mikeykaise Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 T -29:11:21:30 until blast off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I think it's embarrising for GG that it has taken them so long to get the timberliners up and running (soon) on a big coaster. They were annoced five years ago this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingwright Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I think it's embarrising for GG that it has taken them so long to get the timberliners up and running (soon) on a big coaster.They were annoced five years ago this year. Â Thanks for your expert opinion, but I'm sure there are plenty of valid reasons for the Timberliner delays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Thanks for your expert opinion, but I'm sure there are plenty of valid reasons for the Timberliner delays.  There can be all the reasons in the world, it is still embarrassing for the company that they can not get the train they self called "The most revolutionary wooden coaster train …ever" almost 5 years ago to work on rides taller than 50 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalCoasters Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 ^Engineering such a train isn't as easy as say, a building. They have a multitude of dynamic forces acting on them. Ere's nothing wrong with them taking their time and making sure they're deriving the best possible product, and the fact that the style is already running on two other coasters is far from "an embarrassment". Â I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but from what I understand, it sounds like the Timberliners used on both Twister and Wodden Warrior are designed for smaller layouts in mind, whereas the ones being developed for Voyage (and now Hades) must undergo a much larger set of forces the that chassis of the small model can't handle. Â Maybe someone can officially confirm/deny this, but that's what I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 ^I think he makes a valid point. Regardless of the reasons, 5 years is an awful lot of fine tuning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share Posted May 4, 2013 How long did it take RMC to get their trains up and running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 How long did it take RMC to get their trains up and running? Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesdude Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Did anyone here make the trek out for opening day? My girlfriend and I decided to make a Kings Island + HW trip from Michigan over the weekend, but we weren't prepared to wake up in Dale, IN to 55F and steady rain (neither of us packed pants nor warm hoodies) and decided to head back to KI and home instead of dropping $60 for tickets on a cold and rainy day. We were incredibly disappointed after coming so far, but weather happens and we're now planning on doing Holiwood Nights instead. Â If you did make it out there, was it cold and rainy and miserable or did the weather ever decide to let up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrthoMan Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 My friend and I went. It was indeed cold and a bit miserable, and the rain didn't let up for a second all day. However, less than 3 rows in the parking lot were filled and trains were going out with an average of 4-10 people on them all day, so everyone there (especially us) still had a GREAT time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Taking jabs at Gravity Group for delayed Timblerliners (or Knoebels' for Flying Turns) is such a cheap shot. Those are new "things" that will be worth the wait. They're late; they're VERY late, we all know. What's the big deal? A bigger deal would be all the empty single seats going on out B&M coasters at big parks on busy days (like 12 empty seats on Raging Bull, on a busy Saturday in July). I don't see anyone challenging that issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeykaise Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 The reason for the delay this time is Paula is saying that they built a new train but it was shipped to them too late to do full time testing with it so they are going to wait until after the daily operating schedule to be able to test them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Taking jabs at Gravity Group for delayed Timblerliners (or Knoebels' for Flying Turns) is such a cheap shot. Those are new "things" that will be worth the wait. They're late; they're VERY late, we all know. What's the big deal? A bigger deal would be all the empty single seats going on out B&M coasters at big parks on busy days (like 12 empty seats on Raging Bull, on a busy Saturday in July). I don't see anyone challenging that issue  I'm not taking 'jabs' I'm full on calling them out! Come on, this is ridiculous and if this was ANY other park and/or almost ANY other manufacturer we'd all be laughing and giving them all kinds of crap for it!  Knoebels and Holiday World along with certain manufacturers get a 'pass' from enthusiasts for stuff that we would freak out over if Six Flags, Cedar Fair, or Intamin did. Do they deserve it or not, that's for you to decide, but I think this whole train thing is a big issue that needs to be resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy T. Koepp Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 ^Thank you for clarifying my thoughts on this matter. What would happen if YOLOcoaster at MM was ready to go, but Premiere took 5 years to deliver a working train for it. No right minded executive would put up with that. Lawsuits would be filed. Refunds would be asked for. And Premiere would probably be out of business. I actually am shocked that HW has given them this long to get these things right. GG should really consider themselves lucky that HW has stuck with them for this long. If 3 times is a charm, then I am expecting rainbows and unicorns to magically appear if these trains ever get done. I know in my industry, you can only get things wrong so many times before no one will work with you. And by so many times, I mean once, maybe twice if you're lucky. I certainly hope HW hasn't spent any of their own coin yet on these things. My concern is that when they finally have a train that works, will all the rehab they've done on the track be for not? Cause lets face facts. It doesn't matter how much lotion you moisturize with. If you rub your skin with sand paper. It's gonna feel rough. And hurt. And right now. Voyage hurts. The last 4 years, I have ridden it once on my first visit to see if it has changed, and then don't bother the rest of the year. I probably won't bother at all this year as i find myself enjoying the day much more when I don't ride it. It really is just not worth the headache. Â And don't get me wrong. I am in no way bashing HW. Me and my family love the park and have visited on average of 3 times a season since we moved here to Nashville. And we will continue to visit this year and many years to come. But this whole Timberliner situation is getting ridiculous now. Holiday World is really getting the short end of the stick on this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Also remember that Holiday World sold two of their three PTC trains from The Voyage before the 2010 season, to make room for the timberliners, leaving them without trains. Â They had to modify one train from Raven for the Voyage, and then run Raven with a single train that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Come on, this is ridiculous and if this was ANY other park and/or almost ANY other manufacturer we'd all be laughing and giving them all kinds of crap for it!  We already do  we would freak out over if Six Flags, Cedar Fair, or Intamin did.  Hasn't stopped us, we still freak out. Just a different POV on the issue. I totally understand and respect yours; I've been there myself. I was just speaking for those of us that it doesn't bother as much (anymore... which I guess is in fact a joke about how long it's been.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 ^I don't think it really bothers anyone here. We're all just wondering what the heck is going on for it to take so long! I think we are also hoping they work out, as Gravity Group has been some great rides and we'd hate to see this mess hurt their business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 ^Agreed. I like to see Voyage become the great ride that I experienced in spring 2009 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Linn Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Taking jabs at Gravity Group for delayed Timblerliners (or Knoebels' for Flying Turns) is such a cheap shot. Those are new "things" that will be worth the wait. They're late; they're VERY late, we all know. What's the big deal? A bigger deal would be all the empty single seats going on out B&M coasters at big parks on busy days (like 12 empty seats on Raging Bull, on a busy Saturday in July). I don't see anyone challenging that issue  In regards to Flying Turns, it's far from a cheap shot. That "project" is comical/ridiculous and deserves every ounce of criticism it gets. I remember hoping to ride it before I graduated high school and left the area, and that was in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) I think what has made both projects so HOT when they were announced is that they were both something very different. Not another B&M or Intamin... but rather things that haven't been done before - which is the reason they are taking so long. After the first 2 or 3 years, I kinda "got over it." I'm still excited and disappointed, but not much I can do. I just tell myself they will be worth the wait. Â Good thing for Arrow that the internet wasn't around when they were promoting their "pipeline" coaster in the 80s. Not that Arrow has ever had a super popular/squeeky-clean image. Edited May 7, 2013 by GayCoasterGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Maven Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Actually, this whole thing was designed just to irritate you guys ... Â I would have thought you'd have figured that out by now. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 ^It worked, obviously I still find shoulder bars, ratcheting "vests" and 12 empty seats going out on B&m coasters (on a busy day) more irritating. Â Holiday World continually serves up excellent service, seemingly outdoing itself every year. So for some of us, the Timberliner issue ain't stopping our visits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Maven Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I still find shoulder bars, ratcheting "vests" and 12 empty seats going out on B&m coasters (on a busy day) more irritating. Â Well, dang. Is that a challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Doh! I little birdy once told me HW would seek a steel/looper with lap bars only - when they were ready to do so. So I don't think the over the shoulder annoyance will be a problem. I hope anyway! Â But if it's a B&M coaster, I have a feeling the awesomely trained HW ride ops would find a way to fill most seats. To their credit, hasn't Magic Mountain started trying out single rider lines? (I know, wrong thread, but someone will know.) Edited May 7, 2013 by GayCoasterGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy T. Koepp Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Actually, this whole thing was designed just to irritate you guys ... I would have thought you'd have figured that out by now.   Mission Accomplished! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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