stricklandCC Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 ^ There are now 2 vertical supports for the seats as opposed to the previous design's 4. I would think to keep things nearly equal they would have to beef up the new style chassis. I doubt that the new restraints dictated the new chassis design. Either way, I'm kind of a fan of the new train/restraint design for the inverts. Hopefully get to try it out someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 ^Well, the new restrains do take up more space (laterally) as they are pretty wide, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondbacker27 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 There are 2 sets of stairs, can this mean FastLane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster1227 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 ^Most likely, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonsaiisuperstar Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 What are those lines under the coaster supports. it looks like they have plastic bags on the footers for the concrete to cure. Did they bury wiring along these lines and cover with cement?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI Kidd Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Pretty sure they are the electric lines running to the heaters that are currently on the footers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 From KI's facebook: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike541x Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Still can't get over how awesome those trains look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. M Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Another thing that slightly bothers me about the trains: The angle of the seats is way more reclined, also like on the wing coasters. That's one of the things that bothered me about GateKeeper, I felt more "embedded" in the train and it took me a little more out of the experience. Instead of feeling perched on my seat, I felt sunken into it, which also added to the "smothery-ness" of the restraints. Compare to Batman's trains: Whether or not you think it's an improvement, it certainly does change the ride experience. I wonder what the thinking was behind that particular design decision, like why do they think that would be better? Of course, it might not adversely affect an inverted coaster as much, we'll have to wait and see. As far as just sitting in them, not moving, as long as the restraints don't get too tight, that certainly does look like the most comfortable roller coaster seat one could imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 ^I also think the angle of the seats does make a difference. Sitting straight, for some reason, gives a more evolving experience. That's one thing I don't like about B&M's hyper trains, even though I find the restraints great and super comfy. I also feel that, in general, trains which use OTSR tend to have a more vertical seating configuration as opposed to most lap bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerstlaueringvar Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Maybe it could some how be surprising on an Invert? Just wait and see. By the way, I mostly don't like the seat angle being too much like those hypers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBrylczyk Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 You bring up a good point about the angle of the seats. At this point I'm pretty sure B&M is focusing more on making armchairs than rollercoasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterlover420 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 At this point I'm pretty sure B&M is focusing more on making armchairs than rollercoasters. An armchair would be a more thrilling experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerstlaueringvar Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Great, now B&M is competing with IKEA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillrider Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Wow...some of you guys complain about the silliest things. I never thought that I would hear someone complain that a coaster seat was comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Wow...some of you guys complain about the silliest things. I never thought that I would hear someone complain that a coaster seat was comfortable. All aboard the B&M hate train... Y'know, all of this complaining just re-affirms how important B&M is to the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 ^I love B&M and when I complain is because I want them to be perfect, so maybe, in fact, many who are complaining don't hate B&M at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerstlaueringvar Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 ^I love B&M and when I complain is because I want them to be perfect, so maybe, in fact, many who are complaining don't hate B&M at all. Or just don't want huge coasters only looks bigger than what it actually is? Complaining about B&M is because B&M is kind of taking over Intamin on huge coasters nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 ^Are they? Intamin is still holding the main records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. M Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Wow...some of you guys complain about the silliest things. I never thought that I would hear someone complain that a coaster seat was comfortable. All aboard the B&M hate train... Y'know, all of this complaining just re-affirms how important B&M is to the industry. I'm not sure I follow. To me it just reaffirms how they make many coasters that some people don't particularly like. There is such a thing as bandwagon-hopping, but there's also such a thing as genuine dislike, due to taste, which is ok because everyone's tastes are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerstlaueringvar Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 ^Are they? Intamin is still holding the main records. That's for sure, Intamin is not something that B&M can easily catch up with. I'm just afraid that more coasters like GK will exist. Since B&M used to make great coasters 20 years ago, I just hope they don't try to disappoint me again and again. (FOTR is good, but Chimelong certainly could do better) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 ^It looks like quite a few new B&Ms in China are better than other new ones, so the question is: Is it really B&M who has stopped making great rides or is it the parks which, right now, only seem to want forceless rides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerstlaueringvar Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 ^It looks like quite a few new B&Ms in China are better than other new ones, so the question is: Is it really B&M who has stopped making great rides or is it the parks which, right now, only seem to want forceless rides? FOTR is good, but nothing close to those old school B&M's even in smoothness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 ^You may be right, but what I'm saying is I doubt it is a coincidence that out of the new B&Ms, the "best" ones seem to be all in Asia: FOTR, hair raiser, starry night/sky ripper (and, according to Robb, the floorless in India was "fun" too). So probably it is the parks who decide how intense a ride is going to be as I seriously doubt that, right now, if a park contacted B&M and said they wanted a kick ass forceful and intense ride they would say: "Aaaaa...... No". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aCoasterStory Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Another thing that slightly bothers me about the trains: The angle of the seats is way more reclined, also like on the wing coasters. That's one of the things that bothered me about GateKeeper, I felt more "embedded" in the train and it took me a little more out of the experience. Instead of feeling perched on my seat, I felt sunken into it, which also added to the "smothery-ness" of the restraints. I imagine the reclined nature of the seats is what is going to allow the ride envelope to be small enough that they don't need to dig trenches at the bottom of those drops where the track looks really close to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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