. Until we see older Corkscrews at CP and MiA get removed VF's is probably safe, plus they just repainted the thing 3 years ago. Arrow did go bankrupt and then became Arrow-Huss in 1981 and then that company went down in 1986 so where have they been getting parts all this time to keep it running? Life Expectancy at 2016 or 2017? What manufacturer puts a life expectancy at 36 or 37 years? 35, 40, 45 years maybe but not an odd number like that. And like valleyfairfanatic wrote, GM Dave has NEVER even installed an Intamin in any park so how do you know he likes them over a B&M? CF has not bought an Intamin in 3 years yet you have them purchasing one of the most expensive ones (Maverick) for their 2nd smallest park? I just don't see it but would be ecstatic if it did happen because it is my favorite steel coaster . Plus VF already has an Intamin and is one of only 2 parks in the chain without a B&M ride so if they go with a major manufacturer all signs point to a B&M (even though an S&S or Mack works for me too. ). And why would you want to remove CS when it is still way more popular than Excalibur? You want to remove your least favorite attractions first if you are removing anything. I do agree with you that if the amphitheater is removed it will provide great space to work with especially if you relocate Enterprise also. That area could be made real exciting with a new coaster or a couple of good flat rides.

Edited July 30, 2014 by RCjunkie

[VF15]

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Exactly. Just because one article rumors it does not mean that it will happen. Besides, Corkscrew is my fourth favorite coaster at Valleyfair (behind Renegade, WT, and SV), so I'd be a little disappointed if it was removed.

[madsecar]

^^ I agree. And, If Corkscrew was removed, It wouldn't open up an insane amount of room. I don't think I b&m invert would even fit in corkscrews plot of land.

[RCjunkie]

Got this link from the KBF discussion thread, it is an interview with Cedar Fair CEO Matt Quimet and just wanted to make sure VF enthusiast saw it if they wanted to read it. It indicates he will hit all CF parks over the next few weeks so if you are at the park be on the look out for him and let us know if you see him. Then stalk him, see where he goes and what he looks at in the park and then tell him we need a new coaster asap after the water park expansion.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-hill/cedar-fair-ceo-matt-ouime_b_5628758.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

[CaptainUnknown]

We all know that a major Soak City expansion is our gift for next year, but how major will it be? As in:

1. How much will be spent on it

2. How Big will it be

3. With all the removals or rumors of such, how much more will leave

4. Who will it come from

5. When will the announcement be

[madsecar]

When Matt his VF, I really hope he realizes what is wrong with our park, and plans to fix them. We were stated that we will get significant growth, so maybe Matt has a plan for VF. A really exciting plan.

[Drbcoaster]

We all know that a major Soak City expansion is our gift for next year, but how major will it be? As in:

1. How much will be spent on it

2. How Big will it be

3. With all the removals or rumors of such, how much more will leave

4. Who will it come from

5. When will the announcement be

 

I'm gonna guess the Soak City expansion will be significant. The water park is really kind of sad, even compared to other local water parks. I think that the Panic Falls slide complex will be removed and replaced with a new slide complex. New slides will likely be added to the IMAX site. The Splash Station will be replaced. I think that Raging Rapids, Ripple Rapids, Hurricane Falls, and Breakers Bay will remain.

 

I also think there will be a new flat ride next year. It's just a hunch - with the newly opened spaces where the Tilter and the Scrambler used to be, I think a small to medium-sized flat ride to fill one of those spaces is likely. I'm also gonna guess that the announcement will be made sometime in late August, which is when most amusement parks announce their capital projects for the following year.

 

As far as the continued speculation as to when we get a new coaster, I agree with what most folks have been saying about 2016. Another reason that year is significant is that it marks Valleyfair's 40th Anniversary. Though nothing really huge went in for the park's 30th Anniversary (Xtreme Swing), the park's 20th Anniversary brought Wild Thing. I'm guessing we'll get a significant coaster addition. As to what type and where it's built, I have no clue.

[ChevyExtrem28]

all im saying is that i know dave.. and i have friends who work in the park ... their not dip and dots employees lets just say...like were you fan boys get your info from.. i bet you didnt know with the addition of possibly removing cork the wave would go with it too...so yes THAT will clear up tons of space for a coaster ...... and yes dave is a huge intamin fan he wanted to put a zac spin in the mall...and with no major attraction since hmmm 2007 we could afford a maverick. who where would like one???? i know for sure i would.. its amazing....and yes dinos is on a lease . i was just stating that it would clear up room for a coaster their also. it would make a great visual ie sliver bullet or talon...what ever happens happens time will tell..dont get mad if the invert is small non thrilling one like patriot....personally i want a afterburner clone.. now THAT looks sick!!! as for soak city expansion i want to see snake pit in imaxs spot. and were hydro was at what carowinds got. i fell that would round out our waterpark...i was told its going to be a huge OVER HAUL....

[xACEx]

I have been to Valleyfair a few times this week ridden High Roller notice in the old pinic cove there's some work going on with footers? What are they doing? Screamscape says rumor has that Valleyfair is going to do an entire make over of the water park for the 2015 season so I wouldn't expect Valleyfair getting a new roller coaster in 2015. 2016? B&M inverted coaster with a cobra roll in 2016. Screamscape is almost accurate with some of the rumors they post I can see a expansion for the water park in 2015. Also in front of the park they have lots of room in open grass areas to add some new flat rides how about adding in addition to the 2015 season. Add a new Lake Erie Eagles type of ride were scrambler use to sit would make a perfect spot for the ride and for Valleyfair and you could put a Calypso type of ride under the Wild Thing turn around there's room for one in that land space and were the old chaos use to be could put a maXair 140 feet since Valleyfair height restriction is the height of Power Tower. So Any new roller coaster could be as high as Power Tower since that is the highest point you can go. Some ideas. I've also heard from Valleyfair employees that they want to expand the park into the parking lot and move the parking lot out towards the Valleyfair housing area. They would have to raise the walk ways prevent from flood waters coming into the park like Steel Venom is raised from the parking lot. They could use the frontage road were the highway gates are make that road that leads to Valleyfair housing into the entrance take a right and move the parking lot into the grass area re pave the whole thing. Expansion ideas.

 

When would we see an announcement after Cedar Point?

[VF15]

A picture that Dave Frazier tweeted recently. This stuff looks like it's for what might be the permanent Haunt structure.

[RCjunkie]

all im saying is that i know dave.. and i have friends who work in the park ... their not dip and dots employees lets just say...like were you fan boys get your info from..

 

Please, it's not like your the only person who knows people who work at the park. I don't know someone as high on the corporate ladder like GM Dave but I know a couple of people who work there that are not just ride ops either......and I have known the Dip-n-Dots guy for years, we go way back.

 

i bet you didnt know with the addition of possibly removing cork the wave would go with it too...so yes THAT will clear up tons of space for a coaster ......

 

Yes, I have been hearing that from people who work at the park since they moved/removed the kiddie rides next to Corkscrew's entrance and exit queues during the Camp Snoopy addition in 2011. It left those three green spaces in a row on both sides of the entrance/exit queues and next to The Wave ride for even more space. With CS getting painted in the last 3 years and GM Dave telling garyman6 that it won't be going anywhere soon so this will not be the place the next coaster will go.

 

and yes dave is a huge intamin fan he wanted to put a zac spin in the mall...

That is great to know, hopefully someday he can get a full course Intamin ride at VF. I have never been on an Intamin coaster that I did not like.

 

and with no major attraction since hmmm 2007 we could afford a maverick. who where would like one???? i know for sure i would.. its amazing....and yes dinos is on a lease . i was just stating that it would clear up room for a coaster their also. it would make a great visual ie sliver bullet or talon...what ever happens happens time will tell..dont get mad if the invert is small non thrilling one like patriot....personally i want a afterburner clone.. now THAT looks sick!!!

 

You call others fanboys (and I admittedly am one), but I think you must be one of the the biggest fan boys if you think VF is going to get a Maverick like coaster. Maverick cost $21 million in 2007 and would cost $24,138,841.42 in 2014 when adjusted for inflation and would be even more expensive in 2016. Plus the added cost of removing CS and The Wave make that number go even higher. garyman6 knows GM Dave also and walked the park with him earlier this year and he told him that VF would not be getting a Banshee sized coaster which cost $24 million so based on that a Maverick type coaster is not happening either. Maverick is my favorite steel coaster and I would LOVE to have one at VF but only a hardcore fan boy would think that CF would put one of their flag ship coasters (or one like it) into their 2nd smallest park in the chain. The attendance and revenue would not support it from a return on investment standpoint for the corporate office.

 

as for soak city expansion i want to see snake pit in imaxs spot. and were hydro was at what carowinds got. i fell that would round out our waterpark...i was told its going to be a huge OVER HAUL....

 

From what my contacts tell me I am hearing the same thing. That combined with all the orange dots around the existing water park back that rumor up. I hear everything but the wave pool will go. But since no one can confirm what types of slides or slide packages are taking place of the existing ones I am still skeptical it is that big but still hoping it is true. It is great your friends with GM Dave, when you see him next time ask him if any coaster manufactures have visited the park this year to look at areas in the park. I am looking to confirm another piece of information that I heard.

Edited July 31, 2014 by RCjunkie

[madsecar]

^ What piece of information do you have to confirm..???

[xACEx]

So the longer Valleyfair waits to get a new coaster is the price just going to go up by 2016? Has B&M ever visited Valleyfair before? Does the park contact manufactures to come out or do they visit on there own offering to build a new ride or roller coaster? I would like there B&M inverted coaster to be 3100 to 3300 feet of track. 150 foot lift hill and least have a cobra roll and a strong helix at the end like Raptor at Cedar Point name it after a Minnesota bird?

[madsecar]

They will probably name our invert "The Loon" or something like that.