Password121 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 ^I don't have any numbers but I don't see Diamondback coming anywhere remotely close to 1500 an hour since the addition of seatbelts. And Banshee is good, but they'd have to do 54 trains in an hour to get 1700, which I'd guess has happened maybe once in three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knaiwear Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 1200 is pretty reasonable, a dispatch every 72 seconds. Since they'll be able to run three trains they should never have to wait for a train to finish the course, one will always be ready. Unfortunately this (like many GCIs) has a turn between the waiting block and the station which takes a big chunk out of the possible load time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&MBoy1982 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I've never been impressed by WOF operations during any of my visits. I'm hoping Mystic Timbers will pump trains out similar to Banshee. If the crew KI assigned to Banshee when it was their new star attraction will be any indication of the kind of crew they will assign to Mystic Timbers, I think we'll be a lot better off than Prowler. Also, doesn't Prowler have two trains and isn't Mystic Timbers getting three? I was more so referring to the efficiency numbers. A few sources have noted that most GCIs somewhat similar to MT run around 800-1000 riders per hour. Granted, that's best case scenario, so I wasn't factoring in how the staff runs their rides. But considering KI regularly runs Diamondback around 1,500 with bins, and has Banshee knocking on the door of 1,700 without them, I'm sure Mystic Timbers should be able to run at or near the (estimated by KI) capacity of 1,200 rph. The most we've ever done at Banshee was in August 2014. We sent 53 trains with 1,604 riders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&MBoy1982 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 ^I don't have any numbers but I don't see Diamondback coming anywhere remotely close to 1500 an hour since the addition of seatbelts. And Banshee is good, but they'd have to do 54 trains in an hour to get 1700, which I'd guess has happened maybe once in three years. See my post above this one. It is very possible at Banshee. Everything has to be running very smoothly. From the entrance to the separator to the bar checkers to the exit. As soon as the train stops, the bar checkers need to be in that train opening the seats, and ushering guests out and in. Some may have notices the lift has several speeds. If we can get a train out of the station right at 20 seconds after the scream it will literally crawl up the lift. I say this all the time. The longer the train is on the lift, the longer we have in the station to check seats. I am very proud of the work the Banshee crews have done. In 2017 I am hoping to be placed at Mystic, but will still be happy if I am placed at Banshee again. Maybe do a season at Mystic then go back to Banshee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Password121 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 ^I don't have any numbers but I don't see Diamondback coming anywhere remotely close to 1500 an hour since the addition of seatbelts. And Banshee is good, but they'd have to do 54 trains in an hour to get 1700, which I'd guess has happened maybe once in three years. See my post above this one. It is very possible at Banshee. Everything has to be running very smoothly. From the entrance to the separator to the bar checkers to the exit. As soon as the train stops, the bar checkers need to be in that train opening the seats, and ushering guests out and in. Some may have notices the lift has several speeds. If we can get a train out of the station right at 20 seconds after the scream it will literally crawl up the lift. I say this all the time. The longer the train is on the lift, the longer we have in the station to check seats. I am very proud of the work the Banshee crews have done. In 2017 I am hoping to be placed at Mystic, but will still be happy if I am placed at Banshee again. Maybe do a season at Mystic then go back to Banshee. Absolutely, I saw your post in the "favorite ride to operate" thread. Really interesting stuff, thanks for that. But the reality is that the majority of the time, you're not sending out 53 trains in an hour. You don't determine an average capacity based on what the ride could theoretically do that's really only been done for one hour in a ride's debut year. In most cases, I'd assume sending out somewhere closer to 45 trains in an hour (just a rough estimate), which is still really good. It's just not fair to say that Mystic Timbers' line will move 50% faster than Prowler's because Banshee's crew hit theoretical capacity once. It's just not gonna happen all the time, though I'm sure Mystic will be a little more efficient than Prowler--just not 15 trains an hour faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummermattk Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Work is beginning on the back half! Also as the reapplying has started for KI next year, I am hoping to be placed on either Timbers, Banshee or Dback! Im still sticking with the rumor i heard about no bins at Dback, and i hope it happens! photo creds to the park's instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricUncleSam Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 ^I don't have any numbers but I don't see Diamondback coming anywhere remotely close to 1500 an hour since the addition of seatbelts. And Banshee is good, but they'd have to do 54 trains in an hour to get 1700, which I'd guess has happened maybe once in three years. See my post above this one. It is very possible at Banshee. Everything has to be running very smoothly. From the entrance to the separator to the bar checkers to the exit. As soon as the train stops, the bar checkers need to be in that train opening the seats, and ushering guests out and in. Some may have notices the lift has several speeds. If we can get a train out of the station right at 20 seconds after the scream it will literally crawl up the lift. I say this all the time. The longer the train is on the lift, the longer we have in the station to check seats. I am very proud of the work the Banshee crews have done. In 2017 I am hoping to be placed at Mystic, but will still be happy if I am placed at Banshee again. Maybe do a season at Mystic then go back to Banshee. Absolutely, I saw your post in the "favorite ride to operate" thread. Really interesting stuff, thanks for that. But the reality is that the majority of the time, you're not sending out 53 trains in an hour. You don't determine an average capacity based on what the ride could theoretically do that's really only been done for one hour in a ride's debut year. In most cases, I'd assume sending out somewhere closer to 45 trains in an hour (just a rough estimate), which is still really good. It's just not fair to say that Mystic Timbers' line will move 50% faster than Prowler's because Banshee's crew hit theoretical capacity once. It's just not gonna happen all the time, though I'm sure Mystic will be a little more efficient than Prowler--just not 15 trains an hour faster. Speaking of high capacity, I vaguely remember an old video (90% sure it was TPR, maybe not though) of some fairly obscure older wooden coaster. Great ride, but the big thing mentioned in the video and description was that ride ops were able to load and dispatch a train in around 14 seconds. Any help here, perhaps the video itself or at least what coaster it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyano Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Park management takes everything into consideration, capacity, ride experience, ect, i'm pretty certain the park knows the capacity and how much Mystic Timbers can do an hour, since KI is a very popular park in the summer time, I'm almost certain this thing will have great capacity with a good crew. I hope the rumors of bins leaving Diamondback are true, finally they won't have the situation of operators saying okay you have 30 seconds and people are busy messing with the bins and the 3rd train ends up stacking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njcoasterguy34 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 ^I don't have any numbers but I don't see Diamondback coming anywhere remotely close to 1500 an hour since the addition of seatbelts. And Banshee is good, but they'd have to do 54 trains in an hour to get 1700, which I'd guess has happened maybe once in three years. See my post above this one. It is very possible at Banshee. Everything has to be running very smoothly. From the entrance to the separator to the bar checkers to the exit. As soon as the train stops, the bar checkers need to be in that train opening the seats, and ushering guests out and in. Some may have notices the lift has several speeds. If we can get a train out of the station right at 20 seconds after the scream it will literally crawl up the lift. I say this all the time. The longer the train is on the lift, the longer we have in the station to check seats. I am very proud of the work the Banshee crews have done. In 2017 I am hoping to be placed at Mystic, but will still be happy if I am placed at Banshee again. Maybe do a season at Mystic then go back to Banshee. Absolutely, I saw your post in the "favorite ride to operate" thread. Really interesting stuff, thanks for that. But the reality is that the majority of the time, you're not sending out 53 trains in an hour. You don't determine an average capacity based on what the ride could theoretically do that's really only been done for one hour in a ride's debut year. In most cases, I'd assume sending out somewhere closer to 45 trains in an hour (just a rough estimate), which is still really good. It's just not fair to say that Mystic Timbers' line will move 50% faster than Prowler's because Banshee's crew hit theoretical capacity once. It's just not gonna happen all the time, though I'm sure Mystic will be a little more efficient than Prowler--just not 15 trains an hour faster. Speaking of high capacity, I vaguely remember an old video (90% sure it was TPR, maybe not though) of some fairly obscure older wooden coaster. Great ride, but the big thing mentioned in the video and description was that ride ops were able to load and dispatch a train in around 14 seconds. Any help here, perhaps the video itself or at least what coaster it was? It was probably Phoenix at Knoebels. They tend dispatch trains within 20 seconds of the train arriving in the station. It may be a little longer now that they have air gates in the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 The air gates haven't really changed anything. Since they just have buzzbars and no seatbelts it takes them no time at all to send the train. As far as Mystic Timbers goes, I'm sure capacity will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricUncleSam Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 ^I don't have any numbers but I don't see Diamondback coming anywhere remotely close to 1500 an hour since the addition of seatbelts. And Banshee is good, but they'd have to do 54 trains in an hour to get 1700, which I'd guess has happened maybe once in three years. See my post above this one. It is very possible at Banshee. Everything has to be running very smoothly. From the entrance to the separator to the bar checkers to the exit. As soon as the train stops, the bar checkers need to be in that train opening the seats, and ushering guests out and in. Some may have notices the lift has several speeds. If we can get a train out of the station right at 20 seconds after the scream it will literally crawl up the lift. I say this all the time. The longer the train is on the lift, the longer we have in the station to check seats. I am very proud of the work the Banshee crews have done. In 2017 I am hoping to be placed at Mystic, but will still be happy if I am placed at Banshee again. Maybe do a season at Mystic then go back to Banshee. Absolutely, I saw your post in the "favorite ride to operate" thread. Really interesting stuff, thanks for that. But the reality is that the majority of the time, you're not sending out 53 trains in an hour. You don't determine an average capacity based on what the ride could theoretically do that's really only been done for one hour in a ride's debut year. In most cases, I'd assume sending out somewhere closer to 45 trains in an hour (just a rough estimate), which is still really good. It's just not fair to say that Mystic Timbers' line will move 50% faster than Prowler's because Banshee's crew hit theoretical capacity once. It's just not gonna happen all the time, though I'm sure Mystic will be a little more efficient than Prowler--just not 15 trains an hour faster. Speaking of high capacity, I vaguely remember an old video (90% sure it was TPR, maybe not though) of some fairly obscure older wooden coaster. Great ride, but the big thing mentioned in the video and description was that ride ops were able to load and dispatch a train in around 14 seconds. Any help here, perhaps the video itself or at least what coaster it was? It was probably Phoenix at Knoebels. They tend dispatch trains within 20 seconds of the train arriving in the station. It may be a little longer now that they have air gates in the station. Maybe. But if I remember right, the ride used old fashioned open-front style trains. You know, what GCI bases their design off of. I'm just the kind of person that's going to slowly be driven insane by the fact that I can't remember something seemingly simple and memorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamico2 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 ^There is definitely a TPR video of the Phoenix crew demonstrating a 20 second dispatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT325 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 It would help if they went without seatbelts... but Cedar Fair likes their extra seat belts as does GCI. The good thing is they have the ability to run a tight coaster operation. I can only think of one GCI coaster with no seatbelts, Wodan at Europa Park. It runs 3 trains, like Mystic Timbers will. Maybe an unload platform will be in that shed. teehee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricUncleSam Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 ^There is definitely a TPR video of the Phoenix crew demonstrating a 20 second dispatch. Mind dropping a link here? I'm a lazy sack of shitake in that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 It's at the end of this video. This is a pretty average dispatch time for Phoenix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Regarding other plans, he said, Cedar Fair will still build thrill rides like a new wooden coaster that will make its debut at Kings Island near Cincinnati this spring and will create more “techtainment” — the marriage of attractions and video-game technology. http://www.toledoblade.com/Retail/2016/12/07/Cedar-Fair-chief-Matt-Oiumet-talks-future-of-fun.html Don't. You. Dare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenban Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Regarding other plans, he said, Cedar Fair will still build thrill rides like a new wooden coaster that will make its debut at Kings Island near Cincinnati this spring and will create more “techtainment” — the marriage of attractions and video-game technology. http://www.toledoblade.com/Retail/2016/12/07/Cedar-Fair-chief-Matt-Oiumet-talks-future-of-fun.html Don't. You. Dare. Personally I still think the "shed" is going to be either screens or projectors. WIth the video being done by Triotech. My guess is that it will be random so it is different every ride in some way. The themeing is a saw mill which appears to be getting overrun by plants, which could make for an interesting ending to the ride. My hope is that they do not try something crazy and it is interactive using motion tracking, I just cannot see that turning out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Personally I still think the "shed" is going to be either screens or projectors. WIth the video being done by Triotech. My guess is that it will be random so it is different every ride in some way. The themeing is a saw mill which appears to be getting overrun by plants, which could make for an interesting ending to the ride. I sincerely hope you're right, Ken. I now fear that this is some type of loading/unloading station related to capacity issues with VR. Also, Irony is when your wooden coaster is themed to a saw mill and when you're log flume is themed to a race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytterbiumanalyst Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Holy crap. I had heard legendary things about Knoebels dispatches, but I had expected it was a bunch of people hustling as fast as possible. Nope, they're hitting 20 seconds without even trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Farmer Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Personally I still think the "shed" is going to be either screens or projectors. WIth the video being done by Triotech. My guess is that it will be random so it is different every ride in some way. The themeing is a saw mill which appears to be getting overrun by plants, which could make for an interesting ending to the ride. I sincerely hope you're right, Ken. I now fear that this is some type of loading/unloading station related to capacity issues with VR. Also, Irony is when your wooden coaster is themed to a saw mill and when you're log flume is themed to a race. Oh Lordy. Now that you bring it up, it would seem so obvious. My mind, I guess, refused to consider this awful possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 The article referenced capacity being the main issue with VR, which makes me feel even more uneasy about it. What's in the shed might be scarier than we thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytterbiumanalyst Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 The article referenced capacity being the main issue with VR, which makes me feel even more uneasy about it. What's in the shed might be scarier than we thought... It'll be a VR POV of the new Mean Streak. Mystic Timbers is really just an elaborate advertisement for Cedar Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Hmmmmm. That makes me think that Worlds of Fun may be better off putting VR on all of their coasters representing Cedar Point's roller coasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricUncleSam Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 It's at the end of this video. This is a pretty average dispatch time for Phoenix. Jeezum Crow, they're not even rushing it. Makes me wonder how fast they could really get it out over there. It would take some running around and some really cooperative enthusiasts, but I think 15 seconds is realistic under the right conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njcoasterguy34 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I think it helps that they don't have bins. They just let you leave your bags on the exit side of the platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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