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As for downtime, its a new ride, that may be why its "expected" to be having issue like it is.

Really? I'm fine with occasional downtime throughout the day. But I do not expect this:

Due to technical difficulties, Verbolten will not be operational Monday and Tuesday (June 11 & 12). We apologize for any inconvenience.

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I rode it twice during the Passholder ERT this morning. They were late getting it going because of problems the night before, and it went down again (for the day) at about the time the park opened. They hope to have it running again tomorrow.

 

There is a huge difference between having a couple hours of downtime each day, and full out not operating for the vast majority of the day.

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While Verbolten has experienced quite an amount of downtime (which I find rather rediculous), it's still doing better than its piece of crap neighbor Mach Tower did last year...

 

I give BGW credit for giving these smaller companies (Moser and Zierer) a chance, but it seems like they have had tons of troubles.

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I'm quite happy that they didn't just build a clone of a ride they have somewhere else. Verbolten is unique and a lot of fun--but they need to get the kinks worked out (with the help of Zierer).

 

You can do all the pre-testing you want--the true test is when you finally put butts in the seats.

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While Verbolten has experienced quite an amount of downtime (which I find rather rediculous), it's still doing better than its piece of crap neighbor Mach Tower did last year...

 

I give BGW credit for giving these smaller companies (Moser and Zierer) a chance, but it seems like they have had tons of troubles.

 

Williamsburg seems like they have had an ongoing problem with choosing the correct manufacturer for quite some time. Choose one company to build Drachen Fire, not 2. Use a proven drop tower company like Intamin, not someone new. Use a company with proven drop and launch technology, like Intamin for Verbolten, not someone new. I was there last Monday and I was so disappointed Mach Tower and especially Verbolten were both down. Had I known that, I may not have gone. Verbolten opened before X flight and Skyrush and both of those have been open when I have gone this year. As an outsider who only gets to Busch once every few years, this park badly needs more to do. It needs to catch up to Tampa. Having these 3 rides, plus the mouse that got sent away would help a lot.

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^Does BGW really need to "catch up to Tampa"? Remember, BGW is a seasonal park (despite the introduction of Christmas Town), and the only real competition it has in the state is Kings Dominion (and the two parks tend to complement each other). BGW seems to please its audience pretty well; Tampa needs to do more to better compete with the Orlando parks (and has been pretty successful at it).

 

And I'm quite happy to have "traded" the Wilde Maus for Curse of DarKastle, an attraction that's unique for this region (as is Verbolten, for that matter).

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^More like the "Summer of DarKastle," which had plenty of issues during its first season, too.

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I didn't know about the trade for DarKastle, so yes that was a good one. Does DarKastle still have problems? My second trip on it had several things missing that were in the first trip.

Busch spent a ridiculous $54 million on Verbolten, which seems way more than Intamin would have charged. Thirteen at Alton towers only cost $15 million. It's also been open around 10 weeks when I went. It would have been one thing to be shut down for a couple of hours or so, but not at least 2 days straight.

I had a great time at Busch. But 4 of the other people I went with will probably never be there again and Verbolten was something we all were looking very forward to riding.

I still would like to see one more major attraction added there soon, whether it be another coaster or especially a dark ride. There have been rumors of another dark ride and year round operation on BGW fans.

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^DarKastle went through a rehab last year, so it's doing quite well. Verbolten, according to what the park said at media day, is now the park's most complex attraction.

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Over the years that I've found and looked at who all the different ride manufacturers were and what they offer I always wonder why some parks go with certain companies over others for their new rides. I'm sure price has something to do with it but I also figure it's a chance for a new or lesser known company to finally get some attention they might not otherwise get.

 

I sort of thought it was strange BGW went with Moser for Mach Tower over Intamin but I thought it was a great move, despite the problems with Verbolten, that Zierer finally got the opportunity to get away from its Tivoli coaster image and join the big boys. It's nice to finally have a company that could easily stand along with Intamin and B&M (though they have a little ways to go to reach that pinnacle).

 

I only got to ride Verbolten three times when I was there a few weeks ago and thought it was a very good ride, definitely on the border line of family coaster. Very smooth, two nice launches with a hint of intensity, and a surprisingly potent freefall track section in darkness. I hope we'll see more Zierer coasters in the future.

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Price is a big reason why I wonder why Busch went with Zierer. Had they gone with a proven Intamin design, it likely would have been less than $20 million for the coaster, plus something extra for the themeing. It seems to me that Busch got ripped off. They payed way too much and got a product that has too many problems. I don't know how much the themeing cost for Verbolten, but $10 million can buy a lot. So how much did Busch pay for just the coaster? They spent $54 million.

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^ I believe the actual price for Thirteen was 15 million Euros which is nearly 19 million USD. Also, don't forget that Verbotlen has 2 launches instead of a tire driven lift hill and is a longer ride (I think).

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Wanted to share a new "nickname" for BGW's new multi-launch coaster...

 

Verbroken

 

 

 

You now, it IS possible that it would not have made any difference who they went with as if this was some crazy unforseen problem that came up, it could have happened with Intamin, or ANYBODY else. You know, stuff happens and sometimes out of the control of anybody. I don't think I would say they were wrong to go with this company or even that they got 'ripped off', it's too early to tell and that is just not fair. If this had been built by Intamin and this downtime issue happened, would you be saying they went with the wrong company, or should have picked one with proven technology, or got ripped off? No, I don't think so. Let's be fair about this. Yeah downtimes suck especially when they are frequent and excessive but THIS IS STILL A BRAND NEW RIDE so stuff like this can happen until it is worked out. Yes, I would be annoyed by it but I would not start bashing the park for 'picking the wrong manufacturer' or the company that built it as you just don't really know.... do you?

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Isn't Thirteen's drop section actually NOT a true free fall, anyway? I thought I heard something along those lines a while ago, but I'm not sure.

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Price is a big reason why I wonder why Busch went with Zierer. Had they gone with a proven Intamin design, it likely would have been less than $20 million for the coaster, plus something extra for the themeing. It seems to me that Busch got ripped off. They payed way too much and got a product that has too many problems. I don't know how much the themeing cost for Verbolten, but $10 million can buy a lot. So how much did Busch pay for just the coaster? They spent $54 million.

 

But is the Intamin design "proven"? To the best of my knowledge, Intamin has built only one of these coasters with a drop element--Thir3een. And, as it's been pointed out elsewhere, Verbolten is quite a different ride. I think it's way too early to say that BGW was "ripped off"; then again, everyone on the Internet is an "expert," right?

 

You're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to disagree with it.

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^For the record Zierer has two drop coasters to Intamin's one, so you can't say that they haven't done this before either.

 

People are acting like these technical problems are the end of the world and that these kind of additions should work without hitch from day one. It isn't just a couple of cogs and wheels that make this coaster work. It is a very large and sophisticated piece of working machinery... Let's cut Busch Gardens some slack. Like they did with Mach Tower, I'm sure they'll get everything in working order soon enough.

 

It still baffles me that people find reason to complain so quickly over a brand new coaster...

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Brand new rides have downtime? That has never happened in the history of this industry.

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The problems they have been having were to be expected. No need for that "nickname"

I'm completely shocked the fanboys haven't torn this ride's reputation to shreds. I don't remember any other ride in recent history having as frequent, multi-day closures. Not to say the name should or shouldn't be used, but Verbolten closing for a whole day should not "be expected"

Actually BGWFans does have a habit of going into complaint mode when the ride shuts down.

 

That being said. Surprisingly enough, the coaster has had some pretty solid uptime since it first opened despie its rather moody behavior as of recently.

 

I'm pretty satisfied that BGW went with Zierer on this project, giving us a great coaster filled with theming, nice forces, and some unique elements. A coaster like this probably has thousands of moving parts, which means that there is a high chance of breakdowns. Intamin or not. That probably doesn't include all the special effects throughout the ride.

 

Edit... When did that word filter appear? Its actually kinda funny.

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Doesn't everyone remember how much of the time Thi3teen was down it's first year? It was a crapshoot whether or not it would be working for quite a while. These are complicated rides and have many more systems that can have something go wrong.

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Edit... When did that word filter appear? Its actually kinda funny.

 

It has a long, rich history.

 

Yes, Verbolten has had first-season issues, but the looks on the faces of people on the last brake run behind the station tell me that people like it quite bit (lots of laughing and smiling).

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^The reactions of people on the brake run are my favorite part about standing in line. Once you hit the between-the-offices portion of the queue, it's always fun to play the game of "How many people do the drop with their hand?" You're almost guaranteed that at least one or two people turn to the person next to them and put their hand up, then drop it. People love this thing - myself included. Hopefully they can work out the major kinks sooner than later!

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