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The takeaway is that Disney these days lives and dies by those Fast Passes. If you can get good ones, you can get on some rides. If you miss out on them, expect to wait a lot longer in the stand-by.

This is absoultely NOT TRUE at all.

 

It is only true if you are not a smart theme park patron and you follow the sheep into every single long line without thinking or being strategic on how to maximize your FP+ options combined with the best times to get into a stand by line.

 

I cannot tell you how many times I've stood in the Flight of Passage standby line and it only took me 25 minutes to get on the ride because I was smart about when I chose to get in that line.

 

I can also tell you that I've been on attraction like Frozen, Toy Story Mania, Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, etc, in the MIDDLE OF THE DAY without a Fast Pass and only waited 20-40 minutes because you figure out when are peak periods for rides and not peak periods.

 

Also doing some smart second guessing as to when people are and are not booking Fast Passes comes into play as well.

 

It annoys me when people claim that you "HAVE to get a FastPass or you're not getting on the bigger rides" because that's completely false. I would hope that the people posting to these forums would know better.

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The takeaway is that Disney these days lives and dies by those Fast Passes. If you can get good ones, you can get on some rides. If you miss out on them, expect to wait a lot longer in the stand-by.

This is absoultely NOT TRUE at all.

 

It is only true if you are not a smart theme park patron and you follow the sheep into every single long line without thinking or being strategic on how to maximize your FP+ options combined with the best times to get into a stand by line.

 

I cannot tell you how many times I've stood in the Flight of Passage standby line and it only took me 25 minutes to get on the ride because I was smart about when I chose to get in that line.

 

I can also tell you that I've been on attraction like Frozen, Toy Story Mania, Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, etc, in the MIDDLE OF THE DAY without a Fast Pass and only waited 20-40 minutes because you figure out when are peak periods for rides and not peak periods.

 

Also doing some smart second guessing as to when people are and are not booking Fast Passes comes into play as well.

 

It annoys me when people claim that you "HAVE to get a FastPass or you're not getting on the bigger rides" because that's completely false. I would hope that the people posting to these forums would know better.

 

I apologize, I was speaking in hyperbole. I was just emphasizing that they're very helpful. What are some of your tips for the best ways to get short standby lines? I'm always down for advice.

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I apologize, I was speaking in hyperbole.

I get it. Just remember that not everyone is a mind reader so when you make your posts, if you're not being serious, and it isn't obvious to the reader, consider a different approach.

 

What are some of your tips for the best ways to get short standby lines? I'm always down for advice.

 

- Major rides at the end of the night. Flight of Passage is a great example of this. Get in line right as the park closes. My average wait on about 30 rides is maybe 40 minutes.

 

- Consider timing of other things going on and an attractions demographic. Example: I've had great luck with super short lines on Seven Dwarfs Mine Train right as the fireworks start. It may still say 70 minutes, but I don't think I've ever waited more than 30. Why? Because 1. the fireworks are going on and people are distracted with those. 2. It caters more towards smaller kids, many of which don't end up making it through the day and that is a FP that is often not used later in the evening. So while there are still a lot of FP "out there" on people's apps that they could be using, they seem to get forfeited because when they made those FP 60 days ago, they didn't take into consideration that their 5 year old might not make it until 9:00pm.

 

- Predicting the timing and patters of guests can be helpful. Example: at Epcot, almost EVERYONE goes to Frozen right when the park opens. I've seen the line for Frozen only be posted at 30-40 minutes about 2-3 hours after the park has opened because so many people have rushed to it first thing in the morning, they rode it, and then they moved on.

 

A lot of attractions will get their "2nd wave" at around noon to 1pm because those are the people who just couldn't get up in the morning to make it for rope drop! So sometimes there is this small window from about 11am - 12:30pm where you can luck out and get on some rides without much wait.

 

Those are just a few things off the top of my head...

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I apologize, I was speaking in hyperbole.

I get it. Just remember that not everyone is a mind reader so when you make your posts, if you're not being serious, and it isn't obvious to the reader, consider a different approach.

 

What are some of your tips for the best ways to get short standby lines? I'm always down for advice.

 

- Major rides at the end of the night. Flight of Passage is a great example of this. Get in line right as the park closes. My average wait on about 30 rides is maybe 40 minutes.

 

- Consider timing of other things going on and an attractions demographic. Example: I've had great luck with super short lines on Seven Dwarfs Mine Train right as the fireworks start. It may still say 70 minutes, but I don't think I've ever waited more than 30. Why? Because 1. the fireworks are going on and people are distracted with those. 2. It caters more towards smaller kids, many of which don't end up making it through the day and that is a FP that is often not used later in the evening. So while there are still a lot of FP "out there" on people's apps that they could be using, they seem to get forfeited because when they made those FP 60 days ago, they didn't take into consideration that their 5 year old might not make it until 9:00pm.

 

- Predicting the timing and patters of guests can be helpful. Example: at Epcot, almost EVERYONE goes to Frozen right when the park opens. I've seen the line for Frozen only be posted at 30-40 minutes about 2-3 hours after the park has opened because so many people have rushed to it first thing in the morning, they rode it, and then they moved on.

 

A lot of attractions will get their "2nd wave" at around noon to 1pm because those are the people who just couldn't get up in the morning to make it for rope drop! So sometimes there is this small window from about 11am - 12:30pm where you can luck out and get on some rides without much wait.

 

Those are just a few things off the top of my head...

 

Those are all interesting points. Thank you for the ideas. I've found that Disney is a whole other animal compared to other chains and strategy is everything. So I'm always looking for new pointers and things to learn. I've found that I can feel like I have the perfect plan, and show up and still get crushed with crowds sometimes. But luckily I live close enough that I can just leave if I'm not getting on what I want.

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I’m planning a trip to spend two days at two Disney parks and one day at universal studios & island of adventure. I am definitely going to magic kingdom, but I need advice for the second park. I want to go Hollywood studios for tower of terror and rock n’ rollercoaster. But animal kingdom seems like the better park. In addition, I will have a toddler with me. Any suggestions?

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^ Yes, have a second adult traveling with you, so you can "baby swap" on (maybe) some of those attractions, you mentioned. Otherwise, what the heck are you planning to do with "toddler" when you want to ride Tower of Terror? Take him/her along?

 

Don't think so.

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I’m planning a trip to spend two days at two Disney parks and one day at universal studios & island of adventure. I am definitely going to magic kingdom, but I need advice for the second park. I want to go Hollywood studios for tower of terror and rock n’ rollercoaster. But animal kingdom seems like the better park. In addition, I will have a toddler with me. Any suggestions?

What Bill said, if you have a second adult, you can do child swap (it's called Rider Switch) at both of the attractions you mentioned, as well as pretty much any other attraction that has a significant height restriction or "intensity" factor. Rock n' Roller Coaster, Tower of Terror, Space Mountain, Avatar Flight of Passage, the list goes on.

 

If you're going for a "nice, relaxing" experience Animal Kingdom is your best bet, there are plenty of walking tours to entertain you and your child. If often feels like the quietest park of the four.

 

If your child watches Disney Junior, there are plenty of opportunities for meet and greets within Hollywood Studios. EPCOT probably has the best selection of food on the resort.

 

EDIT: You really didn't have to post this three times. Once is enough.

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EDIT: You really didn't have to post this three times. Once is enough.

 

Agreed. The boards are busy enough that you already got answers in two threads. I got rid of the third.

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^I'm actually really happy Disneyland's is opening first. I feel like WDW will be watching super carefully and learning a ton and hopefully when this one opens it won't have as many 'growing pains'.

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The takeaway is that Disney these days lives and dies by those Fast Passes. If you can get good ones, you can get on some rides. If you miss out on them, expect to wait a lot longer in the stand-by.

This is absoultely NOT TRUE at all.

 

It is only true if you are not a smart theme park patron and you follow the sheep into every single long line without thinking or being strategic on how to maximize your FP+ options combined with the best times to get into a stand by line.

 

I cannot tell you how many times I've stood in the Flight of Passage standby line and it only took me 25 minutes to get on the ride because I was smart about when I chose to get in that line.

 

I can also tell you that I've been on attraction like Frozen, Toy Story Mania, Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, etc, in the MIDDLE OF THE DAY without a Fast Pass and only waited 20-40 minutes because you figure out when are peak periods for rides and not peak periods.

 

Also doing some smart second guessing as to when people are and are not booking Fast Passes comes into play as well.

 

It annoys me when people claim that you "HAVE to get a FastPass or you're not getting on the bigger rides" because that's completely false. I would hope that the people posting to these forums would know better.

 

I'm a little late to this party, but I just want to add that I just got back from doing a half days at both EPCOT and Animal Kingdom in the middle of the day and rode Flight of the Passage, Navi River ride, Expedition Everest, Spaceship Earth, Mission Space, and Soarin with only a fastpass for Expedition Everest...so....

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I'm a little late to this party, but I just want to add that I just got back from doing a half days at both EPCOT and Animal Kingdom in the middle of the day and rode Flight of the Passage, Navi River ride, Expedition Everest, Spaceship Earth, Mission Space, and Soarin with only a fastpass for Expedition Everest...so....

 

It is a Thursday in late February

 

But yeah, it's totally possible to have a perfectly good day anytime of the year without having any fastpasses before arriving. Might not be able to get on every single attraction you want exactly when you want to but you can have a perfectly good time.

 

I've done all of the major attractions in Epcot in like 5 hours with only a pass for test Track on a Saturday in June.

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I'm a little late to this party, but I just want to add that I just got back from doing a half days at both EPCOT and Animal Kingdom in the middle of the day and rode Flight of the Passage, Navi River ride, Expedition Everest, Spaceship Earth, Mission Space, and Soarin with only a fastpass for Expedition Everest...so....

 

It is a Thursday in late February

 

But yeah, it's totally possible to have a perfectly good day anytime of the year without having any fastpasses before arriving. Might not be able to get on every single attraction you want exactly when you want to but you can have a perfectly good time.

 

I've done all of the major attractions in Epcot in like 5 hours with only a pass for test Track on a Saturday in June.

 

I actually went Sun/Monday of marathon weekend, so definitely not their slowest time.

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It is a Thursday in late February

 

I actually went Sun/Monday of marathon weekend, so definitely not their slowest time.

 

Yeah, the parks were PACKED while you were out... Good timing!

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I'm a little late to this party, but I just want to add that I just got back from doing a half days at both EPCOT and Animal Kingdom in the middle of the day and rode Flight of the Passage, Navi River ride, Expedition Everest, Spaceship Earth, Mission Space, and Soarin with only a fastpass for Expedition Everest...so....

 

Just curious, but what time did you ride Flight of Passage and Navi River Journey? FOP Standby is usually listed at 3+ hours midday and Navi hitting 2. I've done both in the last hour (+bonus time) a few times.

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The takeaway is that Disney these days lives and dies by those Fast Passes. If you can get good ones, you can get on some rides. If you miss out on them, expect to wait a lot longer in the stand-by.

This is absoultely NOT TRUE at all.

 

It is only true if you are not a smart theme park patron and you follow the sheep into every single long line without thinking or being strategic on how to maximize your FP+ options combined with the best times to get into a stand by line.

 

I cannot tell you how many times I've stood in the Flight of Passage standby line and it only took me 25 minutes to get on the ride because I was smart about when I chose to get in that line.

 

I can also tell you that I've been on attraction like Frozen, Toy Story Mania, Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, etc, in the MIDDLE OF THE DAY without a Fast Pass and only waited 20-40 minutes because you figure out when are peak periods for rides and not peak periods.

 

Also doing some smart second guessing as to when people are and are not booking Fast Passes comes into play as well.

 

It annoys me when people claim that you "HAVE to get a FastPass or you're not getting on the bigger rides" because that's completely false. I would hope that the people posting to these forums would know better.

 

I'm a little late to this party, but I just want to add that I just got back from doing a half days at both EPCOT and Animal Kingdom in the middle of the day and rode Flight of the Passage, Navi River ride, Expedition Everest, Spaceship Earth, Mission Space, and Soarin with only a fastpass for Expedition Everest...so....

 

Yeah, EPCOT's always dead. This has been going on for a while. Magic Kingdom, Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom are usually pretty crowded, but if you follow the calendars you can find some days that aren't as busy. And obviously you can "get on everything" but the name of game is doing it without waiting in lines. I still feel like you can have great plans, but show up and the park is just a lot more crowded than you expected it be. I think that the beauty of FP+ is that it guarantees you short waits on a minimum number of rides whether it turns out to be packed or not. This can happen because there's a limited amount of FP+ given out, and they can always up the priority ratio to 4:1 if they need to drain the FP+ line when its getting too long. The CM's use their discretion to go between 1:1 to 4:1 based on what they need to do to keep the FP+ line minimal and moving.

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I'm a little late to this party, but I just want to add that I just got back from doing a half days at both EPCOT and Animal Kingdom in the middle of the day and rode Flight of the Passage, Navi River ride, Expedition Everest, Spaceship Earth, Mission Space, and Soarin with only a fastpass for Expedition Everest...so....

 

Just curious, but what time did you ride Flight of Passage and Navi River Journey? FOP Standby is usually listed at 3+ hours midday and Navi hitting 2. I've done both in the last hour (+bonus time) a few times.

 

Middle of the day. 12:00ish. I timed it--waited 94 minutes with 180 posted for Flight of Passage and 63 with 90 posted for River Journey.

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Disney Parks, Experiences and Products has sent us a press release that Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge will open at Disney's Hollywood Studios on August 29th, 2019 with the launch of the land's shops, dining and the Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run attraction. Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance will open later this year at a later date to be announced.

 

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In anticipation of high guest interest, Disney Parks, Experiences and Products announced today it will open Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge ahead of schedule at Disneyland Park in California on May 31 and at Disney’s Hollywood Studios at Walt Disney World Resort in Florida on Aug. 29.

 

On opening day for phase one, guests will be transported to the remote planet of Batuu, full of unique sights, sounds, smells and tastes. Guests can become part of the story as they sample galactic food and beverages, explore an intriguing collection of merchant shops and take the controls of the most famous ship in the galaxy aboard Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run.

 

Phase two, opening later this year, will be Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance, the most ambitious, immersive and advanced attraction ever imagined, which will place guests in the middle of a climactic battle between the First Order and the Resistance and will blur the lines between fantasy and reality. In light of tremendous demand, Disney made the decision to open the land in phases to allow guests to sooner enjoy the one-of-a-kind experiences that make Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge so spectacular.

 

Guests planning to visit Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge at Disneyland Park between May 31 and June 23, 2019, will need valid theme park admission and will be required to make a no-cost reservation, subject to availability, to access the land. Information on how to make a reservation will be available at a later date on Disneyland.com and the Disney Parks Blog. Guests staying at one of the three Disneyland Resort hotels during these dates will receive a designated reservation to access Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge during their stay (one reservation per registered guest); valid theme park admission is required.

 

Once guests step foot on Batuu, they will be part of the action as it unfolds around them, and their interactions with the Play Disney Parks mobile app* will deepen their engagement with the land. They may choose to aid a smuggler, join the Resistance or pledge their loyalty to the First Order. In this all-new environment, guests can make choices about their experience that could impact their adventures as they travel throughout the land by using the Play Disney Parks mobile app in a whole new way. This depth of storytelling is part of the total immersion that will distinguish the two, 14-acre lands – the largest and most technologically advanced single-themed land expansions ever in a Disney park – from any other themed land in history.

 

The new lands build off decades of collaboration between Walt Disney Imagineering and Lucasfilm Ltd., a global leader in film, television and digital entertainment production, including the Star Wars franchise. The work on Star Wars between these two creative powerhouses dates back to 1987, when the groundbreaking Star Tours attraction opened at Disneyland Park in California.

 

Welcome to the Edge of Wild Space: Black Spire Outpost on Batuu

Batuu is a far-flung destination along the galaxy’s Outer Rim, on the frontier of Wild Space – the uncharted region beyond all known star systems. Batuu is home to Black Spire Outpost, an infamous port for smugglers, traders and adventurers wishing to avoid any unnecessary … entanglements with the First Order. Along the way, guests may encounter some familiar faces, from Rey, Finn, and Poe to BB-8 and Chewie.

 

Star Wars Adventures Come to Life in Two Thrilling Attractions

For more than four decades, Star Wars fans have imagined what it would be like to blast across the stars inside the Millennium Falcon or race through the halls of a Star Destroyer. Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge will feature two signature attractions that turn those dreams into reality.

 

Set to open at Disneyland Resort on May 31 and at Walt Disney World Resort on Aug. 29, Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run, will take guests into the cockpit of “the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy.” They will take the controls of the Falcon in one of three unique and critical roles as the ship hurtles through space. Some will be pilots, some gunners and some flight engineers, creating multiple ways for guests to experience the attraction.

 

Set to open later this year, Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance places guests right in the middle of the Rebellion and gives them an active role in the fight against the First Order, including a faceoff with Kylo Ren. Their journey takes them inside a full-size starship and aboard a nearby Star Destroyer.

 

A Diverse Menu of Food and Beverages Await

What does Blue Milk actually taste like? That question and more will be answered when guests visit Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge and experience the new land’s expansive array of food and beverages. Guests will walk through a bustling street market, where vendors offer various local delicacies, including an Outpost Mix of uniquely flavored popped grains from Kat Saka’s Kettle, a unique popcorn snack with a combination of sweet, savory and spicy flavors.

 

At Oga’s Cantina, even the blaster-bolt scorches on the walls tell a story. Here, guests will gather to share their tales from around the galaxy as they enjoy exotic beverages served in unique vessels and listen to spirited musical entertainment provided by DJ R-3X, otherwise known as Rex, the former Starspeeder 3000 pilot droid from the original Star Tours. Rex re-invents himself as the cantina’s DJ, and he’s as quirky and talkative as ever.

 

A multi-purpose transport shuttle docked on top of a large hangar will beckon guests into Docking Bay 7 Food and Cargo, a designated location for traveling food shuttles. Chef Strono "Cookie" Tuggs is in much demand for his culinary skills, so he moves from site to site in a modified Sienar-Chall Utilipede-Transport that becomes a mobile kitchen and restaurant. His travels across the galaxy allow him to fill his pantry with exotic ingredients he uses to make new and unusual dishes. He is proud to present Tuggs’ Grub, a “traveling diner for diners traveling,” inspired by dishes he created during his time working for Maz Kanata on Takodana.

 

In the Black Spire Outpost market, Ronto Roasters will draw attention from passersby with its large podracing engine firing up a barbecue pit for mouth-watering Ronto Wraps. When hungry customers queue up to order, they will encounter a former smelter droid, carefully turning the spit of meats. Guests will also be able to choose from a variety of exotic non-alcoholic drinks like the Sour Sarlacc or Tatooine Sunset.

 

Elsewhere in the market, the Milk Stand will offer two local favorites – Blue Milk and Green Milk. Blue Milk was first seen in “Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope” when Luke Skywalker sat down for a family meal. Green Milk was introduced in “Star Wars: Episode VIII – The Last Jedi.”

 

Take a Piece of the Star Wars Galaxy Home from a Vibrant Market

Food is one of many discoveries just waiting to be made while wandering the lively market of Black Spire Outpost, where guests will encounter a robust collection of merchant shops and stalls filled with authentic Star Wars creations.

 

The Droid Depot will invite guests to construct their own astromech droids. Patrons will pick pieces and parts off a conveyor belt to build one of two core models (R-series or BB-series) and they can customize their droids with various parts and colors. These droids will be capable of interacting with elements in the land. Additional programming chips and accessories can be added to further customize these new friends. In addition, the Droid Depot will offer pre-built droids, droid-inspired products and more.

 

At Savi’s Workshop – Handbuilt Lightsabers, guests will have the opportunity to customize and craft their very own lightsabers. In this mystical experience, guests will feel the Force as they build these elegant weapons from a more civilized age.

 

Inside Dok-Ondar’s Den of Antiquities, guests will find a selection of rare and mysterious items for sale representing different eras of the Star Wars galaxy, including holocrons, ancient Jedi and Sith artifacts, lightsabers and more. As they explore the nooks and crannies of the shop, guests will also see Dok at his desk as the large Ithorian checks his inventory, takes incoming calls and barks the occasional order at his assistants.

 

In addition to these special experiences, the Black Spire Outpost market will feature the Creature Stall dedicated to the plethora of rare and fascinating creatures that populate the galaxy, as well as Black Spire Outfitters, showcasing the latest in accessories. Guests will also find the Toydarian Toymaker, a stall full of toys crafted by a Toydarian (the flying alien species first seen in “Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace”).

 

Guests can also demonstrate where their loyalties lie with the gear and accessories they purchase within the land. Resistance Supply is a “makeshift” supply location at the Resistance’s hidden command area. The stall sells Resistance pins, badges, hats, and other accessories to help guests feel like part of the cause. First Order Cargo, meanwhile, is a temporary First Order storage dock near the market. Easily identified by a never-before-seen First Order TIE echelon, the cargo location will offer guests a chance to pledge their loyalty by purchasing pins, caps, gear, model ships and more.

 

Play Disney Parks Mobile App Deepens Guest Engagement with the Land

Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge is the first land within a Disney park designed to integrate with the Play Disney Parks mobile app, which debuted last year and offers interactive adventures and experiences that bring surrounding environments to life at Disneyland Resort and Walt Disney World Resort. When guests use the app, it will provide new opportunities for them to engage with the land, such as translating a galactic language, learning what’s hidden inside crates and containers, or accomplishing certain tasks by participating in missions.

 

Guests also can use the Play Disney Parks app to interact with a variety of elements in Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge, such as droids, ships, media screens, door panels and antenna arrays.

 

Iconic Musical Score for Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge

Music has been an integral part of Star Wars from the moment the iconic themes of Academy Award-winning® composer John Williams first introduced us to this galaxy. The music for Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge continues that tradition with a suite of all-new Williams-composed themes written especially for the land and its attractions. Along with a collection of original cantina songs created by composers and songwriters from around the globe, this new music will deepen guests’ connection to the land as Williams complements and builds upon the iconic fanfares he created for the Star Wars films.

 

More details about Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge will be released in the coming months. Visit DisneylandNews.com, WDWNews.com, DisneyParksBlog.com and StarWars.com for the most up-to-date information.

 

Capacity is limited. Access to the theme park, Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge and its experiences may be restricted or unavailable depending on guest demand and other factors.

 

* Message, data and roaming rates may apply. Availability subject to handset limitations and device settings and features may vary by handset, service provider or otherwise. Coverage and app stores not available everywhere. If you’re under 18, get your parents’ permission first. Some features require separate theme park admission. Some experiences require in-app purchases.

 

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This is awesome news for Disney. They're about to turn one of the slowest times of the year into an absolute madhouse between this and the new dynamic pricing model that makes September weekdays their best deal of the year (even now after this announcement).

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Yeah, I'm going to wait until like... a month or two after both attractions are open and go on some random weeknight.

 

Though on the bright side, I bet I'll be able to get on Avatar Flight of Passage more often now.

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Though on the bright side, I bet I'll be able to get on Avatar Flight of Passage more often now.

 

Honestly I want to believe this but I doubt it since it's in a different park. Slinky and Swirling Saucers should be a lot easier though (unless they switch up the tiers which they probably should).

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I still haven't ridden Slinky Dog and I live 15 minutes away!

 

I'm a big believer in waiting till crowds die down and not needing to be the OMGFIRSTEVAR!!!! to ride something.

 

I see both of these opening dates as more like soft openings and they'll figure a LOT out and get everything good to go before the Holiday season.

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