BEAMER3K Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 Hello guys, i'm new here. I have a question for all you B&M fanatics. Do you think we'll see a B&M coaster larger than say Nitro, Diamond Back and Silver Star? Silver Star is 240 feet tall but only has a 220 ft. drop. Do you think we'll see larger B&M hyper coasters?Or even possibly a giga coaster by them? If Intamin can build 300ft. monsters, so can B&M right?
Olov Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 But they also cost considerable more so it'll be up to a rich park owner to decide if it's money well spent.
Nosferatu Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 I don't really think we'll be seeing anything that high from B&M. First of all they tend to stick to what they know, and building that high brings up a lot of factors. Also I think they said sometime that they never would go above 290 feet. And imagine the costs of such a coaster. Beemers are already some of the most expensive coasters around
tkkyj Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 It depends... maybe if the bad economy resulted in lower steel prices? I don't know if that's true or not, but it seems possible. Otherwise, I think we're may be more likely to see record-breaking heights with wood.
atem122 Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 I doubt B&M would ever do that, hell even their mega coasters tend to stay in the low 200s
Darien Laker Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 I'm sure it's possible for B&M to build a Giga, possibly better than what Intamin and Morgan have given us, but.... When Millennium Force and SD2K were built, there was a lot more hype around them because they each opened as the tallest coaster in the world, with SD2K replacing MF's record. But now there are full-ciruit coasters that go over 400 feet. For a park to build a giga-coaster now, it would just be a rediculously expensive investment, with no height records being broken. A park can get just as good/popular of a ride from a hyper as they can from a giga, but for far less money.
viking86 Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 If you ask me there are no reasons why B&M cant build a gigacoaster. Im positive they could do it without any problems. However I cant see any parks wanting one when they can get a 200 ft version for far less money and the difference in popularity would be very small if any at all.
netdvn Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 Short answer... No Long Answer... B&M is a highly conservative coaster company. They tend to create designs based on tried and true coaster methods. Most of their coaster designs are train modifications (DM, Stand Up, Floorless, Hyper) and they don't like pushing the limits like other companies. That's why their coasters are very reliable and cause fewer accidents.
typo86 Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 The only way I see a B&M coaster getting close to giga status would be in the terrain form where the 300' drop would be down a hill side. They would probably never build a coaster that approaches 300' in height...
TYTL Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 The only way I see a B&M coaster getting close to giga status would be in the terrain form where the 300' drop would be down a hill side, they would probably never built a coaster that approaches 300' in height... That sounds about right. B&M always plays it safe. They just do that to protect from lawsuits.
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 I think we'll see B&M build a woodie or an aquatrax before the build a giga coaster...
Crazy_Behemoth_Lady_Jess Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 I'm surprized B&M hasn't built a woodie yet, the closest they've gotten is building trains for a woodie. Perhaps they just like the feel of steel better? I don't think B&M wants to go above the 300 ft mark. They just are so careful when it comes to touching anything "beyond traditional" due to "reliability issues". Like when they built The Incredible Hulk, they asked another company to built the launch track.
atem122 Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 I think the reason B&M hasnt built a woodie is because they are a lot less reliable, unless they make their own kind of PnP track
downunder Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 From what I gather B & M are not interested in building 300 foot plus coasters, I reckon if someone asked they would say no. They're not the only company that sets parameters around their product offerings. At the TPR tour Q & A at the GCI factory I asked them if someone enquired about building a 200 foot woodie would they do it, and they said they wouldn't, they don't think wood coasters work well at that size. I think every company has a philosophy about what they think works and what kind of projects they are prepared to take on. I like Intamin because they are prepared to experiment, even if the coasters are riskier in terms of reliability sometimes.
DBru Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 ^Actually, I find GCI to be the B&M of wooden coasters---fun and smooth, but nothing special. Other than them, I can't think of any companies that really set much of a limit on what they will design. Obviously, TGG and Intamin are pushing coaster limits, and with Vekoma's new track and train systems, who knows what they will be able to accomplish...
Crazy_Behemoth_Lady_Jess Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 I believe Gerstlauer and Mauer are also pushing limits too with the Eurofighter and the X-car layouts. The vertical lift hill and "beyond vertical drop" and the inverted lift hill on X-car coasters. B&M kinda broke tradition when they came up with the Dive Machine. As I don't think any other company attempted an 89 degree drop (Oblivion) before that. Other than that, I see B&M as being "too conservative" with what they build.
atem122 Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 ^I'm not sure that the dive machine was that revolutionary, they basically took their sit down coaster, extended the trains, and made it go vertical, the only new piece of equipment that may have been challenging was the holding brake, other than that it's mainly just slightly up-scaled B&M
Josh Linn Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 I'm sure if a park came to them with the $30+ million it'd take to build one, they would. There's just very few, if any parks that have the room or budget to build something so large.
Ed Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 Naah B&M are too boring to do anything like that. Hell they have to trim their own rides even before they start testing..
aj2009 Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 From what I gather B & M are not interested in building 300 foot plus coasters, I reckon if someone asked they would say no. You're probably right, but if someone asked them to build - say a 328' tall coaster, they'd probably say yes.
tkkyj Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 if someone asked them to build - say a 328' tall coaster, they'd probably say yes. Now that's a peculiar figure to throw out there... what else do you know?
BEAMER3K Posted June 3, 2009 Author Posted June 3, 2009 if someone asked them to build - say a 328' tall coaster, they'd probably say yes. Now that's a peculiar figure to throw out there... what else do you know? Well, I know that B&M have some mysterious yellow track at their plant in Ohio, and some mystery supports have shown up at King's Dominion. Now, I doubt that KD would be getting a B&M coaster, but you never know!? B&M are up to something...
TYTL Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 if someone asked them to build - say a 328' tall coaster, they'd probably say yes. Now that's a peculiar figure to throw out there... what else do you know? Well, I know that B&M have some mysterious yellow track at their plant in Ohio, and some mystery supports have shown up at King's Dominion. Now, I doubt that KD would be getting a B&M coaster, but you never know!? B&M are up to something... The mounting brackets aren't the same shape. The ones on the tracks are square. The ones on the supports are circular.
coasterbear30 Posted June 4, 2009 Posted June 4, 2009 Well I will just say that I heard some news from someone in the industry and I think we are all going to be pleasantly surprised at what we will see Carowinds getting next year!!!
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