The Knott's Berry Farm (KBF) Discussion Thread

[Xceleratorfan96]

^ All of what your saying is true. All we can do at this point is speculate. The only reasons we may have why Knott's would get a coaster from B&M is that: A: such a contract about purchasing 3 rides does exist after all. B: Screamscape seems to believe that B&M will build Knott's next coaster. C: Knott's is going to remove a ride built by Intamin that we can all agree was a bit of a dud and therefore Knott's does not want another project, especially a big coaster, from Intamin and so will use the people who built Silver Bullet instead. These are the possible reasons I came up with.

 

I agree with what you said too. I mean Intamin seems good just because of the B&M roar, but I guess that isn't a huge issue, or another words is indeed an issue that could be solved.

 

^ -sigh-

 

Ugh, in all honesty, I don't really want to see a Giga in Perilous Plunge's spot. I think the space could be suited to something else....

 

Many people I've talked to are so over joyed and blindly celebrating something we don't even know is real yet.

 

After seeing what happened with Silver Bullet and how the beautiful lakefront was ripped to shreds, I'd hate to see the same thing happen to Roaring Twenties or the edges of Ghost Town.

 

I know all the coasters enthusiasts are thinking giga and saying "gimme gimme gimme", but do you think that this would benefit the park even more than say, an attraction that was suited for the whole family? (smaller scale family coaster or something?)

 

Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah, Silver Bullet was the last major thrill ride, but the park has been focusing on other aspects.

 

Even for what it is, I think Pony express is still a decent ride, especially for the tiny space they managed to jam it into. Same with Sierra Sidewinder.

 

Making a coaster that integrated well into its surroundings would be much better than plopping a concrete jungle onto a Boardwalk area.

 

 

 

But I digress.

 

 

I still have a sinking suspicion Boomerang isn't in the clear yet either. I mean, the ride is 22 years old...one of the oldest Boomerangs out there. I suspect we'll probably be seeing another announcement later this year for its removal as well.

 

I have to say I disagree with this. This coaster would more than likely not even have to touch Ghost Town. This coaster would hopefully not even need to touch most of the Roaring Twenties. I don't remember that area being very alive or interesting either. Knott's will alway have Fiesta Village and Ghost Town, imo the pride theming of Knott's. In that case, Knott's will always have enough family attraction, and a great variety. Now if they could use the Boardwalk for this coaster, they could even give SFMM a run for their money in the thrill category imo.

 

I do agree with you on Boomerang. It is still a mediocre ride, but with it's removal it could open room for this new coaster, in the end keeping it centralized in the Boardwalk.

 

I do agree with your

[thestripedtaco]

Well I have carefully been looking at satellite views of both skyrush and the PP and KOD area and it sure looks like it would be possible to fit a coaster of similar length and height in those two areas. I really am actually hoping now that the coaster is an Intamin and of a Skyrush like design for a few reasons: A: the coaster could be confined to the boardwalk, and the boardwalk area only. B: Only one major attraction as well as a building used for haunt and lazer tag would have to be demolished for a ride that could literally change how people think about Knott's. C: Intamin could easily make a longer version of Skyrush in this area and possibly a huge coaster if Boomerang was given the axe as well.

 

Just a few of my crazy and probably totally wrong thoughts.

[coasterfreak101]

Im still new to this site but would love if someone could post a birds eye view of PP and KOD so we could try and see if it would be possible to fit a skyrush like coaster in that area.

 

Your wish is my command - complete with awesome Paint skills!

 

 

 

The only shot Knott's has of fitting a giga solely into the Boardwalk is if they take out Boomerang, and possibly the Sky Tower (which they were supposed to do last year, no?) Even then, it's a plot big enough for a hyper, but not a giga unless it also stretches across the park or into some other adjacent area. But hey, if they could get something even close to Skyrush-quality, I'm there.

Edited August 17, 2012 by coasterfreak101

[thestripedtaco]

Yah they really could only fit a hyper in that area, and it would be pretty compact (Although coasters like Skyrush have shown me that compact layouts are really not a bad thing anymore) but they could do it if they got rid of the KOD building. A giga would be harder although if you can build a 150 foot inverted coaster over half the park im sure you could do the same with an even taller coaster.

 

^ Thank you for doing the comparison pics and drawings.

[bottom_feeder_13]

^^ & ^^^

Overhead layout of the coaster I posted pics of on page 437 of this topic

It's only 53 meters (~175 feet) tall with a 45* lift hill but it fits while only using up space that is currently used for vendors stalls, PP and a small bit of the midway.

[thestripedtaco]

What interests me is how you fit it in without using the KOD building. I bet you could easily fit a giga if you took out boomerang and KOD.

[coasterfreak101]

What interests me is how you fit it in without using the KOD building. I bet you could easily fit a giga if you took out boomerang and KOD.

 

I think you're underestimating the amount of size that a giga takes up, with all its extra speed requiring much wider turns than can be handled in that spot. Just for reference, comparing I305 to the entire Boardwalk at Knott's:

 

[MylesG4L]

B&M coasters are sexy, you gotta admit

[thestripedtaco]

^^ But you see how you fit it in there? I could totally see Knott's building something like that after what they did with SB. And since it isn't destroying any charm I really can't say I have a problem with it this time. But your right if it was a giga it would sure make the boardwalk look more like the steelwalk considering how many footers would be crossing the midway with coaster train and screaming riders going past you every 5 seconds.

[MayTheGForceBeWithYou]

^It goes over park boundaries. Good luck building on top of Western Ave.

[thestripedtaco]

^ Ok I know it dosen't fit exactly but it wouldn't be the exact same ride anyways. What I'm trying to say is that a giga layout that is pretty long CAN be fit in the boardwalk area at knott's.

[MayTheGForceBeWithYou]

^True, but SB wrecked the landscape when it got put in. I wouldn't want that to happen again.

[thestripedtaco]

^ Yah but if a giga was put in it would probably use KOD's area for station and breaks. Then PP for half the layout including first drop. Then go over to boomerangs area where it would cross over to PP at some point and then hit the brakes and return to the station. It would get rid of a lot for one ride but if they wanted it to stick to the boardwalk it could happen. That way at least what happened with SB can be minimized to an area without much charm or theming anyways. And if Intamin was chosen it would be even less of an issue because they use less supports than B&M.

[bottom_feeder_13]

^ I don't think you quite understand the size the turns have to be on a giga to avoid another wheel melting incident. You'd basically need to rip out that entire section of the park including the KOD building, PP, Boomerang, the Skytower, Riptide, the top spin, as well as most of the midway to make space for a twisty Intamin giga like I305, an out and back Leviathan style giga on the other hand is certainly doable by having it go around the park's perimeter. Personally I'd love to see any coaster go there as long as it has some airtime and is well themed to help extend the 50's theme across the entire boardwalk. I think a B & M hyper would go really well with KBFs current coaster line up especially since its different from anything else west of the Rockies.

[thestripedtaco]

^ You have a point which is why I will be so excited to see what the actual plan is for whatever ride there planning on putting in. I don't think its more than one cause in their announcement they said ride which is singular. I would love a B&M hyper that I can actually get too.

[XYZ]

What interests me is how you fit it in without using the KOD building. I bet you could easily fit a giga if you took out boomerang and KOD.

 

I think you're underestimating the amount of size that a giga takes up, with all its extra speed requiring much wider turns than can be handled in that spot. Just for reference, comparing I305 to the entire Boardwalk at Knott's:

 

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This is why I think the giga would not be built by Intamin, but instead by B&M. B&M can make an out-and-back layout (as they usually do) and have the coaster go over rides. Yes, I prefer Intamin, but B&M makes more sense.

 

I usually don't like re-posting an image I made previously, but back 14 pages I made this layout of how a B&M out-and-back coaster could fit into KBF:

 

[Xceleratorfan96]

What interests me is how you fit it in without using the KOD building. I bet you could easily fit a giga if you took out boomerang and KOD.

 

I think you're underestimating the amount of size that a giga takes up, with all its extra speed requiring much wider turns than can be handled in that spot. Just for reference, comparing I305 to the entire Boardwalk at Knott's:

 

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So basically something a little smaller than I305 would fit. It doesn't have to be 300 ft either. Basically if it has a drop larger than 250ft, is steeper than Goliath @SFMM, and has some airtime and that good stuff, it is the best mega in California and maybe the west coast, which is the goal anyways isn't it? Btw I could see the entrance for this coaster being at Chareston Circle.... maybe that's why they just refurbed it!!

[thestripedtaco]

See the cool thing is all these ideas could work. I'll be interested to see what ends up happening and it looks like we won't have to wait much longer. That out and back layout you designed would easily be over a mile in length which would add a really long ride which is something Knott's could use more of.

[UrbanLegend]

I kinda have the feeling we'll all be super disappointed when the announcement comes. Maybe a family launcher similar to Manta.

[SLUSHIE]

I don't think Knott's needs a traditional hyper or giga coaster. That would absolutly ruin the whole atmosphere across a large area of the park.

 

I'd be happy if they just replaced PP with a like wild mouse or something else that fits just in that location.

[Manic Monte]

Knotts has a wild mouse, as well as a few other family coasters. The park hasn't added a thrill coaster since 2004.

 

It doesn't have to be a giga coaster, but please no more lame ass family coasters like Pony Express.

 

Something like Skyrush or even Maverick would be much better additions imo.

[thestripedtaco]

^ Even something moderately thrilling like a water coaster (like Divertical) would work to satisfy families as well as thrill seekers who want to get wet.

[Jew]

^^I wasn't aware that Knott's had a mouse.

[brock_boehm]

Knotts has a wild mouse, as well as a few other family coasters. The park hasn't added a thrill coaster since 2004.

 

It doesn't have to be a giga coaster, but please no more lame A$$ family coasters like Pony Express.

 

Something like Skyrush or even Maverick would be much better additions imo.

This. Completely feel the same way, they have enough family coasters. Knott's needs another big thrill.

[thestripedtaco]

^^I wasn't aware that Knott's had a mouse.

 

Sierra Sidewinder is probably what he is talking about.