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8 hours ago, mikeykaise said:

yeah not the most exciting announcement.

Tell me you don't have a young kid without telling me you don't have a young kid.

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On 3/8/2024 at 8:36 PM, prozach626 said:

Tell me you don't have a young kid without telling me you don't have a young kid.

I wish my 2 sons were still young but both are in their 20's now. I miss that young kid energy.

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It's hard work, though. But, I'm sure you remember when small things like this brought a lot of excitement. We live four hours away and I told my wife about it. It's pretty likely it will draw us in all the way from St. Louis for an easy weekend trip. Eve will be four, so we're right in the wheelhouse. 

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On 3/8/2024 at 7:36 PM, prozach626 said:

Tell me you don't have a young kid without telling me you don't have a young kid.

Eh, depends on the kid. My son even when he was little always got way more excited about Halloween than he did Christmas. Don't get me wrong I'm not pooping on their event. I hope it's successful and if that's worth it to you than by all means I hope your daughter gets great joy out of it. But clearly most people were hoping for the T4 announcement over an event 🤨 And I can't see a lot of people traveling long distances to do a Christmas event but hopefully the locals turn out for it. They sure didn't at SFSTL even though they all say it was so great.

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I miss Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom. If that op didn't let a girl's foot get MUTILATED, then we would've still had it.

When Herschend bought the park 3 years ago, one of the comments on the announcement was "Just be glad Six Flags didn't buy them again." I was outraged. I actually LOVE Six Flags, and I'm always sad when they lose a park. It's either one of those "SF = bad, everything else = good" entitled thoosies, or someone who judged the park entirely on the drop tower incident.

Of course, I really only care about Six Flags because of DC.

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9 minutes ago, DannySixFlags said:

I miss Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom. If that op didn't let a girl's foot get MUTILATED, then we would've still had it.

When Herschend bought the park 3 years ago, one of the comments on the announcement was "Just be glad Six Flags didn't buy them again." I was outraged. I actually LOVE Six Flags, and I'm always sad when they lose a park. It's either one of those "SF = bad, everything else = good" entitled thoosies, or someone who judged the park entirely on the drop tower incident.

Of course, I really only care about Six Flags because of DC.

That was part of the issue but the main issue is Six Flags and the Fairboard had a blowout over the leasing and Six Flags basically said screw you we're out of here and vacated the premises. The Kochs dropped their interest as well for the same reasons when they were thinking about taking it over after it was abandoned.

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en·ti·tled

adjective

believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.

"kids who feel so entitled and think the world will revolve around them"

 

Explain to me how someone is entitled because they don't like Six Flags parks, or at least compared to other parks. 

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On 3/28/2024 at 10:37 PM, prozach626 said:

en·ti·tled

adjective

believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.

"kids who feel so entitled and think the world will revolve around them"

 

Explain to me how someone is entitled because they don't like Six Flags parks, or at least compared to other parks. 

They hated Six Flags parks for adding flat rides instead of new coasters and using the DC theme too much (I love DC.) But I just realized that definition also describes me (though I'm nice about it.)

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It doesn't describe you at all, because nothing says that you not liking something makes you entitled. You shouldn't be expected to like a product. It's the job of Six Flags to find acceptability from the consumer. It's not the consumer's job to be automatically accepting to the product.

 

Organizations throughout the world have convinced the masses that their expectations need to be lower. Businesses, governments, social organizations, etc. It has become sinfull to want more.

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The seasonal events are nice additions, but I'm honestly skeptical about this park's future. Read an article from Louisville Business First where the park's general manager suggested that they plan to focus on "minor repairs" to the park instead of major additions, so it seems Herschend plans to treat Kentucky Kingdom more like Wild Adventures and not Dollywood/SDC. Also leaving T3 SBNO doesn't look like a sign that they're eager to invest in the property.

Maybe their plan for Kentucky Kingdom will work, but for a park like this with many weaknesses in a competitive regional market, I don't see how they could ever break 1 million visitors in a season like they used to back in the 90s, or even turn out solid revenue (because as far as I've seen this park hasn't really made a profit since it reopened 10 years ago).

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7 hours ago, thepoint4life23 said:

What makes you say the future doesn't look bright for the park? 

The park has many weaknesses.

#1: Its competitors (such as Holiday World and Kings Island) have more room to expand, while Kentucky Kingdom's size if it uses all the land for expansion, would be around 80 acres, far smaller than those two other parks.

#2: Height restrictions, given its proximity to the airport, restrict KK from ever building attractions taller than 150 feet (which, as far as I'm aware, is the max height they're allowed to build), which limits the park if they ever plan/want to compete by building new thrill rides as they did during the 1990s.

#3: (This is a minor one, but no one I've seen really talks about it as a negative) The park layout is terrible. The road cutting the park in half, King Louies Playland being in the middle of the front half of the park, and Hurricane Bay being in the middle of the second half of the park make KK unnecessarily difficult to navigate (especially when compared to Kings Island, for example). The back half specifically feels dead in most places, such as the area between Thunder Run and Taco Tequila, which is connected by a long, narrow path, with only one attraction (Raging River Rapids Ride) and almost nothing going on back there.

#4: KK, despite its best efforts, has so far struggled to make a profit. When Hart reopened the park in 2014, he believed that KK in the 2010s could have 1.2 million visitors in a season, which were the same attendance numbers from the '97 season. These days, Kentucky Kingdom gets around 700k visitors per season, which is not terrible, but far less than its competitors who average over 1 million guests per year. The issues with making a profit limited the park in the 2010s when it came to new additions (such as not being able to afford a dueling RMC, instead opting for a single-track Storm Chaser). The emergence of Holiday World may be a reason to blame their attendance struggles, as I know that park has taken a large bite out of out-of-state visitors who now go to Santa Claus and not Louisville,

I should mention the park of course also has its strengths, its location in Louisville and friendly relations with the local and state governments definitely help it. But barring some serious investment from Herschend or some other operator, I don't understand how Kentucky Kingdom can stay open without heavily relying on the state and local governments to help bear the cost of keeping the place afloat. Although I wouldn't entirely blame Herschend's few investments for the current state of the park, because aside from the 1990s when Paramount was not expanding Kings Island as much and Holiday World was not much of a competitor, it seems that Kentucky Kingdom has struggled to really compete as a regional amusement park.

 

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On 5/4/2024 at 10:43 PM, realKyle said:

Read an article from Louisville Business First where the park's general manager suggested that they plan to focus on "minor repairs" to the park instead of major additions

Sounds like every other season at SFSTL.

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I'd be curious as to what HFE paid for the park. IIRC the final purchase price was to be determined a few years down the road based on how the park performed. When Ed Hart sold the park originally to Premier no cash changed hands...Premier assumed the $60+ million in debt the park had at the time. Makes me wonder if they ever really turned much of a profit.

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