Why all the screaming, Robb?

[STR8FXXXINEDGE]

Rut-roh...

[robbalvey]

You could of just said I make the videos for me first and viewers second. That would have gotten your point across fine.

 

I'm well aware people view your videos. I never said the audio stopped me from viewing them either. I just find the audio annoying, but the video top notch. I have no issue with hearing screams and laughter in the videos. It's the comments that bother me.

Why are you being so abrasive??? They are MY videos. If you don't like them... Don't watch. Simple. You write to me saying how "most people" don't like the audio in our videos, and I was simply defending my stance on why I think otherwise. If you don't want to hear a response like that, don't come out of the gate with such erroneous accusations. Understood?

 

I was just giving you a full explanation of why we do what we do. Jesus effing Christ!!!

 

--Robb "Please don't ever tell me what I should be saying." Alvey

 

You're calling me abrasive with comments like Jesus effing christ? You're like the most abrasive person I've seen on here. I never said you have to bend over backwards to suite my needs. I just offered my criticism in a thread that seemed to call for it. I was mistaken with my "most people" comment. I was just thinking of the average person rather than extreme roller coaster fans. If you don't like what I say then you don't have to respond. It works both ways.

It's one thing to say "I don't like your videos, and this is why..." it's another thing to say "I don't like your videos, and 'most people' don't like them either, so I think, and I'm speaking for 'most people' when I say this, that you should change the way you do your videos."

 

That is *EXACTLY* how your post read to me. If you meant it differently, then you should probably think about how to post stuff to the internet, and how other people are going to receive your comments, and then respond to them.

 

It doesn't take much to figure this out.

 

--Robb "Sorry if I was being overly defensive, but it's my house, and I have a right to be." Alvey

Edited December 30, 2012 by robbalvey

[robbalvey]

ps. And not sure if you've ever read the internet before, but other sites would have been FAR MORE abrasive back to you. Have you ever read sites like Reddit, 4Chan, or even most YouTube comments? Those sites make me weep for the future of humanity when you read the responses. Sure, I might be a bit brash with my posts, but I'm being HONEST with you, not filtering my responses, and my god, we are SO TAME compared to the rest of the internet.

Edited December 30, 2012 by robbalvey

[SFMMGeek27]

Yeah, and seriously, were you not expecting Robb to defend himself? Just because one person complains doesn't mean he's gonna change things. If it was a common complaint from many, MANY, people, then MAYBE it would be considered. Just watch what you say. I'm not even sure if you should've created a thread for this. You could've just emailed Robb with your complaint. You didn't have to spread it out to the universe.

[robbalvey]

All I know is that TPR has the best quality and selection of videos on the internet.

You guys put forth an enormous amount of effort in planning these trips, working with the parks and updating the site with damn near up to the minute reports. Blows my mind that some people will still find something to complain about.

 

Keep up the awesome work and have some fun doing it.

Thank you! Much appreciated!

Edited December 30, 2012 by robbalvey

[robbalvey]

I'm not even sure if you should've created a thread for this. You could've just emailed Robb with your complaint. You didn't have to spread it out to the universe.

I'm actually fine with people giving us feedback and constructive criticism... BUT... when you are going to critique someone else, you should...

 

A. Know how to word your thoughts so it comes off as constructive and not obnoxious, and

 

B. Be prepared to handle whatever the response is from said criticism.

 

I really do feel that I explained why TPR produces the videos we do very well, and in a manner that should be easily digestible to anyone reading. I would have thought most people would have really appreciated the fact that I took the time to write that explanation. The issue here is that explanation is not what Vikings22 wanted to hear, and I also addressed his obnoxious comment in a manner that I felt it deserved.

 

Vikings22 didn't do very well with "A" and totally failed at "B". He wanted me to respond back "Yeah, dude, you're right... from now on, it will be just raw coaster sounds that you and 'most people' want to hear...thanks for bringing this to my attention", and since that wasn't my response, he just kept going and going and going, like the Chinese knock-off version of an Energizer Bunny that needs it's battery removed.

 

Again, I really DO appreciate those of you who like our work, and I really DO appreciate those of you who give us constructive feedback, and don't yell at us.

 

Thank you for being AWESOME!!!

 

--Robb

Edited December 30, 2012 by robbalvey

[Meteornotes]

As always, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about doing most things in life. People can learn these things if they take the time to read and understand what they are reading.

 

And this thread is awesome not only for its educational purposes, but because there's a Wayne's World reference...

 

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[Mrenata]

I think TPR forum should have a "like" button or some other way to show appreciation for someone else's post (in this case, Robb's posts).

 

Then we could see how many "likes" the complaint post would get and how many "likes" Robb's responses would get and have some fun

[rider-x]

Riding El Toro with Robb I found myself anticipating a WEEEEEE!!!! .... I got one. Also whoever started this post should go on one of the trips to see what the fun is all about. That's the great thing about the trips, they are open to all... Douchebags included

Edited December 30, 2012 by robbalvey

[scbt]

Just my opinon, but I enjoy Robb's Pov's so much more because they actually sound like people having fun on a rollercoasters. A lot of the audio of the other youtube pov's are nothing but high pitched screaming and wind noise and that can get really obnoxious after a bit.

[robbalvey]

Riding El Toro with Robb I found myself anticipating a WEEEEEE!!!! .... I got one.

This man has spoken true! What you hear on the videos isn't done "for the videos", that's naturally my reaction to riding coasters! Love it or hate it, that's just *me* and sorry, I can't change that!

 

--Robb

[thomas2]

It's been ages since I last posted here.

 

There are days when I long to hear Robb scream, and others when I don't. The latter, I just turn down the volume a notch and enjoy the video. I'm still in control of the volume button myself

 

Truth is that there are no comparable POVs on the internet that can match the quality of Robb's. Screaming or not.

[BigBomer]

Personally, I love all of the commentary that Robb makes in the videos I find it amusing and humorous and think it adds to the video, not take away. I don't ever want to start seeing videos without the commentary and will always take to you're defense on Youtube or Facebook whenever someone hates on the commentary.

[DougMJr]

Douggw, I'm a tad disappointed. I hold those who share my first name to a higher standard.

 

I actually haven't found a TPR video I didn't like. I even have a very special place in my heart for the older videos with music. That is how I discovered TPR! The old videos on Robb's Channel are some of my favorites!

 

I feel like the YouTube videos are the first thing people see when they discover TPR, and I think the videos reflect the personality of TPR perfectly! Robb's commentary, visual style, and video production differentiates TPR from all the other POV Channels.

 

If you don't like it, you have options. There are other POV Channels, check 'em out! Or turn down your volume... or put your fingers in your ears and yell "lalalalalalalala!"

[Third Echelon]

Long time lurker, saw this on Twitter and thought I'd finally register to share my thoughts.

 

Let me be clear. I don't at all have a problem with people on a roller coaster screaming, having fun, or otherwise enjoying the ride. And since I like to view POVs as a representation of riding the ride, I don't mind screaming and yelling in the videos either. I enjoy most of Robb's POVs.

 

I am less likely to enjoy the video, however, if there is lots of commentary during the video. When I say commentary, I'm referring to explanation of elements ("Now we're going through a cobra roll!") or generally talking about the ride ("And at the bottom of this hill we'll be going 93 mph!"). I don't like hearing someone ramble on about the ride while I'm actually riding it, so therefore I don't like it in the videos either. If I'm not mistaken, it was this commentary that douggw and Vikings22 were referring to in their respective posts as opposed to general screaming, yelling, and enjoyment.

 

My opinion, however, is irrelevant. They are, as you said, your videos and I will continue to watch them as they are usually of high quality. I don't usually have a problem with your POVs at all.

 

I do, however, have a problem with the way you go about expressing your feedback to the criticism you got. I don't see where Vikings22 was at all being "abrasive", as you said.

 

You could of just said I make the videos for me first and viewers second. That would have gotten your point across fine.

 

I'm well aware people view your videos. I never said the audio stopped me from viewing them either. I just find the audio annoying, but the video top notch. I have no issue with hearing screams and laughter in the videos. It's the comments that bother me.

 

Could you point out where, exactly, Vikings22 stepped out of line? He raised valid points. In fact, the only place where I see abrasiveness is when phrases like "Jesus effing Christ!" and sign-offs like "Robb "Please don't ever tell me what I should be saying." Alvey". You seem to have plenty of advice to offer Vikings about responding with maturity to things people post, but you responded quite childishly yourself.

 

I don't see anything in Vikings22's posts that warranted the full-page, defensive, and obnoxious replies that you provided. It seems the phrase "most people" outraged you, and I'm not entirely sure why. It's just as easy to politely explain that "most people" don't share the same opinion as Vikings as it is to write a passionate, defensive monologue explaining why Vikings is supposedly acting like a child.

 

Additionally, the fact that this website is less "harsh" than 4chan or YouTube is irrelevant. Everyone knows that those forums are the lowest of the low when it comes to internet communities -- being more respectful than them isn't exactly a point of pride.

 

This post is not directed solely at Robb, either, but at the community in general. Seeing name-calling like "douchebag" and schoolyard insults like "Perhaps Mommy should have taken them off the teat before their 5th birthday?" really makes me nauseous. You people ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

 

Forums are a place for people to respectfully voice their opinions and engage in discussions with others that share their interests. The responses to Vikings22 and douggw are anything but respectful, and were completely unwarranted.

 

I'll step off my soapbox now.

[Chroniq]

\You are more than welcome to travel around the world and produce your own videos if you don't like ours.

This

 

The fun of the comments in the videos is what separates TPR from other coaster videos.

That

 

I love threads like these because it alerts me to the people I don't wanna hang out with at parks.

Quoted for accuracy

 

 

I don't see anything in Vikings22's posts that warranted the full-page, defensive, and obnoxious replies that you provided. It seems the phrase "most people" outraged you, and I'm not entirely sure why. It's just as easy to politely explain that "most people" don't share the same opinion as Vikings as it is to write a passionate, defensive monologue explaining why Vikings is supposedly acting like a child.

The thing is, this is Robb's house.. He puts a huge amount of time and effort into this site, the videos and the the trips... If you called me out in my house for some silly minutia like "why do you talk/comment/scream on the videos that I'm getting for free and likely wouldn't ever see if they weren't being provided to me for free on youtube?" , I'd probably be a bit angry too.. It's best practices to wipe your feet before you step into someone's house.

 

-Chris "thinks the asbergers crowd should understand that we are supposed to show a bit of emotion when we are riding something designed to scare or thrill us" Con

Edited December 30, 2012 by Chroniq

[ViperLover]

Long time lurker, saw this on Twitter and thought I'd finally register to share my thoughts.

 

Let me be clear. I don't at all have a problem with people on a roller coaster screaming, having fun, or otherwise enjoying the ride. And since I like to view POVs as a representation of riding the ride, I don't mind screaming and yelling in the videos either. I enjoy most of Robb's POVs.

 

I am less likely to enjoy the video, however, if there is lots of commentary during the video. When I say commentary, I'm referring to explanation of elements ("Now we're going through a cobra roll!") or generally talking about the ride ("And at the bottom of this hill we'll be going 93 mph!"). I don't like hearing someone ramble on about the ride while I'm actually riding it, so therefore I don't like it in the videos either. If I'm not mistaken, it was this commentary that douggw and Vikings22 were referring to in their respective posts as opposed to general screaming, yelling, and enjoyment.

 

My opinion, however, is irrelevant. They are, as you said, your videos and I will continue to watch them as they are usually of high quality. I don't usually have a problem with your POVs at all.

 

I do, however, have a problem with the way you go about expressing your feedback to the criticism you got. I don't see where Vikings22 was at all being "abrasive", as you said.

 

You could of just said I make the videos for me first and viewers second. That would have gotten your point across fine.

 

I'm well aware people view your videos. I never said the audio stopped me from viewing them either. I just find the audio annoying, but the video top notch. I have no issue with hearing screams and laughter in the videos. It's the comments that bother me.

 

Could you point out where, exactly, Vikings22 stepped out of line? He raised valid points. In fact, the only place where I see abrasiveness is when phrases like "Jesus effing Christ!" and sign-offs like "Robb "Please don't ever tell me what I should be saying." Alvey". You seem to have plenty of advice to offer Vikings about responding with maturity to things people post, but you responded quite childishly yourself.

 

I don't see anything in Vikings22's posts that warranted the full-page, defensive, and obnoxious replies that you provided. It seems the phrase "most people" outraged you, and I'm not entirely sure why. It's just as easy to politely explain that "most people" don't share the same opinion as Vikings as it is to write a passionate, defensive monologue explaining why Vikings is supposedly acting like a child.

 

Additionally, the fact that this website is less "harsh" than 4chan or YouTube is irrelevant. Everyone knows that those forums are the lowest of the low when it comes to internet communities -- being more respectful than them isn't exactly a point of pride.

 

This post is not directed solely at Robb, either, but at the community in general. Seeing name-calling like "douchebag" and schoolyard insults like "Perhaps Mommy should have taken them off the teat before their 5th birthday?" really makes me nauseous. You people ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

 

Forums are a place for people to respectfully voice their opinions and engage in discussions with others that share their interests. The responses to Vikings22 and douggw are anything but respectful, and were completely unwarranted.

 

I'll step off my soapbox now.

 

If you don't like how Robb makes his videos, you don't have to watch either. The comment made earlier wasn't just towards Vikings. It is towards anyone who is whining about the "screaming". It isn't even screaming. It's called having fun. Something you wouldn't know about seeing that all you do all day is complain about how someone wants to make their videos.

[simaticable]

I generally love Robb's videos. In fact, if I go on YouTube, it's usually the only thing I see. There's nothing wrong with his reactions, it's just the way he wants to express himself and his love for roller coasters. I always love hearing people's reactions to coasters, and Robb's are some of the funniest I've heard on YouTube. It's one way I use to cheer myself up if I'm not feeling too happy that day.

[_koppen]

If you don't like how Robb makes his videos, you don't have to watch either. The comment made earlier wasn't just towards Vikings. It is towards anyone who is whining about the "screaming". It isn't even screaming. It's called having fun. Something you wouldn't know about seeing that all you do all day is complain about how someone wants to make their videos.

 

If you read his post again, then you can see that it's more towards the way people are talking to each other on the internet, rather than the videos.

 

I personally love TPR videos, and will continue to do so.

[Mrlittle]

I say a lot of stuff on coasters. If I was to make a POV, it be full of commentary. Besides, who doesn't like "Twistys" or "weeee". My all time favorite is the commentary on Cheetah Hunt. "Wild mouse, wild cheetah, whats the difference" Keep doing what you do Robb.

 

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[ViperLover]

If you don't like how Robb makes his videos, you don't have to watch either. The comment made earlier wasn't just towards Vikings. It is towards anyone who is whining about the "screaming". It isn't even screaming. It's called having fun. Something you wouldn't know about seeing that all you do all day is complain about how someone wants to make their videos.

 

If you read his post again, then you can see that it's more towards the way people are talking to each other on the internet, rather than the videos.

 

I personally love TPR videos, and will continue to do so.

 

I kind of got lost after the first paragraph. His nonsense still made no difference. The rules say PG-13. They don't say "Absolutely NO Swearing, Being Rude, or Indecent Behavior." It's an online coaster forum meant for fun, and if people don't like it, they shouldn't have even posted something like that in the first place.

[Third Echelon]

If you don't like how Robb makes his videos, you don't have to watch either. The comment made earlier wasn't just towards Vikings. It is towards anyone who is whining about the "screaming". It isn't even screaming. It's called having fun. Something you wouldn't know about seeing that all you do all day is complain about how someone wants to make their videos.

 

If you read his post again, then you can see that it's more towards the way people are talking to each other on the internet, rather than the videos.

 

I personally love TPR videos, and will continue to do so.

 

Thank you. As you'll see in the very beginning of my post, I quite like that there is screaming and yelling in the POVs. That's not at all what my post was about.

 

The thing is, this is Robb's house.. He puts a huge amount of time and effort into this site, the videos and the the trips... If you called me out in my house for some silly minutia like "why do you talk/comment/scream on the videos that I'm getting for free and likely wouldn't ever see if they weren't being provided to me for free on youtube?" , I'd probably be a bit angry too.. It's best practices to wipe your feet before you step into someone's house.

 

-Chris "thinks the asbergers crowd should understand that we are supposed to show a bit of emotion when we are riding something designed to scare or thrill us" Con

 

I understand that this is Robb's website. I respect all the time and effort he puts into this site and his videos, and as I said, I love his videos and will continue to watch them. But the fact that Robb pays for and runs this website does not automatically grant him (or others) the right to act as immaturely as he (and others) did.

 

The fact that he pays the bills around here doesn't excuse him from the simple rules of decency and etiquette.

 

I kind of got lost after the first paragraph.

 

I think my post was clear enough. If you could not be bothered to read my entire post, please refrain from calling it "nonsense".

[ViperLover]

But the fact that Robb pays for and runs this website does not automatically grant him (or others) the right to act as immaturely as he (and others) did.

 

Actually, it does. Robb owns this website, and therefore gives him the right to do as he pleases with it. There is no "Internet Rule Book" saying that he can't. End of story.

[DougMJr]

But the fact that Robb pays for and runs this website does not automatically grant him (or others) the right to act as immaturely...

 

Actually, it gives him the right to act however he wants... He foots the bill, he puts in the effort, he can run TPR however he wants to. If you start a business you will have that same right.

[Third Echelon]

But the fact that Robb pays for and runs this website does not automatically grant him (or others) the right to act as immaturely as he (and others) did.

 

Actually, it does. Robb owns this website, and therefore gives him the right to do as he pleases with it. There is no "Internet Rule Book" saying that he can't.

I suppose you're right. There is no Internet Rule Book, and there's no "etiquette police" to make sure everyone is playing nice. But shouldn't everybody treat others with respect? Why should he get a pass on being a decent human being? I don't care if you're Michael Jordan, the President of the US, or Robb Alvey, everyone should treat everyone else with respect. That's all I'm saying. No "status", especially being an administrator of an internet forum, makes it okay to act with such arrogance.

 

Anyone *can* act like a child, but nobody *should*.