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You DO NOT want the fun experience of waiting 90 minutes for Dragster just to have it go down while you are in the station.

 

I don't even know the last time we rode Dragster where we didn't have to wait through a 30ish minute breakdown in the station. I'm not even joking, it’s probably been like 5 years.

 

Wow.. so I should expect a very difference from Great Adventure? the two times i've been to Gadv, both times on a late April weekend I went straight for KK and the station was empty for the first half hour of the day at least.. I got 5 front row rides in a row just last week, most I had to wait was one train to get the front.. and we had to wait for people to fill the train up, a half hour after opening. Then went to Toro and it was running trains half full for at least an hour after opening, probably longer but I left the area.

 

I was hoping maybe by going to CP midweek in early June it would be a similar experience But I guess it's a different beast, more like Disney where there's always a minimum "crowdedness"?

 

Last year on the 3 or 4 days that I went in early June on weekdays the park wasn't all that crowded at all. Before noon Dragster was basically a walk on for the regular line. 5-10 minutes at the most. And during the last 3 hours I would say that the park was dead. Everything was no more than a 5-10 minute wait except for Steel Vengeance, which was 45-90 minutes.

 

On the days I went in early June I did very well getting on a majority of the bigger coasters before noon without FL+. If you follow this roadmap you should do pretty well... First of all get early entry access. That is key. At early entry I entered at the resort entrance. Walked, never ran towards SV. Did that, Maverick, and MF for early entry. By then early entry is over and the park has opened to the GP. I would head towards Valravn next which never had wait, and then while on Valravn I would look at Dragster and if operating I would do that next. It never had more than a 10 min wait. Then I would go to Gatekeeper which was never more than a 10-15 min wait. Then Wicked Twister with no wait. That's 7 coasters before noon. 8 if you want to make your way over to Blue Streak. It shouldn't have more than a 5-10 min wait. Then you can hit Magnum, Gemini, Corkscrew, Rougarou, Iron Dragon, Cedar Creek and any flats/water rides/ family rides. At about 5 make your way over to Raptor because the line will have calmed down, and you can do Blue Streak too if you didn't before. Then if it's anything like last year you should have minimal waits for anything you want to do until the park closes except Steel Vengeance. I would get in line for SV before the park closes it and make that the last ride of the day.

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I feel bad because this is all I post about lately but no... if a park has the ability to open and there's demand and they choose to stay closed then they're dumb. Period. Be creative and figure it ou

Did they happen to mention how heavy that train is?

So basically there were about as many rides open as there would be in peak season with 15 mph winds.

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That said, I think part of the reason for this is that Kingda Ka runs 2 load platforms and 2 unload platforms, has 5 trains on at once and probably launches at least twice as many trains per hour which gives it way more opportunity to break down. Kingda Ka runs between 2 and 3 trains and only uses one platform for both load and unload (even though they have 4) and they have to wait for the drop tower to cycle before they can launch trains.

 

Took me a second to work out the typo. I've only been to CP once in my life when I visited some friends I made in Korea and since it was crazy packed from summer vacations (this was years ago before fast lane), we only got 1-2 rides on everything over the 2 days and yeah... even I ended up on stuck in a TTD break-down on each day.

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AndrewA86 is petty much spot on from my suggested route as well as being a regular. I would usually group in Gatekeeper to the "later in the day" with Raptor. (We go on Sundays and generally call this after 3p and are usually are last rides on the way out if we don't want to go back and do any rerides). The only thing different is when it is busier I always try to make Dragster the 10:00 ride vs Valravn. Other than that, this advice is solid.

 

Option 2, if it's busier, same thing but skip SV and just deal with the line later in the day because Maverick and Millennium CAN fill up quick starting at 10 so I usually get everything else out of the way. You will still be stuck with a long line at SV but that first hour is crucial and you don't want to waste the entire first hour in that line. Oftentimes they also couldn't get SV open on time, either.

 

Option 3: Marathon Millennium Force for a full hour of early entry.

 

Good luck!

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I also want to mention that a big part of riding TTD is preparation. I don't mean the wait, the breakdowns, or the launch. You have to be ready to endure hearing a snippet of Republica's "Ready To Go" roughly 3.2 billion times while waiting in the station.

 

The song will be in your dreams afterwards.

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). The only thing different is when it is busier I always try to make Dragster the 10:00 ride vs Valravn. Other than that, this advice is solid.

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Yeah if it’s busier I would agree to make Dragster the 10:00 ride. But even on some busy days the dragster line did not get busy until after 12.

 

One day, which I believe was at the end of June, I marathoned Dragster for a whole hour before 12 with no more than a 5 min wait.

 

I think at least early in the day, Dragster benefits the most from the Steel Vengeance effect (everyone going there first, then probably Maverick). Most Everyone else from the front is going to Raptor because it’s in the front. Which leaves Dragster kind of caught in the middle. Valravn too if you get to it before 10:30. Valravn’s line was usually around 20-25 min at about 10:30. Most likely because that’s where the Raptor people go next. And Dragsters (if operating) is usually no more than 10 min. That’s why I would suggest doing Valravn at 10 and Dragster right after.

 

But if someone hasn’t been on Dragster before and they see it operating at 10 it might be a good idea to hit that then because it could break down at any moment and possibly never open back up.

 

 

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The other thing with Dragster is they sometimes only load the front few rows in the mornings. Then they will take off a chain a little later on. Then another a little later on. So they aren't loading full trains right away so capacity is down a little bit in the morning.

 

But you should be waiting for the front, regardless 8)

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Is it normal that they take away the bleachers from Luminosity in the offseason?

Combined with the hole in the fence and the cleared land from the dorms on the other side of the street it looks like clearing for something that connects both spaces.

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I imagine there will be a bridge to connect the two areas? I’m finding it difficult to imagine how a level crossing with the road would work in terms of making sure no one sneaks into the park. Not to mention hoards of people stopping traffic all day to cross over.

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This is only a guess, but I think that is temporary while they move some things in and out. I heard that the actual ride in a monster truck course is going to be on the Cedars site. You would exit through the Marina gate to get to it. Where Luminosity is they will have displays for the trucks. At least, that's what the word on the street is.

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The other thing with Dragster is they sometimes only load the front few rows in the mornings. Then they will take off a chain a little later on. Then another a little later on. So they aren't loading full trains right away so capacity is down a little bit in the morning.

 

But you should be waiting for the front, regardless 8)

 

Right, they don’t load the full train right away but as the trains warm up they add the other rows. Not sure how long they take exactly but I feel like it’s 15 min or so. The best time to get a rollback is to be on one of the first full trains.

 

In fact, the last time I witnessed a rollback my friend and I were letting people in front of us trying to get on one of the first full trains. We got on the 2nd full train and the first one in front of us rolled back. If only the grouper told us to go to the first loading station...

 

 

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Is it normal that they take away the bleachers from Luminosity in the offseason?

 

Yes, those bleachers leave every off season. That's nothing out of the ordinary.

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Cedar Point has posted some new information about Forbidden Frontier. It sort of seems like a modernized Tom Sawyer's Island on a budget.

 

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Source: Cedar Point

I don't really get this at all but I feel like there's some potential for it to exceed expectations (even though I don't think we're the target market).

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Sorry for the double post, but I have two more updates (both of which are budget cuts or signs of understaffing).

 

The following rides won't open until 11am this year:

 

Corkscrew

Flying Ace Balloon Race - Planet Snoopy

Gemini

Joe Cool's Dodgem School - Planet Snoopy

Kite Eating Tree - Planet Snoopy

Mine Ride

Peanuts Road Rally - Planet Snoopy

Power Tower

Professor Delbert's Frontier Fling

SlingShot

Snoopy's Deep Sea Divers - Planet Snoopy

Snoopy's Express Railroad - Planet Snoopy

Snoopy's Space Race - Planet Snoopy

Super Himalaya

Wicked Twister

WindSeeker

Woodstock's Whirlybirds - Planet Snoopy

 

Click on a ride, scroll down and then expand "Rides Opening at 11 AM" to see this list.

 

In addition to Windseeker, Sky Ride will also be closed for staffing during Halloweekends. It was never open anyway but in previous years they made an attempt to staff it and promoted that weird "Scareactors on the Sky Ride" thing.

 

I haven't found any other rides with that note though I fully expect them to totally give up on Antique Cars and the upcharge attractions too.

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Interesting. Makes you wonder how much is budget cuts for staffing vs the inability to hire staff. My home park VF has changed most weekday night closings this year to 9 pm closing instead of a 10 pm but this makes sense just due to overall traffic at that time but maybe it is driven by the same factors. Even though it only takes one person to operate I was surprised not to see Cedar Downs on the list.

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The 11oclock openings really don’t bother me. The coasters on that list (Corkscrew, Gemini, WT) never have long lines and nobody rushes to them first thing in the morning anyway. Power Tower also is typically dead early morning. The biggest bummer is probably Windseeker. The rest are kiddy rides and flats that nobody is going to be devastated won’t be open for the first hour. Honestly, it’s always shocked me that Cedar Point opens (nearly) full force first thing in the morning since it’s such a gigantic park, when plenty of smaller parks have had staggered openings for decades now. It just makes financial sense for a lot of parks

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Sorry for the double post, but I have two more updates (both of which are budget cuts or signs of understaffing).

 

The following rides won't open until 11am this year:

 

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Corkscrew

Gemini

Mine Ride

 

OK, at least two of these haven't opened with the park in...years?

Power Tower

Yeah, this is super cost cutty. Why not open half of it? I know it needs a lot of people...

 

Wicked Twister

 

Really?

WindSeeker

 

lololololol

 

In addition to Windseeker, Sky Ride will also be closed for staffing during Halloweekends. It was never open anyway but in previous years they made an attempt to staff it and promoted that weird "Scareactors on the Sky Ride" thing.

 

I haven't found any other rides with that note though I fully expect them to totally give up on Antique Cars and the upcharge attractions too.

 

Windseeker has turned out to be quite the ironic name, no?

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Wicked Twister is a weird one. You would think it would be more popular early in the morning than any other time of day since it's located in the front of the park but whatever. I don't personally care since I rarely ever ride it but that seems weird.

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Wicked Twister is a weird one. You would think it would be more popular early in the morning than any other time of day since it's located in the front of the park but whatever. I don't personally care since I rarely ever ride it but that seems weird.

 

I would usually ride it in the first hour if it was open and I was down that way simply because it wouldn't have a long line. Why would I wait more than 15 minutes for Wicked Twister?

 

"DERP! DONTCHA SEE THATS WHY IT ISNT OPEN NOW?"

 

Yes, imaginary heckler, you're right, rides when a park first opens have shorter lines due to the fact that it was closed before it opened and had no guests. That in turn is why everyone on here is always advised if they are planning to go to a park to go at opening. Wicked Twister probably costs a bunch of money to launch half full trains, so they think by not running it in the first hour, they can save a few thousand dollars a year in personnel, maintenance, and elecrical costs. I guess I can go jerk off in a bathroom stall while I wait for Melt to open at 11AM instead of riding anything once the gates open and guests are let loose.

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Checking out the webcams today, the Monster trucks are starting to arrive.

 

Also saw that Sky Ride was running. Good to see the park getting it ready to be mothballed til June due to staffing issues.

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Cedar Creek Mine Ride has received a new entrance sign this year for it's 50th anniversary. Looks great.

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Photo from Tony Clark on Twitter.

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