Credit Question?

[Speeddeamon128]

Besides riding a coaster you haven't ridden before is there a way to get new credits? With Medusa (GADV) & Superman: Ride of Steel (SFNE) changing to Bizarro should they be considered new credits? I personally don't think so. They are the same layout with a new color, theme, & effects. X2 was not considered a new credit so I don't think the Bizarros should be. However would you consider Batman & Robin: The Chiller four credits? When the coasters had the Zero-G rolls they were two different credits. However when the Zero-G rolls were removed the layout was changed so should the ride without Zero-G rolls be considered a new credit? Was Phantom's Revenge a new credit after Steel Phantom got its inversions removed? Obviously Batman & Robin: The Chiller is no longer standing but it has been on my mind for a few days & I thought I should bring it up.

[CP_RULES]

Each person counts credits differently, though I believe a coaster is only a new credit if the layout is different. In the case of Chiller and SOB, there is only an element change, not a layout change. I believe layout changes are new credits (Steel Phantom to Phantom's Revenge), but element changes (SOB, Chiller, Texas Rattler) and theme changes (X2, Medusa, Superman) are not.

[andyuk200523]

I think what has been said above is a good guide to gaining credits,

 

For Instance, at my local park Pleasurewood Hills, their Zierer Family coaster has had 3 names (The Ladybird, The Rattlesnake and now Snake in the Grass) It is however, only one credit, however Phantoms Revenge/Steel Phantom is definatly 2 seperate credits as the ride has substantially changed.

 

This is definatly the way I score my credits.

[astroworldfan1]

I recount coasters that have been repainted and renamed. There's nothing different about them than there was the first time you rode it.

 

-Tatum

[Electerik]

As with all questions regarding "credits," it's entirely up to you.

 

Personally, I would count something like Steel Phantom/Phantom's Revenge as two different rides, but I would only count Superman/Bizarro as one.

 

I think this type of question springs from people wanting to be honest about their count--and that's cool--but there really isn't any sort of agreed upon standard.

 

Just don't get hung up on wether or not someone else has more credits than you and it probably won't matter.

 

<-- Counts Colossus as two, but Superman The Escape as one.

<-- And doesn't even pretend that that makes sense.

[CreditCrazy]

Each person counts credits differently, though I believe a coaster is only a new credit if the layout is different. In the case of Chiller and SOB, there is only an element change, not a layout change. I believe layout changes are new credits (Steel Phantom to Phantom's Revenge), but element changes (SOB, Chiller, Texas Rattler) and theme changes (X2, Medusa, Superman) are not.

 

That's exactly how I count credits. And I also count ALL racing/dueling coasters as two credits. That means you too, Superman: The Escape.

[angryemobeaver]

I count relocated coasters. I count Dueling/Racing Coasters as two. And I would count heavily modified coasters (Steal Phantom-Phantoms Revenge.) But when it's nothing too major like Son of Beast, or Bizzaros, I wouldn't recount them since they are the same coaster, just different effects/ new trains.

[downunder]

I just count whatever is on coastercounter.com which means I miss a few local carnie coasters but that's my way of doing it, I like that method because it kind of validates my coaster count.

 

I really like the coaster fanatics counter but it misses some international coasters that coastercounter has.

[Speeddeamon128]

That's exactly how I count credits. And I also count ALL racing/dueling coasters as two credits. That means you too, Superman: The Escape.

 

I count Racing/Dueling coasters as two credits as well. I even count clones like crappy SLCs, Boomerangs, & Batman: The Rides. Thanks for the comments guys. I guess everyone counts credits differently. I use whatever is on CoasterFanatics.

[Angry_Gumball]

So, something like SFDK's Vertical Velocity...kinda had a drastic chage though it was an element...Vertical spiral transformed to inline twist at 45 degrees, then straight-away over park entrance, rear spike lowered 30 feet...would this count, or am I getting desperate and trying to find ways to bump up my mere 30 coasters?

[downunder]

So, something like SFDK's Vertical Velocity...kinda had a drastic chage though it was an element...Vertical spiral transformed to inline twist at 45 degrees, then straight-away over park entrance, rear spike lowered 30 feet...would this count, or am I getting desperate and trying to find ways to bump up my mere 30 coasters?

 

I think Jeff Johnson credit counting method may help you - you'll go from 30 credits to 30,000 in a matter of seconds.

 

Hopefully one day the great man will articulate in full his credit counting method - once mathematicians have created a large enough number to arrive at the JJ credit count.

[Crazy_Behemoth_Lady_Jess]

Personally I do not count modifications to a coaster I've already ridden a "new ride". I just go by, once I've ridden it, new paint or new trains, no new credit. Even name changes don't count for me.

 

I also count dueling and racing coasters as 2 seperate too. That means I'll write them down as 2 seperate entries in my notebook. Although I"m a dueling and racing coaster virgin at the moment!

[Goliath513]

I go by whatever Coastercounter says. It's simple and straight forward. As Brent said, it doesn't track the traveling carnival coasters, but that makes up for racing coasters, clones and relocated ones that count as multiple credits.

 

The example of SFDK's V2 is great for this. Having ridden the original version and the current one, I still only count it as one credit even though the layout has been very much altered, newly repainted, and is basically a completely different ride from when it opened. At the same time, I count rides like Colossus, Lightning Racer, Superman the Escape (still have yet to ride the right track), and Rebel Yell as two credits each.

 

I won't count new trains, retheme, for a ride as a new credit, unless the ride has been relocated (like Carolina Cobra). So when I ride X2, I will not add that to my count. However, if I ever do get out to Carowinds, I will count Nighthawk as a new credit even though I rode it when it was Stealth.

 

If a ride is retracked, I won't count that unless the old track is entirely torn out and replaced all at once. By this method, I count Space Mountain at DLR as two credits since the new track is basically a new coaster.

 

However, if this were Jeff Johnson, each seat at different time of day would be a new credit. So take a 28 seat coaster and 12 hours of the park being open, you got 336 possible credits for a single standard Vekoma Boomerang.

[downunder]

^I totally count relocations, I've got several doubles but I will get a triple this year - a Vekoma Boomerang ridden in Brisbane, Sydney, and in 2009, Alabama.

[Team Thriller]

I would think so. IM0, I count it a new coaster credit when the ride experience is different.

So I would count X2 a new credit. Same with Bizzaro. Also, even if it is one element that is different, I count it cause it is a new experience.

 

--James

[hansrubens]

I only count them when they are added on Coasterfanatics as a new ride.

 

----Hans

[The Disneylander]

The Coasterfanatics coaster counter is very inaccurate. Some coasters aren't even listed, and some rides that wouldn't count as coasters under any circumstances (for example, Perilous Plunge) are listed under the coasters section, so it kinda screws up your count.

 

As for Jeff Johnson, let's just say that NASA hasn't come up with a number big enough to fully articulate his count. The JJ Method:

 

# of coasters ridden * number of wheels * number of seats * times ridden * incarnations * # of trains = JJ Count.

 

 

[Hercules]

It really all just depends on what you want to do. I know a person that counts new paint, new restraints, even just a new name as a new credit (he was pissed that he didn't get to ride Hellcat as Puma because, well it didn't open as Puma at any point - yes, he counts Tsunami, J2 and Hellcat as 3 credits).

 

Personally, I don't really give a &$^# about a my credit count, or anyone else's. I'm just in this to have some fun and make friends along the way.

[CoasterFanatic]

The Coasterfanatics coaster counter is very inaccurate. Some coasters aren't even listed, and some rides that wouldn't count as coasters under any circumstances (for example, Perilous Plunge) are listed under the coasters section, so it kinda screws up your count.

 

Mostly things like Plunge are included only because I like to give people the option of ranking anything they want. I say ... let the people decide what is a credit and what is not.

 

If there are any coasters missing, just email them to info@coasterfanatics.com and they will be added.

[OldJJman]

The JJ Method:

 

# of coasters ridden * number of wheels * number of seats * times ridden * incarnations * # of trains = JJ Count.

 

Wow. You forgot quite a bit:

 

 

Time of day (morning, noon, evening, night)

 

Paint scheme (original, themed, newest, restored)

 

Weather (sunny, partly cloudy, cloudy, wind, rain, hail, now, tornado watch...)

 

Ride op (male, female, hermaphrodite, cousin it)

 

Name change (Superman/Bizarro)

 

Parks' name changed (Geauga Lake, SFO, SFWoA, etc...)

 

ETC... (too much criteria to adequately mention)

 

In other words;

 

EPIC FAIL!

 

 

JJ

 

 

(For the record, my last credit was "Spinning Coaster" at Cosmoworld. Credit #933.)

[sixflagsguy5]

It's really your call. There isn't an official way to count, because so many people disagree on what counts and what doesn't.

 

For your question my opinion is that only major relocations should count. For example Steel Phantom --> Phantom's Revenge and Buzzsaw Falls --> Powder Keg. Those two are pretty much two totally different rides and they only kept a small portion of the old track. I've never been on rides with minor changes (ex Batman and Robin the chiller or Demon), so I don't really have an opinion on that.

 

For other things such as Water coasters, alpine, and butterfly, I count all of those. I only count relocated coasters once, even if I rode it at multiple locations.

 

Hope this helps...

[tedten]

2 CREDIT QUESTIONS:

 

I obviously count (willard's) whizzer @ SFGAm as a credit as does probably everyone else. I was just wondering if there were any purists who don't count whizzer as a credit for the fact that it has a motor in the front car that pulls it to the top of the spiral lift. Of course it shuts off at the top (you can hear it shut off) and it uses gravity to make it through the rest of the course (therefore a coaster by most people's definition).

 

When you think about it Superman at Magic Mountain must be considered a credit. The two arguments would be the method of acceleration, and the fact it traverses the same track twice (shuttle coaster).

If Kingda Ka, rocket coasters, Flight of fear, and all other launched coasters are credits Superman can't be held out for that reason. And If DeJaVu, Wicked Twister, shuttle loops, and boomerangs are counted than it can't be held out for that reason either. I fail to see how Superman differs from wicked twister besides two spikes vs. one tower.

 

Just curious about what positions/stances this might bring up.

[andyuk200523]

In my personal opinion V2 cannot be counted twice as it was purely reprofiling work (in theory), the elements are the same, just at a different angle!!

[Carnage]

I obviously count (willard's) whizzer @ SFGAm as a credit as does probably everyone else. I was just wondering if there were any purists who don't count whizzer as a credit for the fact that it has a motor in the front car that pulls it to the top of the spiral lift. Of course it shuts off at the top (you can hear it shut off) and it uses gravity to make it through the rest of the course (therefore a coaster by most people's definition).

 

When you think about it Superman at Magic Mountain must be considered a credit. The two arguments would be the method of acceleration, and the fact it traverses the same track twice (shuttle coaster).

 

As far as what to count, and what not to count, I personally just make a judgment call. Basically I go by "if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck".

 

That's why I have no problem counting powered coasters. The fact that it doesn't coast under it's own power doesn't mean anything to me.

[netdvn]

^ What about a guy in a duck suit?

 

Honestly though, both Whizzer and S:TE are considered coasters IMO. Both roll and coast, but Whizzer is full-circuit while S:TE is a shuttle.

 

The only difference between S:TE and WT is the fact that S:TE uses LIMs, is a lot taller, is not inverted, and doesn't have a twisted spike.